BATTLE OF BATAPUR 6 SEPTEMBER1965 -THE DEFENCE OF LAHORE

[Tipu7]

So can both Koreas fight? According to ur logic?!

Pakistan Army wouldnt play proxy wars. They were openly fighting IA, inside Indian Kashmir territory. As per other Pakistani members told themselves, an important bridge that connects Jammu to Kashmir was under attack and reinforcement will take more days to arrive. In order to divert the resources, India attacked Lahore. India understand too well, the importance of Pakistani Punjab being attacked.
We attacked, diverted your soldiers, saved Kashmir. End of it.

South - North Korea has different strategic back grounds.
Pakistan - India has different strategic back ground.
I don't find it wise to compare both ...........

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

Why do all Pakistani accounts turn amnesiacs when it comes to Operation Grand Slam where Pakistan was the one to strike the first blow? You guys attack India then foolishly expect India will not retaliate..Wars are not fought in your decided terrain - it is fought where and when you meet the enemy.

we never attacked india. we attacked kashmir a disputed territory. you attacked pakistan, lahore an internationally recognized border.

Right. Really? You say? Okay gather all staff officers above rank of brigadier and sack them. Then give them jobs as shopping mall guards or maybe, just maybe if they can cut it, bank security guards.

Launch overhul of officer training acadamies in particular staff courses. Review officer promotions above colonel rank in particular emphasis on merit based promotions.

Above all aim to nuture visionary leadership who are able to visualize further than the end of their noses.

Ps. Non of this was done. No lessons were learnt from this debacle. Fools are given to making same mistakes again and again. We saw that with General Musharaf proving his dumbness in Kargil 1999. Instead of being busted to security guard he went on to become Generalissimo and then messed up Afghanistan in 2001 from which Pakistan has still not recovered.

pakistan never expected an indian attack on lahore. the soldiers at front didn't have any anti tank weapons so when indian reached border pakistan army was waiting for weapons to reach them. indians on no reaction from pakistani border force were confused and didn't moved forward considering it a trap. this gave pakistan the time to supply weapons to the soldiers at front.
heard this story from an army officer, a war veteran on tv few years ago. i could just remember this story. i forgot the soldiers name or the program name.
in kargil war to make india more busy and help forces in kargil musharraf was given suggestions from army generals to open two more fronts in kashmir on terrain which suited pakistan more but he didn't just to ensure that the war remains limited.
2001 afghan war situation was quite different. ISI predicted US attack and we decided to help them. the whole world was with US at that time. we had to help them.

 

[Hamza913]

Operation Gibraltar and Operation Grand slam did not violate the international border..........
They were focused Operation in disputed territory and they were successful....
War of 65 start from Indian invasion on Pakistan Territory, not by increment of skirmishes in disputed Kashmir sector.

Finally someone else who understands.

So can both Koreas fight? According to ur logic?!

Yes.

The only thing is funny is how you deny the truth.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Lahore still has boards like these? In Gurumukhi and Hindi?

No.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

pakistan never expected an indian attack on lahore

What did Pakistan expect?

Pakistani Generals never learn't

a is for apple
b is for ball
c is for cat
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e is for "expect the unexpected"


Back to nursery school? Or maybe bank guard duties?

 

[jaiind]

the main motto of pak army was to invade and seize the indian part of kashmir,but they end up in defending the lahore from the hindoo baniyas!!

 

[Indus Pakistan]

hindoo baniyas!!

More probably Sikhs then Hinoo Baniyas .....

 

[third eye]

Operation Gibraltar and Operation Grand slam did not violate the international border

This thought has brought grief to Pakistan on more occasions than one. Emerson has said that consistency is a virtue of a *** ( since this word will get blocked another word for it is Donkey).

Pak leadership & Generals proved this . How else can you explain their assumption that an attack on J&K is not an attack on India ?

The first thing taught in a military school is when attacked expand / alter the war theater for two reasons - Exploit your Strengths ( and the enemy weakness) & compel the enemy to recoil by threatening a high value objective whose loss would be unacceptable to the enemy.

GHQ Pindi failed in 65, 71 & 99 on this score.

 

[jaiind]

More probably Sikhs then Hinoo Baniyas .....

couldnt you spell the world hindoo or hinoo ?

 

[f444ran]

Its a interesting read.

As for a war is concerned , we club this with GrandSlam and in the end we defended Kashmir, so we won. Pakistan start the war with Indian invasion which they repulsed, so for then they won. One word,perspective.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

hindoo

Sorry. Gangoo...

 

[livingdead]

the generals knew pretty well india was going to open other fronts....

 

[jaiind]

Sorry. Gangoo...

thats may not your mistake, but your education system is been like that by mullahs

 

[senses]

Tajammul Hussain Malik He was the only red tape Pakistani officer who did not surrender while his GOC 16 Division had surrendered and as he had been taken from the battle field unconscious he refused to undergo the surrender ceremony and it was his GOC. Major General Nazar Hussain Shah, who went through the surrender ceremony of 205 Brigade to the opposing commander Major General Lachhman Singh. He became a well known war hero in West Pakistan.

This thought has brought grief to Pakistan on more occasions than one. Emerson has said that consistency is a virtue of a *** ( since this word will get blocked another word for it is Donkey).

Pak leadership & Generals proved this . How else can you explain their assumption that an attack on J&K is not an attack on India ?

The first thing taught in a military school is when attacked expand / alter the war theater for two reasons - Exploit your Strengths ( and the enemy weakness) & compel the enemy to recoil by threatening a high value objective whose loss would be unacceptable to the enemy.

GHQ Pindi failed in 65, 71 & 99 on this score.

For it to be an attack on INDIA, it has to be part of india

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

South - North Korea has different strategic back grounds.
Pakistan - India has different strategic back ground.
I don't find it wise to compare both ...........

The other guy below me says both Koreas can fight.

However whatever maybe the strategic background, the obvious truth is, Pakistan's doing has harmed peace in 1965. U may call it disputed, proxy war, different back ground, whatever.

Our relations have sent backwards. Moreover during those days, the leaders, military officers had some affection for each oher which is not the case now