Basuki found guilty of blasphemy – Jakarta’s governor jailed

[Sully3]

surprised to see not many Indians on here championing anti Blasphemy laws like they do when its a case from Pakistan.

 

[T-Rex]

Cos Dharmic religions were pluraristic who believed that God can be reached in many ways which even allowed Islam to be propagated. Their religion was the only reason which allowed them to access Islam. Just cos they embraced Islam doesnt mean they should become insecure like the Middle east and countries on my west...

And how many Muslims are killed for that in India? Max 10 per year? or even less. I dont advocate killing nor even support it. They will be prosecuted.

What about that popular indian phrase 'their country, their laws'?

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Are you sure they are proud of their ancient Hindu / Buddhist past?



Don't post the sh!t content of your what holy book, 0 interests for us.

Case for starters... Do u know the name of their national airline? Or their symbol.? Its Garuda, an eagle, deeply associated with Hinduism. And they reconstructed a lots of Hindu and Buddhist temples.

What about that popular indian phrase 'their country, their laws'?

Show me one post where I advocated "repealing" of their Blasphemic laws? Its just the judgement based on what he had said is flawed and completely unexpected even for Indonesians.

 

[Place Of Space]

We respect our past, budhist or Hindu alike
The sh!t content that you Said is a holly book that a billion people in the world respect and cherish, show respect to it, we didn't insult you, what you Said show how low your education are

You must have brain or reading problem, where did you find I insult you. They says present muslim is full of sensitive nerve, even you incidentally touch his little belongings, it will touch all his nerves. If you are so easily be insulted, you'd better stay in door, avoiding connecting with others.

 

[Jlaw]

Aside from Budha and Hindu, Indonesia guarantees freedom of religion and recognizes other religions as mentioned in the graphic below :

*lainnya = others

Sunni Islam is the majority religion throughout most of the country. Notable exceptions include the province of Bali, which is predominantly Hindu, and the provinces of Papua, West Papua, East Nusa Tenggara, West Nusa Tenggara, West Timor, West Kalimantan, North Kalimantan, North Sulawesi and North Sumatra which are predominantly Christian.

About 86 percent of all Indonesians are Muslims; 7 percent are Christians (4.1 percent Protestant and 2.9 percent Roman Catholic); 3.3 percent are Hindu; 1.2 percent are Buddhists, Confucian and other; and 0.4 percent are unspecified.

This is how extreme Islam is in Indonesia:

According to this source, Indonesia as a nation that is far less developed than Turkey/Lebanon, actually have large number of people who are against Sharia or any sort of extremism. Imagine this in another 20 years, it will almost certainly became even more liberal. It is safe to say that vast majority of the middle-upper class are fairly open-minded, albeit occasional racism (which tend to be a joke).

I lived in Indonesia for quite some time and there was hardly any extremism of any kind I observed anywhere. For the most part, most forms of Islam and the great majority of Muslims are not even remotely extreme. Many of them regard extremism as an embarrassment to their faith, their nation, and them personally. Indonesia is a secular plural democracy which has already had a woman president. One can easily find alcohol, pork, and p0rn there, along with many Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, animists, and even a small Jewish community.

Intermarriage, dating, and friendships across religious lines are extremely common. I never experienced any prejudice or hostility towards me as a Catholic. Just the opposite, there was quite a bit of friendliness and curiosity. Muslim women sometimes approached me for dating. A group of Muslims even invited me to break fast for Ramadan, and offered me snacks while they fasted.

Regarding to Ahok's case, it is not just a normal blasphemy case there's too much politics in this case. Ahok's sentence is politically driven by corrupted elites.

Ahok also would probably be free next week on bail anyway until the High Court trial proceedings so the 2 year verdict of the National Court does not quite matter.

Actually though it matters quite little as it could be easily overturned on the High Court or at the Supreme Court, or even the Supreme Court retrial if the fight goes on till then. Although it did successfully rally the pro-Ahok supporters and moderate muslims organizations to finally stand up and gave the government the support to do a “counterattack” (so to speak) with the banning of HTI (one of the biggest group on the anti-Ahok demonstration with apparently over 100,000 members).

External support notably from the APHR,EU and UN has also poured so there’s still a big ray of hope that this is not the end.

BS. Ahok is jailed because he's a christian. Freedom of religion Lol.

Basuki's case is a politic one in the core of it. Everyone who follows Indonesian politic know that. He is targeted mainly because he is a close ally of President Jokowi and he sits as Jakarta governor which to many high elites in the country a very strategic position.

Basuki was chosen by his party Gerindra to pair with Jokowi in 2012 Jakarta govenor election as vice governor, but then he moved against his party during 2014 presidential campaign which pitted Jokowi vs Prabowo. Instead of supporting his party chairman - Prabowo, Basuki openly declare his support for Jokowi and left his party. Basuki left his fellow Gerindrans in bitter disappointment. He is accused as "traitor" by Gerindra and it's allies. Ever since they tried each and every way to bring him down. Finally, he made one mistake commenting on Koran, thus creating a door for his political enemies to attack him.

There were 100s election held simultaneously across Indonesia this year, several of them have non-muslim candidates compete against muslim candidates but only Jakarta have this problem. The same (Islamic) parties who reject Basuki on a base of his religion are found supporting non muslim candidate elsewhere, even rejecting muslim ones.

This is NOT a case of Muslim vs Christian, Muslim vs Chinese etc..

There are many muslims in Basuki's camp (his foster family is muslim and most of his supporter are in fact muslims), and on the other side, there are Chinese Christians who want to incarcerate Basuki. Among Chinese who are Basuki's "enemy" is Hary Tanoe, he owns several media in Indonesia. Months during campaign, his media relentlessly attacking Basuki while aggressively promote Basuki's rival. Other is Lieus S., chief of a Chinese Community, who at a live debate on TV about Basuki, almost had a fight with Anton Medan, a Chinese muslim supporting Basuki.

Again, this is NOT a case of Muslim vs Christian, Muslim vs Chinese etc, this is all politic.

BS

 

[Jlaw]

nah we shouldnt have any Christian staying in the country in first place, do you have mental problem?

Of course you would not want Christians in your country otherwise they wouldn't be put in jail or killed.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...lares-in-indonesia-as-mob-torches-aceh-church

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/1...uches-in-indonesia-raise-safety-concerns.html

 

[terranMarine]

Of course you would not want Christians in your country otherwise they wouldn't be put in jail or killed.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...lares-in-indonesia-as-mob-torches-aceh-church

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/1...uches-in-indonesia-raise-safety-concerns.html

Seems to me the Indons are busy driving other religions out. Lots of concern from other countries regarding the injustice sentence.

 

[Brainsucker]

nah we shouldnt have any Christian staying in the country in first place, do you have mental problem?

So you mean that Christian should not live in Indonesia? I'm surprise. Or my assumption is wrong? Is it Sarcasm? Please correct me if I'm wrong here. hopefully it just miss interpretation in my side.

 

[Jlaw]

Seems to me the Indons are busy driving other religions out. Lots of concern from other countries regarding the injustice sentence.

Yes I believe so. I can fund endless articles about their violence against other religion and race. The PDF indon are not doing justice lying for the sake of Indonesia first, everything second...