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This is not a troll thread

Please do not troll.

This is to get genuine feedback from Bangladeshis, here at the forum.

From my 1 months stay at this forum, I have seen tons of hate from Bangladeshis. In many cases, the feeling comes across as being quite intense. So I started this thread, with a couple of questions:

1. Why do Bangladeshis hate India - Is it religious? Is it political? Is it regional? Is it India's foreign policy issues? Is it an issue of national resources? What is it that turns Bangladeshis against India, cuz after all even we have our Bengalis too?

2. What does Bangladesh as a Nation, want from India, that India is not doing?

Please stay on topic and lets not get into some religious or political trolling. Its just to have better understanding about the issues, cuz Ive never paid that much of attention to Bangladesh India relations, nor do we hear about it in the media that much.
 
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I think there are multiple reasons.
We shouldn't forget that people of east Bengal were the strongest supporters of partition , much more than those in the western side. This shows a historical animosity.

Being surrounded on 3 sides by a huge country makes them insecure.

The nasty politics of Bangladesh which uses and abuses India as a savior and a boogeyman.

India's preference of one party over other which raises suspicion.

Unresolved water and land issues.

Smuggling, illegal immigration, corrupt border guArds on both sides. Lack of will and resources to handle the issues in a civilized manner.

Religion

Above all, being a Pak forum, Anti indiannes is encouraged an nurtured here. It hardly represents general psyche of Bangladeshis. Indians on the forum have also grown spiteful of BD and hate is feeding off each other resulting in mud slinging.
 
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Another joke thread meant for trolling eh? :disagree:

Anyway I will repeat one of my early post of BD Q/A thread and hope this will suffice since most Indians are either arrogant or intentionally ignorant. But i guess their arrogance tops ignorance. Anyway here it is, some tip of the ice berg reasons for historical & political discontent with balant Indian hegemonistic and imperial agenda regarding BD after 71. I didn't include pre-71 era :


Why do Bangladeshis hate India?

Ans: Except for some awamiligue supporters , majority Bangladeshis hate India now and the fault lies with India. Many who saw pre-71 era don’t think India as a liberator but they are a minority but then again majority of younger population today don’t see India as a liberator either but understand that India’s intervention in 71 was for her own strategic interest and that BD would have gained independence without any Indian intervention. Now major reasons for hating/ having serious suspisions of India’s agenda:

1) Just after BD’s formation , the indira-mujib 25 year so called friendship treaty was signed in 1972 which made Bangladesh a vassal state worse than Butan and allowed rampant Indian interference in our forgien and political affairs making the Sk.Mujib regime literally helpless. The 12 articles of the treaty sealed the fate of BD as a vassal state. Some major points of the article states that-

Article 4 practically eliminated Bangladesh's power to devise an independent foreign policy and made it compulsory for Bangladesh to consult India about any major foreign policy matter.

Article 5 forced Bangladesh to confer most favored nation status on India to clear the way for India to capture Bangladesh's economic market without any restrictions, but Bangladesh being a smaller economy was unable to avail itself of the opportunities of most favored nation status.

Article 8 ensured that if there was a military conflict between Bangladesh and India, Bangladesh, as a weaker power, could not seek help from outside world to protect its territorial integrity.

Article 9 was included to protect India's strategic interest in its insurgency infested North Eastern states by imposing restrictions on Bangladesh to provide help and support to the insurgents, but India itself broke the sanctity of this clause by providing military and political assistance to Shanti Bahini in Chittagong Hill Tracts.

Article 10 restricted Bangladesh's power to sign a defense deal with a third party to improve its armed forces.

Indo-Bangla Relation: A Strategic Analysis
Indo-Bangladeshi Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation and Peace - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2)Before the 25 year long “friendship” treaty, India forced the exiled Mujibnagar gov under tazuddin ahmed to agree to 7 conditions under which India would help the Mukti Bahini. This 7 points were later officially framed into 25 year friendship treaty after BD’s independence:

Bangladesh government will select only those people for administrative posts who have actively participated in the liberation war and any shortfall therein will be filled by the Indian government officials.

A joint force will be formed comprising of the Indian army and the Mukti Bahini and this force will be placed under the command of the chief of staff of the Indian army who will lead the liberation war.

Bangladesh will have no standing army

India will help raise a paramilitary force to protect the internal law and order of the country.

Open market will be the basis for trade relation between the two nations and this arrangement will be subject to periodical review.

The Indian army will be stationed in Bangladesh for an indefinite period of time but the time frame for their gradual withdrawal will be determined through annual meetings between the two governments.

Bangladesh will formulate its foreign policy only in consultation with India.


Indo-Bangla Relation: A Strategic Analysis

3)India’s water terrorism in farraka. Indira promised mujib in the Indo-BD joint river commission that the Farakka barrage would not be put into operation before an agreement was reached on sharing the dry season flow of the Ganges between the two countries. However BD allowed India in 1975 to test the feeder CANAL of the BARRAGE, for which 310-450 cumec of Ganges flow was diverted from Farakka over the 10-day period from 21 April to 31 May 1975. But then India unilaterally commissioned the barrage in 1975 without any agreement on sharing until 1996 when India signed the 30 year long sharing treaty with newly formed Dalal BAL regime. Even after that India don’t respect this treaty and withdraw massive amount of water in the dry season that has turned our northern side into barren desert.

Farakka Barrage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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4)Indira didn’t wanted Shiek mujib to make BD a member of the OIC as it considered BD a private property of India. But ShieK mujib took a bold step and went to the OIC metting to which Indira was very much angry.

5)India backed the 72-75 regime that utterly failed in governance with rampant corruption and misgovernance resulting in a massive famine in 74. With the implemention of 1 party rule (bakshal) rein of terror started in BD where India backed the Rakhi Bahini that it wanted to replace the BD army with. Rakhi bahini was renowned for political killings and loot & massacre. They were allowed to commit rampant atrocities on the BD populace.

Jatiyo Rakkhi Bahini - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


6)All the above reasons lead to political change in 75 with the sepahi janata beplov ( a joint revolution by the army and the masses). For this India became very angry and wanted to teach Bangladesh a lesson. SO they started to arm the Shanti bahini and CHT insurgency starting their state sponsor of terrorism in BD responsible for the death of 1000s of Bengali settlers and 1000s of our armed forces.

Indian Intelligence Involvement In Chittagong Hill Tracts of Bangladesh
Bangladeshi Insurgents Say India Is Supporting Them - NYTimes.com
India backed Shanti Bahini, Burmese rebels: book | Bangladesh | bdnews24.com

7)Just when our army was about to crush this CHT insurgents for good, BAL along with India came up with the 1997 peace accord granting immunity to the shanty Bahini terrorist like Shuntu larma ( a first of its kind non-sense in the world which pardons an anti-state traitor separist)

8)India’s backing of Awamileague and intervening in BD politics on their behalf. India’s involvement in the heavily rigged 2008 election is a open secret now .

India and Bangladesh: Embraceable you | The Economist
Bangladesh
Politics in Bangladesh: Banged about | The Economist

9)India’s tipai dam project and teesta water sharing treaty shows the arrogance by which is it treating BD violating all International laws on water sharing with downstream countries.

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Teesta flows in thin
Steep decline in Teesta water flow


10)India wants free corridor via our country by the backing of their Dalal regime. This is a major point of hatred towards India by Bangladeshis. The agreement BAL signed with India after 2008 has not been presented in the parliament as per constitution making it obvious that these dalal regime is trying to hide something.

http://www.sydneybashi-bangla.com/A...mic adviser to the prime minister April11.pdf
‘Bangladesh needs to invest $7 bn in transit facilities’ - Thaindian News

This corridor will not only pose a security risk but also will allow Indians to do more dadagiri with BD.

11)Majority of the people in BD believe (for obvious reasons ) that India was directly involved in 2009 pilkhanna massacre that resulted in the loss of life of 57 of our patriotic army officers and destruction of an efficient institution like BDR. Afterall India always wanted a weaker BD army and they even wanted BD to not have a standing army just after independence.

12) Almost daily killings of Innocent citizens at the border while their BSF support smuggling of illegal drugs (cocaine, heroine) into BD. The killing of filani has a everlasting hatred on the heart and minds of Bangladeshis towards India.

13) Propaganda by Indians with made up myths such "islamic" extremism & illegal migrants ( lets face who in their right mind will go to India) etc.[/QUOTE]
http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangladesh-defence/209563-q-about-bangladesh-8.html
 
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How many more such threads. Some bangladeshis hate us and some like us. Bangladeshi membership here is too small to get any sense of general feeling there.
 
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how does it concern us? do we really care who are they or do you look up to them as a country of people who can be be trusted upon?

and couple of BDs in this thread, better just ignore them and make them feel that they really dont exist for rest of the world including India!
 
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india's foreign policy is based on Arthashastra, which teaches india to befriend far away countries and attack its non-hindu neighbors.

Bangladesh knows this, so of course they don't like india!
 
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You guys aren't gonna be loved by everyone, take a chill pill and move on. :cool:
 
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This is not a troll thread

Please do not troll.

This is to get genuine feedback from Bangladeshis, here at the forum.

From my 1 months stay at this forum, I have seen tons of hate from Bangladeshis. In many cases, the feeling comes across as being quite intense. So I started this thread, with a couple of questions:

1. Why do Bangladeshis hate India - Is it religious? Is it political? Is it regional? Is it India's foreign policy issues? Is it an issue of national resources? What is it that turns Bangladeshis against India, cuz after all even we have our Bengalis too?

2. What does Bangladesh as a Nation, want from India, that India is not doing?

Please stay on topic and lets not get into some religious or political trolling. Its just to have better understanding about the issues, cuz Ive never paid that much of attention to Bangladesh India relations, nor do we hear about it in the media that much.

Buddy except hardcore jamati terrorist no one have issue with India...

Just enjoy your stay ....

Bangladesh section is more like joke section at PDF...
 
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Buddy except hardcore jamati terrorist no one have issue with India...
Just enjoy your stay ....
Bangladesh section is more like joke section at PDF...
"Dark humor" is a much better term :D

I don't see any public outcry and processions in streets of BD every other day against India. it explains a lot. Their media don't complain that much too. Only protest we see is against killing of illegally entering BD people and other mishaps.
 
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This is not a troll thread

Please do not troll.

This is to get genuine feedback from Bangladeshis, here at the forum.

From my 1 months stay at this forum, I have seen tons of hate from Bangladeshis. In many cases, the feeling comes across as being quite intense. So I started this thread, with a couple of questions:

1. Why do Bangladeshis hate India - Is it religious? Is it political? Is it regional? Is it India's foreign policy issues? Is it an issue of national resources? What is it that turns Bangladeshis against India, cuz after all even we have our Bengalis too?

2. What does Bangladesh as a Nation, want from India, that India is not doing?

Please stay on topic and lets not get into some religious or political trolling. Its just to have better understanding about the issues, cuz Ive never paid that much of attention to Bangladesh India relations, nor do we hear about it in the media that much.

Are you really so utterly stupid and naive as to believe that this would not become a troll thread, infested by the kind of imbecile that claims to stand for Bangladesh opinion? Or were you deliberately looking for some sensationalism to brighten up your day?
 
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Are you really so utterly stupid and naive as to believe that this would not become a troll thread, infested by the kind of imbecile that claims to stand for Bangladesh opinion? Or were you deliberately looking for some sensationalism to brighten up your day?

I ACTUALLY wanted to know bro :D Just wanted to know why people would be pissed off at India/Indians, if we helped create the country. But that long power of Luffy has to be analyzed.
 
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Bangladeshi's in this forum donot even represent 1% of general bangladeshi's psyche...and most of them don't even live in bangladesh...
 
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Look guys no trolling. just read lufty 's post in here and the thread opener also showed some points, we don't have any personal issues with you lot, please understand that. India had the the opportunity & blew it. If you have questions please go to the Q/A thread in BD sub-forum.

Those issue's might be a joke to you but not to us.


Thanks.
 
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Article 4: The contracting parties shall maintain regular contacts and exchange views with each other on major international problems affecting the interest of both the states

Article 4 says, "affecting the interest of both states". How did this stop Bangladesh from pursuing her own foreign policy?

Article 5 forced Bangladesh to confer most favored nation status on India to clear the way for India to capture Bangladesh's economic market without any restrictions, but Bangladesh being a smaller economy was unable to avail itself of the opportunities of most favored nation status.

India was already socialist back then. So it was not just to Bangladesh, but even to the US that our economy was closed. We even threw Coca cola out.

Article 8 ensured that if there was a military conflict between Bangladesh and India, Bangladesh, as a weaker power, could not seek help from outside world to protect its territorial integrity.

(viii) In accordance with the ties of friendship existing between the two countries, each of the contracting parties solemnly declare that it shall not enter into or participate in any military alliance directed against the other party. Each of the parties shall refrain from any aggression against the other party and shall not allow the use of its territory for committing any act that may cause military damage to or continue to threat to the security of the other contracting parties;

That is article 8. That article was binding on India too. It does not talk about war between India and Bangladesh. Why would you want war with India in the first place? Thats whythe treaty was signed in the first place to promote peace and cooperation? I dont get you. You mean that India should allow Bangladesh to seek "outside help", TO FIGHT INDIA!!!! and the fact that this clause prevented that is UNREASONABLE?!!! :rofl:

Article 9 was included to protect India's strategic interest in its insurgency infested North Eastern states by imposing restrictions on Bangladesh to provide help and support to the insurgents, but India itself broke the sanctity of this clause by providing military and political assistance to Shanti Bahini in Chittagong Hill Tracts.

This is an accusation by Bangladesh. Where is the proof?

(x) Each of the parties solemnly declare that it shall not undertake any commitment, secret or open, towards one or more states which may be incompatible with the present treaty;

That is article 10. This is totally reasonable. What if BD went and signed a defense deal with China? Even so I guess a lot of your weapons is from China. BTW, if you found this offensive, why did you sign it?

Bangladesh government will select only those people for administrative posts who have actively participated in the liberation war and any shortfall therein will be filled by the Indian government officials.

A joint force will be formed comprising of the Indian army and the Mukti Bahini and this force will be placed under the command of the chief of staff of the Indian army who will lead the liberation war.

Bangladesh will have no standing army

India will help raise a paramilitary force to protect the internal law and order of the country.

Open market will be the basis for trade relation between the two nations and this arrangement will be subject to periodical review.

The Indian army will be stationed in Bangladesh for an indefinite period of time but the time frame for their gradual withdrawal will be determined through annual meetings between the two governments.

Bangladesh will formulate its foreign policy only in consultation with India.

Source for this? Although this is infringing upon BD's sovereignty, why did you guys agree? Because you had to get freedom and only India could help. Anyway, I dont think this is the case with BD today, so I see no issues why you have a problem about THIS with India TODAY.


3)India’s water terrorism in farraka

I agree this is probably India's mistake. This should definitely be sorted.

5)India backed the 72-75 regime that utterly failed in governance with rampant corruption and misgovernance resulting in a massive famine in 74. With the implemention of 1 party rule (bakshal) rein of terror started in BD where India backed the Rakhi Bahini that it wanted to replace the BD army with. Rakhi bahini was renowned for political killings and loot & massacre. They were allowed to commit rampant atrocities on the BD populace.

This is an unfair accusation. Failure of Mujib was not India's doing. It was his doing. HE was inefficient. BTW read that article. It was Mujib's mistake that he treated the army officers bad and then it was they that committed the crimes. Infact those Rakhi Bahini dudes were actually ANTI-INDIA, so saying that India actually favored them is an absolute lie. Plus those guys supported religious extremism, what do you know.


8)India’s backing of Awamileague and intervening in BD politics on their behalf. India’s involvement in the heavily rigged 2008 election is a open secret now .

NOT much noticed by outsiders, long-troubled ties between two neighbours sharing a long border have taken a substantial lurch for the better. Ever since 2008, when the Awami League, helped by bags of Indian cash and advice, triumphed in general elections in Bangladesh, relations with India have blossomed. To Indian delight, Bangladesh has cracked down on extremists with ties to Pakistan or India's home-grown terrorist group, the Indian Mujahideen, as well as on vociferous Islamist (and anti-Indian) politicians in the country. India feels that bit safer.

I dont think that was a bad move by India at all. Apart from the fact that they intervened in BD. But for our national security, anti-India forces have to be eliminated. That is something that was pulling you guys down too.


12) Almost daily killings of Innocent citizens at the border while their BSF support smuggling of illegal drugs (cocaine, heroine) into BD. The killing of filani has a everlasting hatred on the heart and minds of Bangladeshis towards India.

I agree there are corrupt border forces.

13) Propaganda by Indians with made up myths such "islamic" extremism & illegal migrants ( lets face who in their right mind will go to India) etc

I call bull on that one. Extremism from Bangladesh is very much real. Harkatul Jihad-al Islami is one such group.

I guess after all it comes down to this. India has a few mistakes on its sides, but not EVERYTHING. You have simply been brainwashed to believe that all of this is India's doing.

Being surrounded on 3 sides by a huge country makes them insecure.

The nasty politics of Bangladesh which uses and abuses India as a savior and a boogeyman.

India's preference of one party over other which raises suspicion.

Unresolved water and land issues.

Smuggling, illegal immigration, corrupt border guArds on both sides. Lack of will and resources to handle the issues in a civilized manner.

Religion

Check this link too:

Why Bangladesh hates India
 
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1. The first problem is that the Indians are liars from the top to the bottom. From their Prez to PM/MMS to the chaprasi we have experience of all of them telling lies.

2. Indians are the most boastful and annoying people on earth. They will claim to be what they are not. They will show off most vulgarly.

3. Militarily they are weak in the sense that they are professionally incompetent, lack concepts, are slow and lethargic. Although they should know they dare not challenge us, they are all the time behaving big brotherly.

4. They are quite a boring specie.

5. In BD Indian people and goods - in fact anything Indian is disliked.
 
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