Bangladesh wants to sign CEPA with India in a year

[Bilal9]

Bangladesh is India’s biggest trade partner in South Asia and India is the second biggest trade partner of Bangladesh. Bilateral trade between India and Bangladesh has grown steadily over the last decade and the exports of Bangladesh have tripled over the last decade to cross $1 bn in 2018-19. In the FY 2019-20, India’s exports to Bangladesh were $8.2 bn and imports were $1.26 bn. Meetings of various institutional mechanisms to promote bilateral trade include that of Secretary level meetings of Commerce and shipping ministries, LCS/ICP infrastructure and establishment of Indian Economic Zone etc. In order to promote cooperation on bilateral trade, an India-Bangladesh CEO’s Forum was launched in December 2020 to provide policy level inputs in various areas of trade and investment and also to facilitate exchanges among the business communities of both the countries. The first meeting of the India-Bangladesh Textile Industry Forum was held in February 2020 to enhance linkages and collaboration in the textile sector.

https://mea.gov.in/Portal/ForeignRelation/India_Bangladesh_MAR2021.pdf

 

[Bilal9]

Where you got this from?

Your MEA people including former defense minister, FM and all other ministers making trips to Dhaka almost every month asking for selling India stuff or trade concessions.

Your local HC Doraiswami asking for "darshan" with our PM and her not giving him the time-of-day.

Your economy being in the broken-knee scenario since covid and having Bangladesh as the only viable trading spot.

Your financial rags coming over here asking for favorable opinions from our opinion leaders, trade body heads etc. etc. etc.

Bangladesh-India bilateral trade was $9.5 billion in FY2017-18: FBCCI president Sheikh Fazle Fahim

The trade between the two countries can increase through investments in green field projects, Fahim said.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

 

[HydraChess]

Your street-$hitter govt. can't sell its garbage to anyone else....

Modi's Bharat is a 3rd world entity and sliding even farther backward. Bangladesh per capita GDP nominal is higher than India. India is officially poorer than us in Bangladesh. Capisch??

Quick question, did you deflate your GDP for inflation or not?

BTW, who taught you this : "Having marginally higher nominal gdp means richer"?

Rich and Poor is measured in terms of wealth. And there is this neat Global Wealth Report from Credit Suisse (https://www.credit-suisse.com/media.../publications/global-wealth-databook-2021.pdf) :

BD Wealth per adult mean : USD 1,065
BD Wealth per adult median : USD 468

IN Wealth per adult mean : USD 2,643
IN Wealth per adult median : USD 795

So now who is poorer?

But keep up the GDP and lets meet in 10 years! Capisch?

Your MEA people including former defense minister, FM and all other ministers making trips to Dhaka almost every month asking for selling India stuff or trade concessions.

And how do you know what they discussed? And source of that?

Your local HC Doraiswami asking for "darshan" with our PM and her not giving him the time-of-day.

And source of that?

Your economy being in the broken-knee scenario since covid and having Bangladesh as the only viable trading spot.

You do know that India just concluded a FTA with Australia. How many do you folks have? Besides your LDC status that is?

Your financial rags coming over here asking for favorable opinions from our opinion leaders, trade body heads etc. etc. etc.

Bangladesh-India bilateral trade was $9.5 billion in FY2017-18: FBCCI president Sheikh Fazle Fahim

The trade between the two countries can increase through investments in green field projects, Fahim said.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

You do know that the article you linked has FBCCI president suggesting increase in trade through green field projects. I am yet to see any "begging" by any one from India. All I see are BD ministers and industry people suggesting FTA with India. Which is fine! Trade is good. But where do see the begging by Indian leaders?

 

[HydraChess]

Bangladesh is India’s biggest trade partner in South Asia and India is the second biggest trade partner of Bangladesh.

*Ahem* SOUTH ASIA!

BD is India's biggest trade partner in SOUTH ASIA! Which is EXPECTED! BD is second biggest economy in south Asia. Jeez!

India on the other hand is BD's second biggest trade partner world wide.

Kapish?

 

[pikkuboss]

@jamahir bhai what semiconductor chip does India make commercially? This guy is claiming that chips produced by maybe dozens or hundreds in batches for bespoke defence use makes India a semiconductor superpower.

Are there commercial FABs in India even? Nand/Nor DDR chip production? Maybe they don't teach this yet in Shakha textbooks....

Another newly hatched pujari come here to extoll the Mahaan Nature of Modi's bharat. This was discussed ad-infinitum back in the day. Indian govt. offered 1 Billion to chipmakers to come to India. Nobody gave a $hit. Read it and weep.

Government to provide $1 billion to every chip maker who sets up manufacturing unit in India.

Sorry but this group at IIT-Madras is not being truth about the project being "fully indigenous". This series of processors called Shakti is simply the group's implementation of the international, open source project RISC-V. Many other people in the world are doing it. No great shakes. It...

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Intel is entering India through Tower Semiconductor of Israel. At final stage of negotiations.

In tight race, Karnataka close to plucking ISMC’s $3 billion semiconductor fab - ET Telecom

ISMC Digital Fab, one of the three applicants for the Centre's $10-billion incentive package for semiconductor manufacturing, has an initial agreement to invest $3 billion for a factory in the Dholera Investment Region of Gujarat, but has been sharpening focus on Karnataka in view of an...

telecom.economictimes.indiatimes.com

States are fighting among themselves over who will take the Pie.

*Ahem* SOUTH ASIA!

BD is India's biggest trade partner in SOUTH ASIA! Which is EXPECTED! BD is second biggest economy in south Asia. Jeez!

India on the other hand is BD's second biggest trade partner world wide.

Kapish?

BD is the only stable country in South Asia after India so its expected. All other countries Pakistan, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, Myanmar are Fked up. PM Hasina is very smart to never anger India which keeps BD stable as a country and economy.

 

[jamahir]

@jamahir bhai what semiconductor chip does India make commercially? This guy is claiming that chips produced by maybe dozens or hundreds in batches for bespoke defence use makes India a semiconductor superpower.

Are there commercial FABs in India even? Nand/Nor DDR chip production? Maybe they don't teach this yet in Shakha textbooks....

@HydraChess, about current situation Bilal bhai is very right. SCL is not a commercial, mass scale fab which you too know.

Also, HydraChess ( and Bilal bhai ), Bangladesh can also set up a pilot plant for processor fabrication but the fabrication method therein need not be the traditional form of lithograhpy whose machinery is produced by the Dutch company ASML. China is especially interested in graphene chips because of Western sanctions prohibiting ASML from supplying processor lithography machines to China. Graphene chip production must be quite different and locally realizable because of which China is exploring the idea. Then I also have read mention of diamond-based electronics but I don't know how such a circuit is produced. And then there is the modern nanometric bringing back of the concept of vacuum tube electronics which NASA was researching as of 2014 because a processor made of vacuum tube gates is said to be inherently resilient to space radiation and can switch at 460 GHz ! Now SCL produces MEMS electronics and NASA's prototype is supposed to be produced through MEMS production method so SCL can use its expertise in MEMS to obtain funding to set up a mass production plant. And there is no reason why Bangladesh cannot set up a pilot plant to explore this because also such a processor would be unique.

Intel is entering India through Tower Semiconductor of Israel. At final stage of negotiations.

In tight race, Karnataka close to plucking ISMC’s $3 billion semiconductor fab - ET Telecom

ISMC Digital Fab, one of the three applicants for the Centre's $10-billion incentive package for semiconductor manufacturing, has an initial agreement to invest $3 billion for a factory in the Dholera Investment Region of Gujarat, but has been sharpening focus on Karnataka in view of an...

telecom.economictimes.indiatimes.com

States are fighting among themselves over who will take the Pie.

But there is the aspect of of how small a feature size on the chips would this new plant would produce. Would it go out being the latest to adopt the experimental 2 nm feature size which has been produced by IBM or would it stick to the generally mature modern 5 nm feature size that I think Samsung and TSMC are producing ? If it is the latter then the Indian plant would need to buy newer fabrication machines to go down the nanometric scale :

Principles of lithography​

A lithography system is essentially a projection system. Light is projected through a blueprint of the pattern that will be printed (known as a ‘mask’ or ‘reticle’). The blueprint is four times larger than the intended pattern on the chip. With the pattern encoded in the light, the system’s optics shrink and focus the pattern onto a photosensitive silicon wafer. After the pattern is printed, the system moves the wafer slightly and makes another copy on the wafer.

This process is repeated until the wafer is covered in patterns, completing one layer of the wafer’s chips. To make an entire microchip, this process will be repeated 100 times or more, laying patterns on top of patterns. The size of the features to be printed varies depending on the layer, which means that different types of lithography systems are used for different layers – from our latest-generation EUV systems for the smallest features to older DUV systems for the largest.

The above text from ASML is about the regular lithography systems but what if the chip has to be produced through other methods which is describe as above in my reply to Bilal bhai ?

BD is the only stable country in South Asia after India so its expected. All other countries Pakistan, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, Myanmar are Fked up. PM Hasina is very smart to never anger India which keeps BD stable as a country and economy.

Bangladesh to me is the only sane country in South Asia. "Stable" is subject to context and perspective. I am sure if India descends into civil war the rationals and progressives in India, including progressive Muslims, will look at Bangladesh as refuge and Bangladesh will only benefit from this.

 

[HydraChess]

@HydraChess, about current situation Bilal bhai is very right. SCL is not a commercial, mass scale fab which you too know.

Where did I say "mass scale fab"?

All I said was this :

For a comparison, India manufactures chips for all its defence and space program needs indigenously at SCL Chandighar. BD does not even have that.

Thats it! Rest is being claimed and disclaimed by Bengalis. Not my fault.

I mean dilusions of Bangaladeshis are massive.
One guy in another thread is telling me Walton can manufacture LTPS-TFT LCD screens from scratch with no TFT fabrications capabilities.

I mean, its funny as hell!

BD can manufacture TFT LCD screen from scratch without even making poly-silicon ingots. HAHAHAHAHA!!

Not to mention they count Rice Cookers as "Electronics" export! LOL!

 

[HydraChess]

And there is no reason why Bangladesh cannot set up a pilot plant to explore this because also such a processor would be unique.

Its not that simple. SCL's experiences goes back to 90s. Though it is a government organization (that means the typical chai-biskut culture), there is a reason it has these capabilities: It feeds India's Defence and Space program. Bangladesh had neither so it never developed those capabilities.

Coming to large scale manufacturing of semiconductors. Lets face it. Its not going to happen in BD any time soon. Even India is a tough call. Lots of capital needed. Though a war in Taiwan strait may change things. But even then, Malaysia and Vietnam might become favoured locations. Malaysia actually already has packaging industry.

 

[pikkuboss]

But there is the aspect of of how small a feature size on the chips would this new plant would produce. Would it go out being the latest to adopt the experimental 2 nm feature size which has been produced by IBM or would it stick to the generally mature modern 5 nm feature size that I think Samsung and TSMC are producing ? If it is the latter then the Indian plant would need to buy newer fabrication machines to go down the nanometric scale :

Neither of them. They will most probably start with 28nm chipset and 65nm analog chipset for mass production mainly for cars, TVs, AC, Refrigerator, toys and other applications which will support upcoming India's electronics manufacturing boom. It won't go for sophistication. Tower semiconductor doesn't have expertise in latest 2nm-5nm chips. It's generally a partnership between Israel, India and UAE where Israel will look after research and development, Abu Dhabi will fund the project and India will manufacture it at mass scale. Kerala geographic location and availability of water was best suited for manufacturing semiconductors but Kerala isn't even in the race as expected.

 

[HydraChess]

I am sure if India descends into civil war the rationals and progressives in India, including progressive Muslims, will look at Bangladesh as refuge and Bangladesh will only benefit from this.

Unrelated to this topic but Civil war is simply not possible in India. The worst possiblty will be a large scale incarcination and disenfrenchisement of Muslims. Muslims in India are too dispersed to mount a civil war. I see more and more muslims converting to Buddhism if that happens. More practical solution to the militant Hinduism problem. Lots of Dalits are Buddhists and no administration in India can go openly against Dalits. That will be the safe haven for Muslims in India if Militant Hinduism decides to push the boat to its extreme.

 

[jamahir]

Where did I say "mass scale fab"?

All I said was this :


Thats it! Rest is being claimed and disclaimed by Bengalis. Not my fault.

OK.

I mean dilusions of Bangaladeshis are massive.
One guy in another thread is telling me Walton can manufacture LTPS-TFT LCD screens from scratch with no TFT fabrications capabilities.

I mean, its funny as hell!

BD can manufacture TFT LCD screen from scratch without even making poly-silicon ingots. HAHAHAHAHA!!

I searched for "Poly-silicon ingots" and the result was :

https://www.google.com/search?q=Wha...pzDgGHWKFCqMQ9QF6BAgVEAE#imgrc=UH8xbQnGwY-oWM
A salami-shaped bar of silicon, which is a single crystal, technically known as a "boule." The ingot is the first step in chip making. High-speed saws slice the ingot into "wafers" about the thickness of a dime, which are then ground and polished mirror smooth.

Definition of silicon ingot | PCMag​

@Bilal9 bhai, @AmiEktaKharapChele, does BD produce these or import these ?

Its not that simple. SCL's experiences goes back to 90s. Though it is a government organization (that means the typical chai-biskut culture), there is a reason it has these capabilities: It feeds India's Defence and Space program. Bangladesh had neither so it never developed those capabilities.

Coming to large scale manufacturing of semiconductors. Lets face it. Its not going to happen in BD any time soon. Even India is a tough call. Lots of capital needed. Though a war in Taiwan strait may change things. But even then, Malaysia and Vietnam might become favoured locations. Malaysia actually already has packaging industry.

About SCL, I agree it has good experience but mostly in conventional electronics. So again my point is if electronics are produced using other fabrication methods that will include newer material components then SCL's experience will have to be renewed and reconfigured.

About BD, below is a thread from a few days ago. BD too has ambition for the sector and about customer bases they can be also local and beyond electronics consumptions and since this is the age of private spacecraft development companies there is no reason for BD to not get ambitious and allow setting up of at least one small space rocket companies on the pattern of the three Indian private such companies ( Bellatrix, Skyroot and Agnikul ) or the American ones ( Relativity and Rocket Lab ) or the Chinese ones ( like i-Space ) :

Walton and ACI set to enter semiconductor manufacturing business

With some support, a slice of $600b semiconductor market can be ours After graduating from Buet in 1977, Mohammed Enayetur Rahman went to Oregon State University in the United States of America to study Electrical Engineering and Computer Science. He then joined AMD, the famous American...

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Unrelated to this topic but Civil war is simply not possible in India. The worst possiblty will be a large scale incarcination and disenfrenchisement of Muslims. Muslims in India are too dispersed to mount a civil war. I see more and more muslims converting to Buddhism if that happens. More practical solution to the militant Hinduism problem. Lots of Dalits are Buddhists and no administration in India can go openly against Dalits. That will be the safe haven for Muslims in India if Militant Hinduism decides to push the boat to its extreme.

You are right about the wide dispersal of Indian Muslims which won't allow for concentrated opposition but let me say as Muslim that especially the leftist Muslims like me won't go for conversion but choose to emigrate including because the conversion won't really change the attitude of the Hindutavadis.

Secondly, Dalits are being oppressed openly whether it be the family in Karnataka who was fined 25,000 rupees by the village "elders" just because their two-year-old son entered a temple or the latest being Jignesh Mevani who was arrested by Assam Police, granted bail and then re-arrested immediately.

 

[HydraChess]

You are right about the wide dispersal of Indian Muslims which won't allow for concentrated opposition but let me say as Muslim that especially the leftist Muslims like me won't go for conversion but choose to emigrate including because the conversion won't really change the attitude of the Hindutavadis.

Let me put it in this way, those Indians who can, are and have been emigrating out of India. Rest have plans in place. Stuck are only those who cannot afford emigration or have obligations in the country.

Secondly, Dalits are being oppressed openly whether it be the family in Karnataka who was fined 25,000 rupees by the village "elders" just because their two-year-old son entered a temple or the latest being Jignesh Mevani who was arrested by Assam Police, granted bail and then re-arrested immediately.

Dalits have faced a sustained exploitation in India. That being said, the current disposition of Indian politics have been marginalizing Muslims to extreme. Inspite of article 25 of constitution, currently after anti conversion laws if someone converts from Dalit Hindu to Islam or Christianity, they loose protection of law for Dalits and they loose reservation. They can still avail these if they had converted to Buddism or Sikhi or Jainism.

The only solution that does not involve mass blood-sheding of minorities in riots is forming a common bond with Dalits who are the real majority of India. Upper Castes are actual minorities who have been ruling directly or by proxy like Modi. Dalits hold Amedkar and his teachings in an absolute respect. It was Ambedkar's opinion to leave caste infested Hinduism and convert into Buddhism. So no one can truely stand against that. I mean situation of Dalits in society has not been worsening in this post-2014/2019 election era. It has been bad but current situation of religious minorities is worse and getting further worse.

 

[Wood]

BD will move out of LDC status soon. I think this could partly be a reason of BD government to seek trade deals. Tariff free market access is very important for textile exports. This is one of the reasons why India cannot compete well in the industry. What does BD plan to do about it after it graduates from LDC club? BD will need FTA with EU, US, UK, Canada, GCC and Australia

 

[UKBengali]

BD will move out of LDC status soon. I think this could partly be a reason of BD government to seek trade deals. Tariff free market access is very important for textile exports. This is one of the reasons why India cannot compete well in the industry. What does BD plan to do about it after it graduates from LDC club? BD will need FTA with EU, US, UK, Canada, GCC and Australia

Are you aware that BD has no tariff concessions to USA and sold 8 billion dollars worth of textiles and other goods to USA last year?

This year it is set to get to 10 billion US dollars or more.

The idea that BD is only successful due to tariffs is incorrect these days - 10-15 years ago for sure but this is no longer the case.

BD has deepening backward integration in textiles and that is not easy for other countries like Pakistan or India to build up quickly.

 

[Wood]

Are you aware that BD has no tarif consession to USA and sold 8 billion dollars worth of textiles and other goods to USA last year?

This year it is set to get to 10 billion US dollars or more.

The idea that BD is only successful due to tariffs is incorrect these days - 10-15 years ago for sure but this is no longer the case.

BD has deeping backward integration in textiles and that is not easy for other countries like Pakistan or India to build up quickly.

https://unctad.org/system/files/official-document/itcdtsbmisc62rev7_en.pdf

https://www.un.org/development/desa/dpad/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/publication/CDP-bp-2014-18.pdf

This paper seems to highlight the effect of LDC status in helping Bangladesh develop its economy.