Bangladesh wants China, India to de-escalate situation

[sohail.ishaque]

"Now"

Read the article. Not written by me. Keep laughing

 

[Species]

I doubt whether Burma would have initiated the calculated Rohingya killing and expulsion to Bangladesh had it BNP govt. or Military govt. They found Sheikh Hasina's govt. is exceptionally accommodating to neighbors and unwilling to confront the hard realities. So they managed to do this crime without any consequence. In 1992, BNP govt. almost went to war with Burma when they expelled 250k Rohingyas into Bangladesh. It only prevented due to OIC and Saudi diplomatic efforts. Subsequently Burma forced to re-accept them.

The change in Burma's attitude began after the BDR mutiny. They predicted the Bangladesh military is going through a low morale and started their adventurism. There was a serious standoff in 2010 when the Burmese artillery were right at the border, with Chittagong within their firing range. The situation was defused through mediation by China; 2010 was also the year when Bangladesh began negotiations for Sonadia. But Burma kept on their adventurism through several incidents, if you remember the abduction and torture of a BGB jawan by Burmese Army. Yet, there was simply no response from Bangladeshi side.

During BNP govt., Bangladesh did have some strategic visions about the regional geopolitics. Despite the occasional hiccups on the Rohingya issue, we had made some good progress in strengthening relations with Burma. The President of Burmese military junta visited Dhaka, Burma even agreed to establish road connectivity between Cox's Bazar and Rakhine. In a diplomatic cable released by wikileaks, the Americans analyzed it as part of Bangladesh's look east strategy to prevent the country from being encircled by India. Such things are pretty unthinkable from where we stand at the moment.

Of course, BNP doesn't have that think tank to cultivate such strategic visions. So who's visions are these? The answer is military, who had always influenced the foreign policy, practicing an effective veto power. They also developed a communication channel with the separatists in Northeast India, a 'Soft Balancing' strategy, to create a leverage on India.

All these changed after the BDR mutiny and military began to lose its influence. AL is just too domestically focused to have the time and space or even the interest to think about strategic/geopolitical issues. It also appears they don't want the military to be glorified which might explain why there was no response from Bangladesh despite repetitive aggression from Burma. Even during the Holy Artisan attack, when it was obvious that the attackers were in a suicide mission, they kept on deliberately delaying the military to barge in and allowed the hostages to be slaughtered one by one.

AL's such domestically focused approach would have gone smooth if we were in regions like EU or ASEAN, where there's no hegemonic threat. But ours is a nasty neighborhood and without any strategic geopolitical vision, we are literally a naive deer up for being eaten by the tigers.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Stick to the topic please and refrain from personal attacks.

 

[Trango Towers]

Stick to the topic please and refrain from personal attacks.

Maybe ask him not to attack Pakistan

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Maybe ask him not to attack Pakistan

Report the post with a reason pointing to the attacking/abusing part and let the mods handle it please.

Questions about moderators/moderator actions should be raised ONLY in GHQ.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Nothing wrong with BD or people of BD.
It's developing but still a long way to go like most muslim countries.

What annoyed me is stupid lies that people spew. Hiding behind stats from wb and adb. As if stats cannot be fudged. India has been doing it for years and has been caught out now.

Alhumdulillah I am blessed enough to have experienced BD. Its rich in culture and people are kind. I have good experiences

Just report these enflamed people, as Pakistan and where you live are not the topics of this thread.

I hope moderation gets tougher to control this kind of trolling. It is getting out of hand.

 

[Trango Towers]

Report the post with a reason pointing to the attacking/abusing part and let the mods handle it please.

Questions about moderators/moderator actions should be raised ONLY in GHQ.

Just report these enflamed people, as Pakistan and where you live are not the topics of this thread.

I hope moderation gets tougher to control this kind of trolling. It is getting out of hand.

Sadly people just want to argue about point scoring and when you challenge them they have no point but continue to waffle

 

[bluesky]

All these changed after the BDR mutiny and military began to lose its influence. AL is just too domestically focused to have the time and space or even the interest to think about strategic/geopolitical issues. It also appears they don't want the military to be glorified which might explain why there was no response from Bangladesh despite repetitive aggression from Burma. Even during the Holy Artisan attack, when it was obvious that the attackers were in a suicide mission, they kept on deliberately delaying the military to barge in and allowed the hostages to be slaughtered one by one.

The point is BAL leadership lacks confidence and it does not want to create a situation that glorifies military that supersedes Hasina's authority. Burmese military junta had full knowledge of this weak psychology and acted on it by pushing Rohingya expecting no reaction from a power hungry Hasina.

Pilkhana carnage was staged by her and her BAL cronies in Jubo Leage and Chatra League to create a gulf between BDR Jawans and the BA Officers in the BDR. I do not think the next door MM's intelligence group does not know the reality of Pilkhana Carnage. So, it acted accordingly.

 

[Destranator]

Read the article. Not written by me. Keep laughing

Laughing at the article, not you.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Sadly people just want to argue about point scoring and when you challenge them they have no point but continue to waffle

They feel like they can avenge '71 by putting down Pakistan and Pakistanis. Alhamdulilah they are only a minority of BDs.

You will see the same ID again and again.

Check this thread here and how angry they became when I proved that Pakistanis are unlike Indians and similar moreso to Afghans.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/raw-...unt-in-dhaka-modi-media-catches.672278/page-5


These are the people who liked that post by @Homo Sapiens which was deriding Pakistanis for having commonalities with our Western, Southern, and Northern neighbors.

Tell me if they seem familiar.

Thanks x 13
Arthur
Axomiya_lora
DalalErMaNodi
Cliftonite
Avicenna
Naofumi
Al-Ansar
Joe Shearer
Atlas
Michael Corleone
Shorisrip
ghost250
BitHeroBD

 

[DalalErMaNodi]

They feel like they can avenge '71 by putting down Pakistan and Pakistanis. Alhamdulilah they are only a minority of BDs.

You will see the same ID again and again.

Check this thread here and how angry they became when I proved that Pakistanis are unlike Indians and similar moreso to Afghans.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/raw-...unt-in-dhaka-modi-media-catches.672278/page-5


These are the people who liked that post by @Homo Sapiens which was deriding Pakistanis for having commonalities with our Western, Southern, and Northern neighbors.

Tell me if they seem familiar.

Thanks x 13
Arthur
Axomiya_lora
DalalErMaNodi
Cliftonite
Avicenna
Naofumi
Al-Ansar
Joe Shearer
Atlas
Michael Corleone
Shorisrip
ghost250
BitHeroBD

And you were liking posts where captain Dundee was insulting me and even took a go at my grandparents who were murdered back in 71.

You seem familiar.

Nobody was bringing Pakistan down, don't come here fake false allegation again and again.

Your friend there came to this thread and derailed it by calling Sheikh Hasina a bitch, and when we stopped him and asked him to stop politely, he started getting abusive and throwing veiled insults, put him in his place and then the personal insults came.

And I can understand English quite well, I was able to easily discern his digs at Bangladesh, broken English or not, the veiled insults about Bangladesh were in plain sight.

Oh and the classic technique, when they can't argue with you, they'll just call you racist (your friend, not you).


So I don't think I need permission from you before I like a post.

This friend of yours has a history of being abusive. Just click on his negative rated posts.

"India is like whore being fucked, it screams."
"B1tch"
Whore"
"Sh1t"

Very poor behaviour on the forum on his/her part as the above samplings demonstrate.

And apparently innocent villagers like my grandparents had it coming to them in 71 for 'resisting' like I am apparently.

Good job backing up a guy who is openly celebrating the execution of an unarmed woman and an old man. Good job. Bravo.

Don't come and cry here for a non issue, first call your friend out.

Or find one post where I was being racist to Pakistanis, if not don't cry over what posts I like, first call out racist and provocateurs for what they are.

What would happen if I insulted Imran khan on here? I have no reason to, but hypothetically I'd get a warning point or a two.

What happened to this guy for insulting Hasina and calling my family members names, nothing.



So if you can like posts with openly racist remarks and insensitive comments about people's family members, I too can like comments that aren't racist.

That comment by @Homo Sapiens isn't racist try again or Google the definition of racism.

Some users on PDF have been spoilt by having been allowed to openly insult India, it's leaders and bash Indians, now they're branching it out to other countries.

We can easily tell that your friend here is envious at our economic growth and just had to make a scene on here, easy, ask the BDs why they live abroad if BD is so 'great'.

As if I or anyone on here said BD is great, then got his knickers in a twist when I exposed his hypocrisy.

This post is definitely getting reported for whatever reasons deemed necessary and I'm probably getting a warning but so be it.

Hopefully I can drive the point home, that most abusive and provocative users on PDF are sadly Pakistanis and other sensible Pakistanis are oblivious to their behaviour or openly encourage it by hitting the like button.


You seem sensible enough so have a good day, teach your friend some manners if you can.

 

[DalalErMaNodi]

Here's an exhibit of this user, he calls Bengalis Hindus and Indians, defames the country, calls us out for being dark skinned and you'll even find out why he is so irked by Bangladesh in the below quotes.

He can't bear to see BD's economic growth, probably the kind of guy who looks at photos of Islamabad thinking all of Pakistan is the same as a puny prestige city purpose built for a capital.

And sensible Pakistanis are backing a user like this pffft.

Note all these quotes were directed and Bangladeshi Muslim users not Indians, because bashing Indians is excusable as per forum's Defacto rules.

This kind of users get free hand on PDF? These are only two pages I could sort thorough, for posts on this sub forum and referring to Bangladeshis. Make a broader search and who this person really is comes to fore.

I rest my case, mods ought to ban him but as long as Pakistan isn't being insult all else is allowed and encouraged.

Mate you started the muslims bla bla bla...u ssid but from muslims countries except the arabs and pakistan.
You were never in bed with us...God knows who u were in bed with but thats your issue.
Lecture on islam is for jahils that use islam but dont even think and allow their mouth to speak without engaging their brain...of you go

I bet you are not muslim. You sound so hindu and indian. Munafiq is you who will pick a kaffir over a muslim. So please f off and back in the hole you came out of. What r u doing on a pakistani site if you hate it so much. Go *** lick hindus as you want to. F off....chaolo chalo dafa ho

Looool..suddenly u are very muslim...yet what does the prophet say about people like you who are racists.
Didnt he say we are all one people.
Didnt he say no arab is better than a non arab and vise versa.
So please spare me your cut and paste crap. You are a racist through and through. Quoting stuff doesnt change your heart. Before u the jews knew their religion but sold it for a small price. The khawrig knew their religion but it when through them like arrow through game.
You are a lost indian. Ja ja dafo ho.

Traitors were those that rose against the nation sided with the kaffir to kill muslim....let me spell it out for u

THAT WOULD BE BENGALIS LIKE U

I have visisted bangladesh 4 time...lived outside BDR hq in dhakka. Stayed at army camps on the indian border. Family where one brother stayed in the army in BD and the other in Pak. You just waffle. Listen to jahils in your mohalla and think u know it

Not one of my brother.
An extended family member. Colonel in the unit that killed mujeeb. Luckily he was in china when mujeeb was killed. He had no knowledge of it.

Haaahaha

Black pussies i mean cats

I have been there 3 times. Have family there. All is not as it seems or as they say. Trust me

Well BD is a the fastest growing economy in the world and doesnt have anyone with a brain to inspect a bus. Bla bla bla

Bd and India...same scum

So u condone rape?

It's disgusting that BD is learning from Indians that rape is normal and that of s 12 yr old child. God how do u even think of her like that.

They were not collaborators. They were patriots. They did not side with hindu india.

You are Indian. go away.

All very convenient.
India is a super power and
Bangladesh will be super rich.

Gosh this Bengali team is more drama than the indian team. Hope the get such drubbing they go home not as tigers but as pussies. So disappointed with BD.
Sorry to the nice Bengali brothers on PDF.

Take the four letter expletive and shove it back in your mouth.

Sri lanka just came and south africa are coming...so brain before your expletive laden mouth. Or in a language you understand shut the $#@% up

Well do you even know which twat you came out of? If you dont like it dont dish it. Indian funt

Dont like the same language you use? I see now you have reduced the profanities .. but still using retard. Well retards are those that gave you zero education and brought you up to be an person that cannot write a sentence without abusing someone. I suggest you go and slap them in the face for doing a pathetic job of bringing up vermin. Now jog on.

Pleb are the ones that raised you. U started the abuse I have only replied in kind. Typical indian when you get it back then you try to nice. Good that you are done. Jog on

I dont have a sis but I guess you are doing your mom that's what Indian do now f off. Yiu have been bitch slapped and u cant take it. Now remember never to abuse someone. And change your name to a piss drinker

Yeah....muslims ruled you for a 1000 years and then took Pakistan from u. There is nothing g you or your RSS rapist *** can do.
I thought you were done. How is the urine drinking going.

Where as india is the rape capital of the world and you are a product of that. Who is your daddy. We could go on all day. Pathetic vermin

People get excited but these are just stats and can be changed adjusted and interpreted how you want

 

[Bilal9]

And you are doing the same ...

I wish BD was great so muslims wouldnt have to go abroad and they could spend time with their families.
WB, ADB and the local massi can say what they like. They say india is a super power and an economic giant. Well when people in the millions still poop in the open its nit very developed is it.
I lived in dhanmandi opposite BDR. I know Dhaka well. Spent time in Modhipur forest with father Homeric and his Christian worker with the tribal. I have been to many places and have extended family. My best friend in the UK is bengali. I know BD better than a lot of bengalis.

So when you all jump on defend Bangladesh do it right. Call a spade a spade.
Emotional defending is pointless as facts remain.


Another rant...how many times a year do you go?
How many times a year do I go?
How long do I stay each time?

See you have no idea

Again please stop talking emotional sh1t. You are making a fool of yourself.

Yes there is good improvement compared to 20 years ago and 20 years ago was better than 300 years ago. What's your point? Again brain brain brain b4 typewriter.

People reading this will be laughing at you. Best you stop this....my elephant is bigger than yours. Its childish

Look we all know subcontinent is one big dump and there are slums all over the place in all countries. That is besides the point.

No one here is defending Bangladesh. I believe most of us Bangladeshis (myself included) are the fiercest and most vocal critics of our own country. Which you ignored in your posts.

If living in Dhanmandi and Dhaka proper gave someone (like you) the picture of whole Bangladesh then God help us. I think it is better to say that you don't know all facts concerning Bangladesh. In the last ten years alone there has been massive infra projects (mostly road/rail networks as well as power generation) all over Bangladesh. In Bangladesh we are running a power generation surplus. I don't know when you visited - but Padma bridge (and the expressway to that bridge from Dhaka) are real. These are facts. Go see the infra thread I made. Pictures don't lie.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/recent-urban-development-in-bangladesh.557256/page-21#post-12088751

If you're not connected with business folks, decision makers and movers/shakers in Bangladesh, then you will hardly know what the heck is going on. Looking at streets and slums won't give you any idea.

We are not rabid Hasina supporters here and honestly I don't care if you are a Hasina hater. If you say Bangladesh is a dump in spite of what we post here - then great. Really can't help that you feel nothing good is happening around Bangladesh or even if it is - then you don't like it. May Allah grant you some peace in your heart.

For now - we don't have any option better than Hasina. Calling her a b*tch won't change anything. Maybe that will change later, but for now it is a compromise, we need to be patient. Our country - our rules, and that's fair.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Look we all know subcontinent is one big dump and there are slums all over the place in all countries. That is besides the point.

No one here is defending Bangladesh. I believe most of us Bangladeshis (myself included) are the fiercest and most vocal critics of our own country. Which you ignored in your posts.

If living in Dhanmandi and Dhaka proper gave someone (like you) the picture of whole Bangladesh then God help us. I think it is better to say that you don't know all facts concerning Bangladesh. In the last ten years alone there has been massive infra projects (mostly road/rail networks as well as power generation) all over Bangladesh. In Bangladesh we are running a power generation surplus. I don't know when you visited - but Padma bridge (and the expressway to that bridge from Dhaka) are real. These are facts. Go see the infra thread I made. Pictures don't lie.

If you're not connected with business folks, decision makers and movers/shakers in Bangladesh, then you will hardly know what the heck is going on. Looking at streets and slums won't give you any idea.

We are not rabid Hasina supporters here and honestly I don't care if you are a Hasina hater. If you say Bangladesh is a dump in spite of what we post here - then great. But for now - we don't have any option better than Hasina. Maybe that will change later, but for now it is a compromise.

We are praying for the best for BD brothers. I wish maximum pain for Indians and Burma.

BD deserves to be much larger and have more influence than it does today.

I hope Pakistan and BD could be on the same page geopolitically, as our interests converge on so many levels.

 

[Bilal9]

We are praying for the best for BD brothers. I wish maximum pain for Indians and Burma.

BD deserves to be much larger and have more influence than it does today.

I hope Pakistan and BD could be on the same page geopolitically, as our interests converge on so many levels.

Insha Allah brother for the sake of strategic convergence, Bangladesh and Pakistan will get much closer politically. Pakistan itself is changing, for the better. I am a fan of Imran Khan.

Hasina's personal debt to India is the only thing that is keeping us apart. But that is not the whole story.

I look forward to the day that saner heads prevail in India/Pakistan, and that military de-escalation as well as end of occupation (starting with India as bigger brother) occurs for the betterment of all our citizens in every country.

Here's an exhibit of this user, he calls Bengalis Hindus and Indians, defames the country, calls us out for being dark skinned and you'll even find out why he is so irked by Bangladesh in the below quotes.

This is truly unfortunate. There are lighter skinned and darker skinned folks in every country. For the record, there are plenty of dark-skinned Pakistanis too (some are my friends in LA, as are dark and light-toned Indians), will you and I call them disrespectful names?

All are deserving of human respect.

This is 2020 - and we live in a different world. This has not dawned on a lot of folks.