Bangladesh wants China, India to de-escalate situation

[Species]

MM knows all along what happened in Pilkhana and took full advantage of the situation by reading the mind/psychology of Hasina and pushed Rohingya. You see, Hasina is a big talker but little doer.

Now, MM has shown St. Martin in its map. Something will happen in the future and do not expect Hazrat Hasina will act. She just wants to be in power.

It's quite obvious Myanmar is preparing for a war with Bangladesh. Consider their recent purchases like SY 400; ballistic missiles are outright offensive weapons. There are few factors which would influence their plan on going for a war.

1. How their internal peace process with the rebels pans out.
2. The state of the popularity of military leaders within the country.

If the peace process falls apart or if the military leaders began to lose their popularity based on economic or other conditions of the country, it's highly likely that Myanmar will go for a war against Bangladesh to divert the attention.

 

[Michael Corleone]

No @bluesky , she is not a traitor , but people like you are the real traitor to the nation .

Why though? Hmm

listen the whole state of affairs of ur belo


Look at you my man. The whole state of the country is wearing heavy on your spirit isn’t it? You act like a proper civil servant acting on behalf of A dictator. That guy is expressing his free opinion. It’s called freedom of expression sumthing you don’t know cuz you come from a place where that don’t exist. I say again, you stated that he pointed finger at your PM. My friend, it’s called freedom of expression, not pointing fingers. Take ur ego Nd servitude sumwhere else. Free ppl are free to express their opinions

Calm down, yeah shit aren’t what they should be, but you got a better option? Open a political party if you want change instead of whining.

 

[Xerxes22]

Why though? Hmm


Calm down, yeah shit aren’t what they should be, but you got a better option? Open a political party if you want change instead of whining.

I like how things are going inspite of the process. I believe having an effective democracy has requirements. First, a strong and educated population. A society built on the values of human rights. Second, a population which understands the worth for struggle for real freedom and democracy. These things are absent in BD hence the democratic system will never work. It will drag the country into the mud. BD population need a guardian. A strong leader who can point them towards a forward march. One big reason for democracy not working in south East Asia is because democracy was imported here, without any fight or struggle. These ppl never fought for democracy or went thru wars like WW2 for democracy like the west did. The ppl of the west went thru years of brutal warfare to realise the worth of self determination. Democracy Nd self determination is associated with their history. Whilst in Our case we just imported it without understanding its spirit or fighting for it. Hence the people of BD are not worth of a democracy. BDs current leadership inspite of the process is the best thing to happen to this country for a long time. And I am very aware of this. I’d rather Have a strong leader like we have today for as long as it takes until this population becomes worthy enough. I was just arguing with the man cause he was saying sum weird conspiracy theory.

 

[bluesky]

Perhaps not as big ***kisser like you , who joined at Monday and defending another user who is pointing finger ( it's not the first time , but several time he did it and when challenged started BS) to the PM of Bangladesh but did not provide any evidence?

Are you a true copy of Hasina? Why do you lie that I did not give evidence? I have given evidences but you are pretending you have not read them. Again I say,

- watch the still or video photographs inside Pilkhana, you will know many were not BDR troops. i have seen BDR troops with long hair (Babri Chul) on that day. Who were them? Not Jubo League group?

- Who fired from the opposite side of the road in front of Durbar Hall that killed General Shakil? Why did they ran away from the spot with the minibus after making the first firings?

- Why Hazrat Hasina cancelled on the previous day a planned visit to the BDR ceremony? Because she knew what was going to happen there.

Do not please make fool of yourself. Hasina is the greatest enemy of the country worse than Mir Zafar. Not only India, she is even appeasing MM!! What the Hell is going to happen to the country if she remains the PM?

If the peace process falls apart or if the military leaders began to lose their popularity based on economic or other conditions of the country, it's highly likely that Myanmar will go for a war against Bangladesh to divert the attention.

And, take my word. BD will not fight even if it has 200 war planes. Hasina just do not want our military to get any credit for doing good to the country. Hasina is a joke and she is a traitor.

 

[Xerxes22]

It's quite obvious Myanmar is preparing for a war with Bangladesh. Consider their recent purchases like SY 400; ballistic missiles are outright offensive weapons. There are few factors which would influence their plan on going for a war.

1. How their internal peace process with the rebels pans out.
2. The state of the popularity of military leaders within the country.

If the peace process falls apart or if the military leaders began to lose their popularity based on economic or other conditions of the country, it's highly likely that Myanmar will go for a war against Bangladesh to divert the attention.

This is sumthing that I’m very very worried about. These is a very likely scenario. The first thing the Myanmar military cabal will do is start a fight with BD in case Of a decline in Sentiment. I hope BD are prepared for it and I believe they are. I think Bangladesh needs a strong leadership and Hasina despite the means have done a better job of leading this country than any of her predecessors. And Bangladesh needs to head on this direction. But yeah our military leadership needs to be more aware of the threat from Myanmar. And they have modernised their military to a degree as I understand. We need to show more anticipation for this war scenario and invest on our military and make aware the danger that Myanmar possess to us. In case of war though, I believe they will make quick initial gains. But we will be able to mobilise a huge fighting force and totally overwhelm them. And also That’s why i don’t know who BD should align with, India or China keeping this scenario in mind. BD will need India to help them against Myanmar . Is there any other way?

 

[VikingRaider]

Why do you lie that I did not give evidence? I have given evidences but you are pretending you have not read them. Again I say,

- watch the still or video photographs inside Pilkhana, you will know many were not BDR troops. i have seen BDR troops with long hair (Babri Chul) on that day. Who were them? Not Jubo League group?

You are kidding right ? You will write something and I have to search it to see? Post authentic still or video photograph link so that everyone can see . But post from authentic and believable sources , not some hodgepodge edited stuff .

Do you really fuking believe that Juboleage or BCL or other political gundas can harm military ? Are you losing your mind ?

 

[Michael Corleone]

I like how things are going inspite of the process. I believe having an effective democracy has requirements. First, a strong and educated population. A society built on the values of human rights. Second, a population which understands the worth for struggle for real freedom and democracy. These things are absent in BD hence the democratic system will never work. It will drag the country into the mud. BD population need a guardian. A strong leader who can point them towards a forward march. One big reason for democracy not working in south East Asia is because democracy was imported here, without any fight or struggle. These ppl never fought for democracy or went thru wars like WW2 for democracy like the west did. The ppl of the west went thru years of brutal warfare to realise the worth of self determination. Democracy Nd self determination is associated with their history. Whilst in Our case we just imported it without understanding its spirit or fighting for it. Hence the people of BD are not worth of a democracy. BDs current leadership inspite of the process is the best thing to happen to this country for a long time. And I am very aware of this. I’d rather Have a strong leader like we have today for as long as it takes until this population becomes worthy enough. I was just arguing with the man cause he was saying sum weird conspiracy theory.

Give it time, with times people will change and so will situations.
Look at Singapore, they have a Fairly strong democracy now compared to the autocratic style of before

 

[vi-va]

Give it time, with times people will change and so will situations.
Look at Singapore, they have a Fairly strong democracy now compared to the autocratic style of before

Come on. You must watch too much drama to think Singapore is democracy.

You did NOT know Lee Kuan Yew is ethnic Chinese, and he hate western democracy? Lee Kuan Yew said western democracy only bring regression, instead of progress.

Don't judge a book by the cover. Singapore did the same thing like BD, fake the election to make western countries satisfied.

李光耀 Lee Kuan Yew's Final Challenge to Democracy and the British/American Empire.

The man on the left was the last British governor of HongKong.

01:25 I have never believed that the democracy brings progress
01:33 I know it to have brought regression
01:37 I watch it year by year every two years when I meet my fellow members of the leaders of the Commonwealth and it need not have been done
01:51 the British never governed these countries by one-man one-vote

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/lee-...british-american-empire.669142/#post-12387182

 

[Michael Corleone]

Come on. You must watch too much drama to think Singapore is democracy.

You did NOT know Lee Kuan Yew is ethnic Chinese, and he hate western democracy? Lee Kuan Yew said western democracy only bring backward, instead of progress.

Don't judge a book by the cover. Singapore did the same thing like BD, fake the election to make western countries satisfied.



https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/lee-...british-american-empire.669142/#post-12387182

Well it’s better to be an autocrat in the name of democracy than capitalism Inthe name of socialism

 

[vi-va]

Well it’s better to be an autocrat in the name of democracy than capitalism Inthe name of solialism

You jump from one ideology trap to another. while you may not understand China, nor BD.

China is not capitalism at all. HK is, by the way.

The top 100 richest men in China have ZERO influence in China politics. The Political Bureau has the final say. That's why China is not capitalism at all.
In capitalism country like US, the top 100 richest men have tremendous influence on US politics and policy. and that's why US is plutocracy or kleptocracy.

Don't judge a book by the cover. You are too easy to believe this or that.

You are just 23. I am as naive as you when I was young. Grow up.

 

[Buddhistforlife]

It's quite obvious Myanmar is preparing for a war with Bangladesh. Consider their recent purchases like SY 400; ballistic missiles are outright offensive weapons. There are few factors which would influence their plan on going for a war.

1. How their internal peace process with the rebels pans out.
2. The state of the popularity of military leaders within the country.

If the peace process falls apart or if the military leaders began to lose their popularity based on economic or other conditions of the country, it's highly likely that Myanmar will go for a war against Bangladesh to divert the attention.

If Myanmar ever tries to fight BD, BD must make sure that it can push in the Rohingyas into Rakhine state at any cost. If the war even results in a stalemate then good luck repatriating the Rohingyas.

 

[Species]

This is sumthing that I’m very very worried about. These is a very likely scenario. The first thing the Myanmar military cabal will do is start a fight with BD in case Of a decline in Sentiment. I hope BD are prepared for it and I believe they are. I think Bangladesh needs a strong leadership and Hasina despite the means have done a better job of leading this country than any of her predecessors. And Bangladesh needs to head on this direction. But yeah our military leadership needs to be more aware of the threat from Myanmar. And they have modernised their military to a degree as I understand. We need to show more anticipation for this war scenario and invest on our military and make aware the danger that Myanmar possess to us. In case of war though, I believe they will make quick initial gains. But we will be able to mobilise a huge fighting force and totally overwhelm them. And also That’s why i don’t know who BD should align with, India or China keeping this scenario in mind. BD will need India to help them against Myanmar . Is there any other way?

If you follow the discussion here between bluesky and me, it has been explained how the government is reluctant to let the military take any actions against external aggression due to their fear of military's glorification among people which could make them more popular than the government. That means, despite the modernization or whatever strength they have, we might not see any fruitful response from Bangladesh. Besides, we all know the military is also going through low morale.

The current leadership will most likely seek help from India but the question is could India be trusted? It's India here, who call Bangladesh their ally and then spread anti-Bangladesh sentiments in its Northeast while their politicians and media keep throwing degrading remarks against Bangladeshis frequently. Also let's not forget India was pretty much on Myanmar's side over the Rohingya crisis in international diplomacy.

If Myanmar ever tries to fight BD, BD must make sure that it can push in the Rohingyas into Rakhine state at any cost. If the war even results in a stalemate then good luck repatriating the Rohingyas.

Rohingyas are here to stay as long as Arakan remains under Burmese control. They have invested decades of efforts and time to execute this.

Also, take a look at the refugee camps which are guarded by officials from UN and dozens of INGOs. During a war, these refugee camps might be declared no-conflict zones which means the Rohingyas would be in a much safer position than Bangladeshi citizen themselves.

And, take my word. BD will not fight even if it has 200 war planes. Hasina just do not want our military to get any credit for doing good to the country. Hasina is a joke and she is a traitor.

A nation gets a leader that it deserves. Most Bangladeshis are content with their own little world and don't want anything to do with what happens outside. People are just satisfied as long as they have three meals to eat.

They don't realize that geopolitics could also adversely affect the economy and every sphere of life. And a nation with the eighth largest population is bound to get affected and embroiled into geopolitical conflicts.

 

[Xerxes22]

If you follow the discussion here between bluesky and me, it has been explained how the government is reluctant to let the military take any actions against external aggression due to their fear of military's glorification among people which could make them more popular than the government. That means, despite the modernization or whatever strength they have, we might not see any fruitful response from Bangladesh. Besides, we all know the military is also going through low morale.

The current leadership will most likely seek help from India but the question is could India be trusted? It's India here, who call Bangladesh their ally and then spread anti-Bangladesh sentiments in its Northeast while their politicians and media keep throwing degrading remarks against Bangladeshis frequently. Also let's not forget India was pretty much on Myanmar's side over the Rohingya crisis in international diplomacy.



Rohingyas are here to stay as long as Arakan remains under Burmese control. They have invested decades of efforts and time to execute this.

Also, take a look at the refugee camps which are guarded by officials from UN and dozens of INGOs. During a war, these refugee camps might be declared no-conflict zones which means the Rohingyas would be in a much safer position than Bangladeshi citizen themselves.



A nation gets a leader that it deserves. Most Bangladeshis are content with their own little world and don't want anything to do with what happens outside. People are just satisfied as long as they have three meals to eat.

They don't realize that geopolitics could also adversely affect the economy and every sphere of life. And a nation with the eighth largest population is bound to get affected and embroiled into geopolitical conflicts.

If you follow the discussion here between bluesky and me, it has been explained how the government is reluctant to let the military take any actions against external aggression due to their fear of military's glorification among people which could make them more popular than the government. That means, despite the modernization or whatever strength they have, we might not see any fruitful response from Bangladesh. Besides, we all know the military is also going through low morale.

The current leadership will most likely seek help from India but the question is could India be trusted? It's India here, who call Bangladesh their ally and then spread anti-Bangladesh sentiments in its Northeast while their politicians and media keep throwing degrading remarks against Bangladeshis frequently. Also let's not forget India was pretty much on Myanmar's side over the Rohingya crisis in international diplomacy.



Rohingyas are here to stay as long as Arakan remains under Burmese control. They have invested decades of efforts and time to execute this.

Also, take a look at the refugee camps which are guarded by officials from UN and dozens of INGOs. During a war, these refugee camps might be declared no-conflict zones which means the Rohingyas would be in a much safer position than Bangladeshi citizen themselves.



A nation gets a leader that it deserves. Most Bangladeshis are content with their own little world and don't want anything to do with what happens outside. People are just satisfied as long as they have three meals to eat.

They don't realize that geopolitics could also adversely affect the economy and every sphere of life. And a nation with the eighth largest population is bound to get affected and embroiled into geopolitical conflicts.

Yes they were on Burmese side on the international sphere in regards to the Rohingya conflict. Do u think that might have been because those Rohingyas are muslims? They are the most horrible nation right now on earth in terms of principle and dillusion... They have no morals , so no they can’t be trusted. They can’t absolutely be trusted . They might as well think , “well let Myanmar push close to Dhaka, we will come in at the last minute wen things are dire so that we can steal sum lands and get maximum return on our rescue operation “ . I don’t trust China either.

 

[Michael Corleone]

You jump from one ideology trap to another. while you may not understand China, nor BD.

China is not capitalism at all. HK is, by the way.

The top 100 richest men in China have ZERO influence in China politics. The Political Bureau has the final say. That's why China is not capitalism at all.
In capitalism country like US, the top 100 richest men have tremendous influence on US politics and policy. and that's why US is plutocracy or kleptocracy.

Don't judge a book by the cover. You are too easy to believe this or that.

You are just 23. I am as naive as you when I was young. Grow up.

It’s not socialist either? Is it?

 

[Species]

Yes they were on Burmese side on the international sphere in regards to the Rohingya conflict. Do u think that might have been because those Rohingyas are muslims? They are the most horrible nation right now on earth in terms of principle and dillusion... They have no morals , so no they can’t be trusted. They can’t absolutely be trusted . They might as well think , “well let Myanmar push close to Dhaka, we will come in at the last minute wen things are dire so that we can steal sum lands and get maximum return on our rescue operation “ . I don’t trust China either.

Of course, the fact that Rohingyas are Muslims played a major role in India's decision to back Myanmar during the crisis, and majority of Bangladeshis are Muslims too, isn't it?

China would remain silent as long as the West don't get involved.

We can only trust ourselves in such scenario if you want to keep those ifs and buts to rest. And that boils down to the issue I have been raising in this thread, do we have any geopolitical visions and are we investing enough efforts to achieve them? Our torpid response to external aggression in recent years points towards negative.