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man for a change have some dignity i mean i am a pro russian supporter but if some talks like that about canada trust me bro towing his line would be too below my dignity have some self respect & then everybody else will respect you.

thank's

what do you mean by have some dignity my friend? You can support anyone you like which isn't my concern. I don't know about Canada but one thing for sure no one get respect from everybody and that completely OK by Al-zakir.....:cool:


Remember
"One Man's Freedom Fighter is Another Man's Terrorist":smokin:
 
you must be a pakistani..
waving pakistani flag under your post..

Well I have both in me and both are beloved in certain way. :cheers:

It's a gorgeous flag and of course sign of Islam. Mash'Allah:pakistan:

East Pakistan should have in our name with same flag. It would have been more Islamic.:agree:
 
Going back to the original article that was first posted:
DHAKA: Bangladesh on Wednesday urged Pakistan to apologise formally for alleged atrocities committed by its army during Bangladesh’s bloody liberation struggle in 1971.

Bangladeshi officials have said three million people were killed during the fight for independence for what was then East Pakistan, and the new government in Dhaka has vowed to try suspected war criminals.

In a meeting with Pakistan’s High Commissioner on Wednesday, Foreign Minister Dipu Moni raised the issue of ‘seeking formal apologies by Pakistan for the genocide in 1971,’ a written statement said.

A Pakistani envoy told Bangladesh in February to let ‘bygones be bygones’ and rejected plans to try those accused of murder, rape and arson.

A private Dhaka-based group that has investigated the conflict has named 1,775 people, including Pakistani generals and local militants allied with Pakistan, as war crime suspects.
DAWN.COM | World | Bangladesh urges Pakistan apology for 1971 ?crimes?

1. These 1,775 named people as in above, do they include the original 195 pers that were originally held by Bangladesh?

2. I find it some what diplomatically inappropriate that the Bangladesh Foreign minister, Dipu Moni, would raise such a request when the Pakistan High Commissioner, Alamgir Bashar Khan Babar, to quote “come to hand over a message condoling the death of Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina's husband Dr M A Wazed Miah”

3. based on the following,

TRIPARTITE AGREEMENT BETWEEN INDIA, BANGLADESH AND PAKISTAN FOR NORMALISATION OF RELATIONS IN THE SUB-CONTINENT

New Delhi, April 9, 1974

1. On July 2, 1972, the President of Pakistan and the Prime Minister of India signed an historic agreement at Simla under which they resolved that the two countries put to an end the conflict and confrontation that has hitherto marred their relations and work for the promotion of a friendly and harmonious relationship and the establishment of a durable peace in the sub-continent. The Agreement also provided for the settlement of "their difference by peaceful means by bilateral negotiations or by any other peaceful means mutually agreed upon.

2. Bangladesh welcomed the Simla Agreement. The Prime Minister of Bangladesh strongly supported its objective of reconciliation, good neighborliness' and establishment of durable peace in the sub-continent.

3. The humanitarian problem arising in the wake of the tragic events of 1971 constituted a major obstacle in the way of reconciliation and normalization among the countries of the sub-continent. In the absence of reconciliation, it was not possible to have tripartite talks to settle the humanitarian problems, as Bangladesh could not participate in such meeting on the basis of sovereign equality.

4. On April 17, 1973, India and Bangladesh took a major step forward to break the deadlock on the humanitarian issues by setting aside the political problems of recognition. In a Declaration issued on the date they said that they "are resolved to continue their efforts to reduce tension, promote friendly and harmonious relationship in the sub-continent and work together towards the establishment of a durable peace ". Inspired by the vision and "in the larger interest of reconciliation, peace and stability in the sub-continent" they jointly proposed that the problem of the detained and stranded persons should be resolved on humanitarian considerations through simultaneous repatriation of all such persons except those Pakistani prisoners of war who might be required by the Government of Bangladesh for trial on certain charges.

5. Following the Declaration there were a series of talks between India and Bangladesh and India and Pakistan. These talks resulted in an agreement at Delhi on August 28, 1973 between India and Pakistan with the concurrence of Bangladesh, which provided for a solution of the outstanding humanitarian problems.

6. In pursuance of the Agreement, the process of three-way repatriation commenced on September 19, 1973. So far nearly 300,000 persons have been repatriated which has generated an atmosphere of reconciliation and paved the way for normalization of relations in the sub-continent.

7. In February 1974, recognition took place thus facilitating the participation of Bangladesh in the tripartite meeting envisaged in the Delhi Agreement, on the basis of sovereign equality. Accordingly His Excellency Dr.Kamal Hossain, Foreign Minster of the Government of Bangladesh, His Excellency Sardar Swaran Singh, Minister of External Affairs, Government of India and His Excellency Mr.Aziz Ahmed, the Minister of State for Defense and Foreign Affairs of the Government of Pakistan met in New Delhi from April 5 to April 9, 1974 and discussed the various issues mentioned in the Delhi Agreement in particular the question of the 195 prisoners of war and the completion of the three-way process of repatriation involving Bangalees in Pakistan, Pakistanis in Bangladesh and Pakistani prisoners of war in India.

8. The Ministries reviewed the progress of the three-way repatriation under the Delhi Agreement of August 28, 1973. They were gratified that such a large number of persons detained or stranded in the three countries had since reached their destinations.

9. The Ministers also considered steps that needed to be taken in order expeditiously to bring the process of the three-way repatriation to a satisfactory conclusion.

10. The Indian side stated that the remaining Pakistani prisoners of war and civilians internees in India to be repatriated under the Delhi Agreement, numbering approximately 6,500, would be repatriated at the usual pace of rain on alternate days and the likely short-fall [text illegible] ..to April 10, 1974 on account of Kumb Mela, would be made up by running additional trains after April 19. It was thus hoped that the repatriation of prisoners of war would be completed by the end of April 1974.

11. The Pakistani side stated that the repatriation of Bangladesh nationals from Pakistan was approaching completion. The remaining Bangladesh nationals in Pakistan would also repatriated without let or hindrance.

12. In respect of non-Bangalees in Bangladesh, the Pakistan side stated that the Government of Pakistan had already issued clearances for movement to Pakistan in favor of those non-Bangalees who were either domiciled in former West Pakistan, were employees of the Central Government and their families or were members of the divided families, irrespective of their original domicile. The issuance of the clearance to 25,000 persons who constitute hardship cases was also in progress. The Pakistan side reiterated that all those who fall under the first three categorize would be received by Pakistan without any limits to numbers. In respect of persons whose applications had been rejected, the Government of Pakistan would upon request, provide reasons why any particular case was rejected. Any aggrieved applicant could, at any time, seek a review of his application provided he was able to supply new facts or further information to the Government of Pakistan in support of his contention that he qualified in one or other of the three categories. The claims of such persons would not be time-barred. In the event of the decision of the review of a case being adverse, the Government of Pakistan and Bangladesh might seek to resolve it by mutual consultation.

13. The question of 195 Pakistani prisoners of war was discussed by the three Ministers, in the context of the earnest desire of the Governments for reconciliation, peace and friendship in the sub-continent. The Foreign Minister of Bangladesh stated that the excesses and manifold crimes committed by these prisoners of war constituted according to the relevant provisions of the U.N General Assembly Resolutions and International Law, war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide, and that there was universal consensus that persons charged with such crimes as the 195 Pakistani prisoners of war should be held to account and subjected to the dues process of Law. The Minister of State for Defense and Foreign Affairs of the Government of Pakistan said that his Government condemned and deeply regretted any crimes that may have been committed.

14. In this connection the three Ministers noted that the matter should be viewed in the context of the determination of the three countries to continue resolutely to work for reconciliation. The Minister further noted that following recognition, the Prime Minister of Pakistan declared that he would visit Bangladesh in response to the invitation of the Prime Minister of Bangladesh and appeal to the people of Bangladesh, to forgive and forget the mistakes of the past. Similarly, the Prime Minister of Bangladesh had declared with regard to the atrocities and destruction committed in Bangladesh in 1971 that he wanted the people to forget the past and to make a fresh start, stating that the people of Bangladesh knew how to forgive.

15. In the light of the foregoing and, in particular, having regard to the appeal of the Prime Minister of Pakistan to the people of Bangladesh to forgive and forget the mistakes of the past, the Foreign Minister of Bangladesh stated that the Government of Bangladesh has decided not to proceed with the trials as an act of clemency. It was agreed that the 195 prisoners of war may be repatriated to Pakistan along with the other prisoners of war now in process of repatriation under the Delhi Agreement.

16. The Minister expressed their convictions that the above agreements provide a firm basis for the resolution of the humanitarian problems arising out of the conflict of 1971. They reaffirmed the vital stake of seven hundred million people of the three countries have in peace and progress and reiterated the resolve of their Governments to work for the promotion of normalization of relations and the establishment of durable peace in the sub-continent.

Signed in New Delhi on April 9, 1974 in three original, each of which is equally authentic.

Sd/-

Dr.Kamal Hossain, Foreign Minster of the Government of Bangladesh,

Sd/-

Sardar Swaran Singh, Minister of External Affairs, Government of IndiaS

Sd/-

Mr.Aziz Ahmed, the Minister of State for Defense and Foreign Affairs of the Government of Pakistan

[RECORDED VERBATIM AS PER CIRCULATION BY THE OFFICE OF THE FOREIGN MINISTER, GOVERNMENT OF BANGLADESH]
Link:
Virtual Bangladesh : History

In Paragraph 14 of above:
“Prime Minister of Pakistan declared that he would visit Bangladesh in response to the invitation of the Prime Minister of Bangladesh”

Was the Prime Minister of Pakistan formally invited by the Prime Minister of Bangladesh?

The wording is critical, diplomatic and intent requires that formal invitation. That invitation is not inherent with in the agreement.

I see no reference to the word apologise nor the required delivery of an apology as such.

Further there is no reference to
“sharing of assets”
“seeking formal apologies by Pakistan for the genocide in 1971”

The agreement also includes statements re repatriation and its progress.
“repatriation of stranded Pakistanis and others”

Above ref to post:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangla...-pakistan-apology-1971-crimes.html#post376378



This: reference post:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangla...akistan-apology-1971-crimes-2.html#post376637

"I wish to express to the Bangladeshi people sincere regrets for the tragic events, which have left deep wounds on both our nations".

"Your brothers and sisters in Pakistan share the pain of the events of 1971"

President Musharraf
Dhaka, 30 July, 2002


Legaly under the TRIPARTITE AGREEMENT of 1974 this fulfils that component of paragraph 14 of that agreement.


Has anyone really bothered to see what the political reason behind this is?
How much is it to do with the events of 1971, and how much to do with the attempt of the Bangladesh Foreign minister, Dipu Moni to cover past diplomatic stuff ups?

Just interested..
 
^^^^ who'll bother with reading so much when it is so easy to blame India for everything and reignite the old flame of one nation in the name of religion. If some of the members were equally interested in reading and understanding new perspectives instead of spewing venom, things might be very different. This is applicable not only on this forum and real life as well.
 
What came to media as "Bangladesh urges Pakistan" had came from indian backed Awami govt and should be read as Awami view ONLY. Most Bangladeshis wants to move on to build better futute.
 
What came to media as "Bangladesh urges Pakistan" had came from indian backed Awami govt and should be read as Awami view ONLY. Most Bangladeshis wants to move on to build better futute.

Well the Awami Govt was elected by the people and this came from your eleted government
In a meeting with Pakistan’s High Commissioner on Wednesday, Foreign Minister Dipu Moni raised the issue of ‘seeking formal apologies by Pakistan for the genocide in 1971,’ a written statement said.

So it can not be just the Awami Govt view as they represent the people.
 
What came to media as "Bangladesh urges Pakistan" had came from indian backed Awami govt and should be read as Awami view ONLY. Most Bangladeshis wants to move on to build better futute.

you must be in a illusion that pakistan will be better ally for bangladesh in the name of muslim brotherhood. ....

i have a different views on it ..

during gulf war jorden , egipt , UAE , pakistan , arabia etc ...they all help amaricans against Iraq in return of economic aid....
during afganistan war pakistan help US against their own child ..ie taliban..in return of , economic aid.
even now pakistan killing talibanis only for militry aid they going to get from US ..otherwise pakistan is not at all interested in this war...
and who can forget 1971 , the brutle genocide of 3mn people , ...
these were all muslims killing fellow muslim for some reason or other...


one thing is sure that if we stanghten our relation with pakistan , it will be at the cost of india because pakistan will going to polute the bangladesh-india relation by pushing it's ani-india aganda .look at the relation pakistan has with their neibours ..... with iran , afganistan , tajakistan....they are all bad if not worst because these countries has good relation with india which pakjistan don't like...i even read news that pakistan even oppose to any indian help in rebuilding afganistan after the resent taliban-US war on terror...



it's a economic driven world , we should choose carefully among those who can serve bangladesh economic ambitions more...and who could be better then india in this regard..


so, better start thinking about your own intrests.....think about economy.....only the country with strong economy can have respect and can sustain a better armed forces to defend itself...
 
What came to media as "Bangladesh urges Pakistan" had came from indian backed Awami govt and should be read as Awami view ONLY. Most Bangladeshis wants to move on to build better futute.

You express your view and dont speak for whole Bangladesh.
Dont denigrate yourself and be proud of a Bangladeshi. We are no more in 70's when Bangladesh was broke and had to put up with all kind of BS from everybody. We are strong now and dont need India or Pakistan to look for future.

And we came so far with our own and not from anybody's mercy.
 
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“Prime Minister of Pakistan declared that he would visit Bangladesh in response to the invitation of the Prime Minister of Bangladesh”

Was the Prime Minister of Pakistan formally invited by the Prime Minister of Bangladesh?

14. In this connection the three Ministers noted that the matter should be viewed in the context of the determination of the three countries to continue resolutely to work for reconciliation. The Minister further noted that following recognition, the Prime Minister of Pakistan declared that he would visit Bangladesh in response to the invitation of the Prime Minister of Bangladesh and appeal to the people of Bangladesh, to forgive and forget the mistakes of the past. Similarly, the Prime Minister of Bangladesh had declared with regard to the atrocities and destruction committed in Bangladesh in 1971 that he wanted the people to forget the past and to make a fresh start, stating that the people of Bangladesh knew how to forgive.

Yes he was and pursued repeatedly. But the process stopped after Bhutto and Mujib gone away from the scene.

We want to see that happen for the sake of Human Civilization (which is absent in south asia till this day) and want to see Pakistan a part of it.

According to the clause 14 the 195 prisoner of war can not be prosecuted. But there is case and the clause can be called void if the formal apology is not made to the victims of 1971.
 
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You are funny.. the sake of human civilization..my ***.You want to do it to act like Indian Whores.We don't want to rape your sisters and mothers again so if you dont like us just break relationship with Pakistan..period.

You are not doing the Pakistan case any good by talking like that. We know the Indians and their lackeys are trying impose their aagenda on PDF so fight them with logic. None of them have logic and are resorting to emotion and sentiment. If Pakistan is prosecuted for war crimes then so should India and reparations demanded for looting the country after the war. Indian atrocities against Bangladesh have continued after 1971 but these so-called patriotic Bangladeshis here seem to forget that.
 
I think both Pakistan and Bangladesh need to move forward. 1971 was very painful for both sides, and blaming each other will not solve the problem, in fact it will be unproductive and create a strain bewteen both sides. If there were any cases of crimes committed by Pakistani soliders, then they should be prosecuted. Even though we have are differences in the past, I still pray that we can build bridges with Bangladesh and lift the barriers bewteen us and that both Pakistan and Bangladesh can succeed to become strong militarily and economically. We need to have unity bewteen us and take inspiration from Saludeen who is a prime example of what can be achieved if we stick together not as friends but as Brothers. And to Dhaka if you don't like Pakistani's then why are you in this forum, it seems to me you only came here to troll.

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Whoever Bangladesh chooses as her ally is her business. As a Pakistani, given Musharraf's statement on his visit to Bangladesh, I do not support another 'apology' unless a mutually agreed upon commission investigates the events around 1971 and determines what really happened.

I personally find the claims of 'genocide' and '3 million killed' to be outright distortions and lies. Nor do any of those claims recognize the atrocities committed by groups sponsored by the Indians, for which an apology would be owed to those 'non-East Pakistanis' who suffered.

So long as the events of 1971 remain unclear, any more than what Musharraf offered would be inappropriate. The people of both Bangladesh and Pakistan need to know what exactly the apology is for.
 
So long as the events of 1971 remain unclear, any more than what Musharraf offered would be inappropriate. The people of both Bangladesh and Pakistan need to know what exactly the apology is for.


ABC News report from 11/30/1971 shows video of the aftermath of a massacre in a village near Dhaka.
 
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ABC News report from 11/30/1971 shows video of the aftermath of a massacre in a village near Dhaka.
1LDJL_S9Kgs[/media] - Bangladesh Genocide: Village Massacre

That is one village massacre allegedly by the PA - that is not evidence of 3 million dead, hundreds of thousands raped and a genocide.

Even now in Swat dozens of innocent people at a time have been killed by mistake - the same has occurred in Afghanistan and Iraq in US/NATO military action.

I will not say that atrocities were not committed at all, but there is little evidence to support the claims made. This can only be settled thorough a mutually agreed upon commission that investigates these events.
 
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That is one village massacre allegedly by the PA - that is not evidence of 3 million dead, hundreds of thousands raped and a genocide.

Even now in Swat dozens of innocent people at a time have been killed by mistake - the same has occurred in Afghanistan and Iraq in US/NATO military action.

I will not say that atrocities were not committed at all, but there is little evidence to support the claims made. This can only be settled thorough a mutually agreed upon commission that investigates these events.

There is a difference between SWAT or Iraq where civilian died out of artilery fire or air attack. We call them collateral damage or whatever you want to name it. But in bangladesh all the death was by small arms, bayonette or knives (Biharis built slaughter house in Mirpur/Dhaka, Syedpur and other places where they used to use slaughter knives to take off heades).

Now you tell me..........
 
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