Bangladesh Sizes Up Typhoons for Fighter Requirement

[ziaulislam]

Congradulations great buy

 

[_NOBODY_]

eurofighter is probably better then even rafale very good choise for Bangladesh.

i hope Turkey buys also some 100 EFT tranche 4’s, a decade ago UK offered partnership for Eurofighter to Turkey it was a bad decision not to enter the programme.

What is the cost difference between Tranche 4 and F-16 Block 70?

 

[F-6 enthusiast]

If it is backed by UK EF Typhoon is the best choice for Bangladesh Air Force...

the Italians are lobbying for Typhoon in BAF. this was done last year
At this point i think rafale has more chances. Look at the Indonesia purchase

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1047934/20220119_MoD_Annual_Report_and_Accounts_2020-21_print.pdf

 

[EAGLE777]

The cost of the idea you mentioned is at least 20 billion dollars.

Don't worry i will take the costs on myself. It's a gift

What is the cost difference between Tranche 4 and F-16 Block 70?

I am not spokesperson of Lockheed Martin

 

[Bilal9]

Can someone tell me why everyone is rooting for Meteor with EFT. Is this is the new hot ticket for an air-launched missile?

I know it's a BVR missile - but is the hot ticket just about the long range alone (and the multi-shot feature?

And $2 Million a pop is a bit pricey,,,

 

[Trango Towers]

Typhoon running costs are so huge that cetain European nations are getting rid of them

 

[F-6 enthusiast]

Can someone tell me why everyone is rooting for Meteor with EFT. Is this is new hot ticket for an air-launched missile?

I know it's a BVR missile - but is the hot ticket just about the long range alone?

my friend....



First let me start with the Kinematic Performance of the Typhoon
It can supercruise (go supersonic without afterburners) like the rafale but at a higher speed with some payload
It has a higher Top speed
It can climb higher than the rafale
It has a bigger radar (captor E AESA) with more TR modules

why does this matter you may ask ?

well, the range of a missile depends on the launch conditions , speed , altitude , aspect (for both aircraft )
If the fighter is flying high and high speed , the missile will have higher kinetic energy + the density of air is low (reduced drag) vs the alternative

there's also some stuff about how missiles fly to a predicted path rather than actually chasing a bandit.

for example
The range of R-77 is 80km but the effective range is way less than that. DCS isn't real life , but its the closest civilians might get to knowing the capabilities of missiles.

In this experiment the mig only gets the ''Launch Authorisation'' when the hot targets (Diamond and Cross) are within 23km not the advertised 80km.

Everything depends on launch conditions. The Altitude, speed of the aircraft launching the missile and the target aspect hot (heading towards you) or cold (heading away) or flanking. The altitude and speed of the targets also matter. ECM is not taken into account here

the fat bars on the left are Rmax, Rlethal and Rmin



There are many factors that determine range which i have left out , i will leave that to the experts to explain.


typhoon pilot explains how the CAPTOR-E AESA radar gives EFT the information superiority through sensor fusion and massive radar.

Striker 2 helmet second only to the F-35 helmet. combat info and targeting is integrated into the helmet giving excellent situational awareness. the pilot can target. It includes tactical information (in wide angle colour display and night vision). Essentially a heads up diplay on helmet.

compare this with the F-35 helmet

EW system on typhoon (for dealing with s-400)

TLDR: EFT very good

And $2 Million a pop is a bit pricey,,,

costs will go down

The best part of having a long stick is that you don't always have to use it in its intended role

The mere presence of F-14 with the Phoenix missile was enough to deter strike packages into Iran

 

[Bilal9]

my friend....



First let me start with the Kinematic Performance of the Typhoon
It can supercruise (go supersonic without afterburners) like the rafale but at a higher speed with some payload
It has a higher Top speed
It can climb higher than the rafale
It has a bigger radar (captor E AESA) with more TR modules

why does this matter you may ask ?

well, the range of a missile depends on the launch conditions , speed , altitude , aspect (for both aircraft )
If the fighter is flying high and high speed , the missile will have higher kinetic energy + the density of air is low (reduced drag) vs the alternative

there's also some stuff about how missiles fly to a predicted path rather than actually chasing a bandit.

for example
The range of R-77 is 80km but the effective range is way less than that. DCS isn't real life , but its the closest civilians might get to knowing the capabilities of missiles.

In this experiment the mig only gets the ''Launch Authorisation'' when the hot targets (Diamond and Cross) are within 23km not the advertised 80km.

Everything depends on launch conditions. The Altitude, speed of the aircraft launching the missile and the target aspect hot (heading towards you) or cold (heading away) or flanking. The altitude and speed of the targets also matter. ECM is not taken into account here

the fat bars on the left are Rmax, Rlethal and Rmin



There are many factors that determine range which i have left out , i will leave that to the experts to explain.


typhoon pilot explains how the CAPTOR-E AESA radar gives EFT the information superiority through sensor fusion and massive radar.

Striker 2 helmet second only to the F-35 helmet. combat info and targeting is integrated into the helmet giving excellent situational awareness. the pilot can target. It includes tactical information (in wide angle colour display and night vision). Essentially a heads up diplay on helmet.

compare this with the F-35 helmet

EW system on typhoon (for dealing with s-400)

TLDR: EFT very good


costs will go down

The best part of having a long stick is that you don't always have to use it in its intended role

The mere presence of F-14 with the Phoenix missile was enough to deter strike packages into Iran

Great explanation.

Understood about the EFT's superior performance in enhancing meteor range and launch parameters.

I find myself overwhelmed with too many interests for my time available, thanks for bringing me up to speed on something I'm not an expert in.

 

[KrimesKaster]

Bangladesh Sizes Up Typhoons for Fighter Requirement​

by Jon Lake
Feb 11, 2022 - 1:00 AM

Bangladesh has a requirement for 16 new multirole combat aircraft (MRCA) to augment and eventually replace its aging Chengdu F-7s and MiG-29s, and the nation wants to turn westward after decades of purchasing its fighter aircraft from Russia and China. The impetus for the shift came in 2015, with the appointment of a new Chief of the Air Staff, Air Chief Marshal Abu Esrar, who wanted to phase out the Bangladesh Air Force fleet of Russian and Chinese fighters and replace them with Western aircraft. Esrar evaluated the Eurofighter Typhoon at the 2016 Farnborough International Airshow and he reportedly “fell in love with it.” Esrar’s successor, Air Chief Marshal Masihuzzaman Serniabat, appears equally enthusiastic, though a planned evaluation with Leonardo fell victim to the Covid pandemic.

Bangladesh’s Directorate General Defence Purchase (DGDP) launched a tender in 2017 for the purchase of eight fighters, plus options for an additional four, under the Forces Goal 2030 program. Later increased to 16 aircraft, the tender calls for a new-build, twin-engine fighter, with each engine producing at least 12,125 pounds of dry thrust and over 17,635 pounds with afterburner. The minimum payload will be five tonnes with at least eight weapons hardpoints. Additional stipulations call for the new fighter to come with active electronically-scanned array (AESA) radar with an air-to-air range of 93 miles and an air-to-surface range of 31 miles, an infrared search and track (IRST) system, and an integrated electronic warfare (IEW) and electronic countermeasures (ECM) suite.

Bangladesh now fields a modest force of about 44 fighter aircraft, consisting of eight MiG-29s and MiG-29UBs assigned to No. 8 Squadron at Kurmitola (Bangabandhu airbase), the military enclave of Dhaka International Airport, and the survivors of 28 Chengdu F-7BGs and four FT-7BGs assigned to Nos. 5 and 35 Squadrons at the same location. Some 16 older F-7MB and eight FT-7MB aircraft have retired from service. Four of the MiG-29s were updated to MiG-29BM/UBM standards in Belarus between 2019 and 2020 and the remaining four are expected to follow, but they are no match for modern 4.5 generation fighters, while the F-7s are verging on obsolescence.

Under the 2009 Bangladesh Armed Forces Forces Goal 2030 modernization program, the Bangladesh Air Force received 16 Yak-130 advanced jet trainer and light combat aircraft ordered in 2013, and planned to purchase eight Sukhoi Su-30SME aircraft in 2017. Relations with Moscow soured after it supported Myanmar over the Rohingya issue, however, and worsened after Russia agreed to sell the Yak-130 and Su-30 to Myanmar. Dhaka also did not like Moscow’s stipulation that it should buy MiG-35s along with the Su-30, and began seeking a new solution.

Accordingly, the Bangladesh Air Force asked the government to earmark around 25,200 Crore Taka ($3 billion) for 16 Western multi-role fighters with an advance of 6,300 Crore Taka for the financial year 2021-22. That will allow the Bangladesh Air Force to seek a complete package with aircraft, support, training, and a variety of weapons. It must also include the creation of a maintenance, repair, and overhaul (MRO) facility in the country.

Quite apart from the difficulties experienced by Dhaka in reaching an agreement on the Su-30, senior Bangladeshi officers felt that the aircraft would not provide sufficient operational advantage or overmatch because the Su-30 remains the mainstay of regional rivals India and Myanmar. Since the Bangladesh Air Force is so much smaller than those of potential foes it needs to achieve a favorable exchange ratio to impose a sufficiently heavy cost to deter any aggression. Using the same aircraft type would make that harder to achieve.

Western fighters carry significant advantages over Russian and Chinese types, and the Saab Gripen and Lockheed Martin F-16 reportedly have been offered and considered, though Bangladesh now plans to acquire more capable twin-engined fighters. The Dassault Rafale (in service with the Indian Air Force, which could be a drawback) and the Eurofighter Typhoon stand as the aircraft under consideration.

Although Italy is the Eurofighter partner designated to market the aircraft in Bangladesh, it seems likely that the UK also would support any formal campaign. The report following the third Bangladesh-UK strategic dialogue in 2019 stated: “The UK further expressed its readiness to support Bangladesh with procurement of high-caliber multi-role combat aircraft alongside other modernization programs."

Many in the Dhaka defense establishment believe that the Eurofighter Typhoon could give Bangladesh the capability edge it needs and could provide the deterrent capability it has lacked since the country became independent in 1971. For the Bangladesh Air Force, operating the Typhoon would provide a useful route toward forging relationships with the four high-tech Eurofighter partner nations and their air forces, and could provide opportunities to operate and train with the four GCC air arms that also fly the Typhoon.

Bangladesh Sizes Up Typhoons for Fighter Requirement | AIN

Having operated Chinese and Russian equipment for many years, Bangladesh looks to the West for its new fighter equipment.

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What happened to the Su-35 deal that was in rage one or two years back?

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[_NOBODY_]

Don't worry i will take the costs on myself. It's a gift


I am not spokesperson of Lockheed Martin bro

I don't know how expensive Tranche 4 is going to be, if Tranche 4 is going to be around twice as expensive as Block 70 then Block 70 is a much better choice because there's no way that 1 Tranche 4 is going to survive against 2 Block 70s if the pilots are equally skilled.

Great explanation.

Understood about the EFT's superior performance in enhancing meteor range and launch parameters.

I find myself overwhelmed with too many interests for my time available, thanks for bringing me up to speed on something I'm not an expert in.

How many Typhoons will BAF buy?

 

[mb444]

This really is a straight forward choice. EFT is the best air supremacy fighter of its generation. 16 of these would provide enable rudimentary air denial capacity to BAF when currently it has none against IAF. Rafales are multirole and lose in air to air against EFT everytime.

We need 2 sqd of EFT realistically to secure our skies for a generation with other jets, missile defense, unmanned weaponised drones making up the numbers.

 

[alphapak]

If the BAF does go for the Eurofighter then I hope it comes with Aesa and
the meteor.

 

[mb444]

I don't know how expensive Tranche 4 is going to be, if Tranche 4 is going to be around twice as expensive as Block 70 then Block 70 is a much better choice because there's no way that 1 Tranche 4 is going to survive against 2 Block 70s if the pilots are equally skilled.


How many Typhoons will BAF buy?

Why... is block 70 going to be faster, is its service ceiling going to be higher than EFT, will it have greater range or loitering time?
Does it have better rader and weapons package?

I do not believe tranche 4 is going to cost twice as much as the latest F16, however do believe EFT can best block 70 in air-to-air scenario even with 3 or 4 times numerical disadvantage....

It is simply faster, can look down at the air theatre and release its weapons packages before F16 will know its there.... by the time F16 sees meteors coming at it EFT has left the theatre.

Obviously above is a best case scenario for EFT and things are rarely so clear cut.

EFT and F16 are different classes of jets..... BD can theoretically accomodate both. EFT is needed for its twin engine capacity and range. We also have need to replace the single engined F7s. We probably can not afford F16 here and will go chinese

 

[satyamev]

This really is a straight forward choice. EFT is the best air supremacy fighter of its generation. 16 of these would provide enable rudimentary air denial capacity to BAF when currently it has none against IAF. Rafales are multirole and lose in air to air against EFT everytime.

We need 2 sqd of EFT realistically to secure our skies for a generation with other jets, missile defense, unmanned weaponised drones making up the numbers.

Its a very risky procurement with the British and Americans tied at the hip.
The British with their calculated wokeness might come to bite you in the a.., as BD is not a big market like china, where the British give lip service to human rights and business continues as usual.
Expect sanctions on the jets and spares at the most inconvenient time.

 

[mb444]

If the BAF does go for the Eurofighter then I hope it comes with Aesa and
the meteor.

If it does not what would be the point..... although we are talking about BAF...these morons have never missed an opportunity to disappoint and there is every chance unfortunately after all the talk they may end up buying legacy EFT without these cutting edge tech.

Its a very risky procurement with the British and Americans tied at the hip.
The British with their calculated wokeness might come to bite you in the a.., as BD is not a big market like china, where the British give lip service to human rights and business continues as usual.
Expect sanctions on the jets and spares at the most inconvenient time.

I disagree. EFT is primarily a British jet and BD-UK relationship is the closest between BD and any western nation due to history.

British sanction on BD is almost inconceivable. Neither party will allow such deterioration.

BD defense procurement is truely for defense. BD is not about to start any war with its neighbours unless its territorial integrity is directly threatened..... which is not a likely scenario.

I think we are safe here.....and BD will maintain chinese option always just in case...

But these are just academic discussions .... at this stage BAF buying flying bananas would enhance their capacity and would have my enthusiastic support.