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Bangladesh seeks India`s help to set up nuclear reactor

India's fast breeder reactor to run by 2010


April 27, 2007 15:16 IST

India's indigenous prototype Fast Breeder Reactor that can produce 500 megawatts of power at rates cheaper than existing atomic reactors will begin functioning by 2010.

The PFBR, which will remain outside the purview of International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors under the proposed civilian nuclear deal with the US, is being built at Kalpakkam in Tamil Nadu and the construction work is progressing as per schedule.

"Work on the PFBR is on schedule and we expect it to be completed by 2010," Atomic Energy Commission Chairman Anil Kakodkar told reporters in Delhi on Thursday evening.

The PFBR will produce electricity through the recycling of plutonium and depleted uranium recovered from spent fuel of pressurised heavy water reactors.

The technology will allow the nuclear power generation capacity to grow to around 350,000-mw, independent of any additional uranium availability.

The right to reprocessing of the spent fuel from future reactors is one of the contentious issues in the negotiations on the 123 Agreement to operationalise the civilian nuclear deal with the US.

"The unique feature of this reactor is that it produces more fuel than it consumes, thus reducing power generation costs," Kakodkar said.

The reactor is expected to supply electricity to the state grid at Rs. 3.22 a kilowatt hour or 'unit'.

Advanced reactors can produce electricity at Rs 2 a kwhr.

India plans to establish four more nuclear fast breeder reactors to cater to the increasing energy needs.

The prototype is being built with an investment of Rs 3,500 crore approximately. Of the other four reactors in the pipeline, two would be built at Kalpakkam and two elsewhere.

The future reactors are expected to deliver electricity at even lesser cost. Construction work on the first two of the future FBRs will begin in 2011 and will be completed in 2017.

Kakodkar said the pre-licensing review of the Advanced Heavy Water Reactor has been completed by the Atomic Energy Regulatory Board and preparation of the project report was being done.

The construction on the indigenously developed AHWR is expected to begin this year.

A brain child of Kakodkar, the thorium-based AHWR will be a technology demonstrator reactor and take about five to six years to complete.

The reactor, which will cost between Rs 5 and 6 crore per mega watt, has a life span of 100 years and has several innovative safety measures.

India has a four-phased roadmap for utilisation of thorium resources which includes development of AHWRs, Compact High Temperature Reactor and an accelarator driven fast breeder reactors.

India has thorium reserves to the tune of 2.25 lakh tonnes, which have an electricity potential of 1.55 lakh Giga Watt Year.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2007/apr/27reactor.htm
 
Please link what the professor said.It is a fact stated by him?I am not going to take your word on it.
Do you know what an Indian FBR? Why the US needs that desperatly in the Nuke Deal?
India is in its infancy when compared to those nations, except China. Korea?
Korea has a Nuclear Design (http://cns.miis.edu/pubs/week/041109.htm)

Read my edited post above.

Fast breeder reactor is nothing new. And I HIGHLY DOUBT US would be desperately wanting anything from India for a LOOOONG TIME LOL!!!!!!!

Honestly, you guys can build more and bigger FBR, but expect to hear a bigger and more KAAABOOOOOOOOOOM soon. :D

This is the seminar :
Topic : Control Systems for Nuclear Reactors
Speaker: Prof. Binjin Bandyopadhyay, Indian Institute of Technology Bombay, Mumbai, India

Abstract:
This is a rare opportunity to hear about some of the challenges
involved in controlling the core of nuclear fission reactors.

Biography:
B. Bandyopadhyay (S'83-M'88-SM'06) was born in Birbhum Village,
India, in 1956.He received the Bachelor's degree in electronics and
communication engineering from the University of Calcutta, Calcutta,
India, and the Ph.D. degree in electrical engineering from the
Indian Institute of Technology, Delhi, India, in 1978 and 1986
respectively. In 1987, he joined the Interdisciplinary Programme in
Systems and Control Engineering, Indian Institute of Technology
Bombay, Mumbai, India, as a Faculty Member, where he is currently a
Professor and the Convener. He has authored or co-authored more than
200 journal articles and conference papers and two research
monographs in Lecture Notes in Control and Information Science
(Springer-Verlag). His research interests include the areas of
large-scale systems, model reduction, reactor control, smart
structures, periodic output feedback control, fast output feedback
control, and SMC.
 
When FBR became Hot Air?
Americans helping India,lol It was the canadians and the Soviets, shows how much you know

The US supplied India with machines later India replicated the machines.
 
Why would BD go to India istead of China? :confused:


Probably to prevent India accusing us of building nuclear weapons. India is constantly on our back so we have to give them a few crumbs to keep them happy. Also there is a tendency of this interim government to kowtow to India too much and this is being resented by the ordinary Bangladeshis.
 
Read my edited post above.

Fast breeder reactor is nothing new. And I HIGHLY DOUBT US would be desperately wanting anything from India for a LOOOONG TIME LOL!!!!!!!

Honestly, you guys can build more and bigger FBR, but expect to hear a bigger and more KAAABOOOOOOOOOOM soon. :D

Thanks for that, I will check it up.
About the US wanting to know how much Indian's have reached in FBR. It is not a new tech, but it is not a perfected Tech either from Western. Kaboom?, FBR is producing good results. US specificly wanted the FBR in Nuke Deal, which iNdia opposed, Google it up http://www.armscontrolwonk.com/955/safeguarding-breeder-reactors


Interceptor,

Canadians gave the Reactors not AMericans. Poor Pakistan, India has all the help, and havent reach anywhere close to Pak..if thats what you convey, big OK..to you..lol
 
Thanks for that, I will check it up.
About the US wanting to know how much Indian's have reached in FBR. It is not a new tech, but it is not a perfected Tech either from Western. Kaboom?, FBR is producing good results. US specificly wanted the FBR in Nuke Deal, which iNdia opposed, Google it up.

Read again of my previous edited post. I tend to have habit of re-edit my post to add more info. :)

The indian guest lecturer was a specialist in control system. His worry about reactor going "kaboooom", and his solution in that lecture give me the distinct impression that India is still in very elementary phase of nuclear reactor design.


And, DUUUUUUDE! Believe me when I say US doesn't need anything from India for a LOOOONG TIME. I mean no offense to India, each country develop its own progress at its own pace. But to say India is now world leader in FBR you are obviously deluding yourself. US has the capacity and research base and proven capability of designing advanced nuclear reactors. It is advanced enough it can put nuclear reactor on warships, aircraft carriers, submarines, even at one stage a nuclear cruise missile. It has enough results from it's vast nuclear archive and accidents to do simulations on its high performance computing network. (The US Department Of Energy owns the largest and the most sophiscated, highest performing super computers in the world. It currently owns super computers of 1st and 4th place. The BlueGene/L - currently still the world's fastest super computer runs at amazing 131072 gigaflops. Also take note Sandia National Laboratories (part of US DoE) which does mainly nuclear related research owns second fastest super computer in the world aswell. Infact if you scroll down the top 10 list it is dominated by US right now of various government agency relating to nuclear research)

http://www.top500.org/lists/2006/11

By comparison, in the seminar, the indian professor said they use MATLAB (an off the shelf software program) to do their simulation that runs on single IBM PC. Honestly, the level of sophiscation has no comparison to US. He showed his results, and formulae and it was amazingly simplistic with a lot of assumptions (a lot of praying was involved...)

http://www.mathworks.com/products/matlab

India by comparison is still in elementary stage to even understand nuclear reactor design. It is still working through it by trials and errors.
 
Thanks for that, I will check it up.
About the US wanting to know how much Indian's have reached in FBR. It is not a new tech, but it is not a perfected Tech either from Western. Kaboom?, FBR is producing good results. US specificly wanted the FBR in Nuke Deal, which iNdia opposed, Google it up http://www.armscontrolwonk.com/955/safeguarding-breeder-reactors


Interceptor,

Canadians gave the Reactors not AMericans. Poor Pakistan, India has all the help, and havent reach anywhere close to Pak..if thats what you convey, big OK..to you..lol

April 1948
The Indian government assumes direct responsibility for the atomic energy sector. Prime Minister Nehru introduces the Atomic Energy Act before India's Constituent Assembly to create an Atomic Energy Commission (AEC) and the legal framework for its operation. The act, modeled on Britain's Atomic Energy Act, calls for research and development of atomic energy in "complete secrecy." It establishes government ownership of all pertinent raw materials, particularly uranium and thorium. In the ensuing legislative debate over the level of secrecy, Nehru argues that secrecy is necessary to protect Indian materials and "know-how" from exploitation by the industrialized countries and to assure the United States and United Kingdom that if they cooperate with India in this field, their secrets would be protected. In response to parliamentarian S.V. Krishnamurthy Rao's criticism that "secrecy in the UK [United Kingdom] is restricted only for defense purposes," Nehru responds, "I do not know how you are to distinguish between the [defense and atomic energy purposes]." Nehru further states, "If we are to remain abreast in the world as a nation which keeps ahead of things, we must develop this atomic energy quite apart from war—indeed I think we must develop it for the purpose of using it for peaceful purposes....Of course, if we are compelled as a nation to use it for other purposes, possibly no pious sentiments of any of us will stop the nation from using it that way. But I do hope that our outlook in regard to this atomic energy is going to be a peaceful one for the development of human life and happiness and not one of war and hatred."
—Constituent Assembly of India (Legislative Debates), 2d sess., vol. 5, April 6, 1948, pp. 3315, 3328, 3333-34, cited in George Perkovich, India's Nuclear Bomb: The Impact on Global Proliferation (Berkeley: University of California Press, 1999), p. 18.

http://www.nti.org/e_research/profiles/India/Nuclear/2296.html

There is more.

I never said India didn't steal canadian technology.
 
Overseer,

You got me wrong, US is definitly ahead; is there a need to debate it. But Indian Advancement in FBR tech is a well documented fact. Its not that US needs the Tech from India, Its about US making sure India doesnt make any progress on its own, as well as US taking a look at the famed Indian FBR tech. Whatever innovative methods Indian scientist have made, would be made public by US putting FBR under IAEA safegaurds. US is not interested in FBR tech for its own use, Its interested in Indian FBR tech, to understand India better.
 
Well why complain then? Isn't what the US doing exactly what India does to its neighbours and that is why Bangladesh has to offer first to India the opportunity to build its nuclear reactors before it goes any where else with the offer. These are the few crumbs that Bangladesh is expected to grant India as the big bully in the neighbourhood. Only most Bangladeshis would hope that the present interim government would stand up to India and do things more in the nations interests rather than in India's.
 
Overseer,

You got me wrong, US is definitly ahead; is there a need to debate it. But Indian Advancement in FBR tech is a well documented fact. Its not that US needs the Tech from India, Its about US making sure India doesnt make any progress on its own, as well as US taking a look at the famed Indian FBR tech. Whatever innovative methods Indian scientist have made, would be made public by US putting FBR under IAEA safegaurds. US is not interested in FBR tech for its own use, Its interested in Indian FBR tech, to understand India better.

Okay, I see, my apology for misunderstanding your post. :)
 
Well why complain then? Isn't what the US doing exactly what India does to its neighbours and that is why Bangladesh has to offer first to India the opportunity to build its nuclear reactors before it goes any where else with the offer. These are the few crumbs that Bangladesh is expected to grant India as the big bully in the neighbourhood. Only most Bangladeshis would hope that the present interim government would stand up to India and do things more in the nations interests rather than in India's.

I have to say you crack me up, few crumbs. Please do tell me that you are paying Ready cash, not asking us for credit again
 
For all those who were speaking abt India evil deisgns in neighbouring S Asian countries, this should come as a slap in the face. Why would the 'natural brother' Pakistan and big boy in the region China be overlooked by B'desh.
 

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