Bangladesh Navy

[bluesky]

Even if Bangladesh orders Fighters jets in 2017, delivery won't take place before 2020.

There are reasons to believe that the jets have already been ordered a few years back and will join BAF before June next year.

 

[mb444]

There are reasons to believe that the jets have already been ordered a few years back and will join BAF before June next year.

Please elaborate why you think jets have already been purchased. Thanks.

 

[Dean Winchester]

There are reasons to believe that the jets have already been ordered a few years back and will join BAF before June next year.

That doesnt happen nowadays.

 

[帅的一匹]

I am really confused about your contradictory statements.

If these subs are no threat why bother commenting?

BD can only achieve deterrence capabilities as long as India does not perceive a threat!!! Against whom do you suppose we are seeking deference against. What are subs other than a completely offensive platform.

The subs according to you are obsolete yet you commend BN for getting them.

It is irrelevant what India has, BN does not require parity. BN needs to assure BD sovereignty and these fulfil the aim of area denial. Other navies simply knowing of the existence of BN subs will think twice before venturing into BN territory and should they do so need to come with an whole shebang of ASW platforms. That won't happen unless we are at war which I don't see as realistic.

The point of the article was not the Subs per se but that BD has officially joined the Chinese string of pearls alliance against India/US axis. The status quo has been shattered and there is nothing that US/India can do about it. If this article is part of a psy-war then it's very poor and much much too late, the damage has already been done and no amount of mea culpa will alter the current or future course of events.

How come BD join the so called pearl of strings for just buying two subs from China? if India can produce decent subs, BD also will consider it. Don't blame other because your own incompetency. Simple as that!

 

[mb444]

How come BD join the so called pearl of strings for just buying two subs from China? if India can produce decent subs, BD also will consider it. Don't blame other because your own incompetency. Simple as that!

Umm......What are you talking about? Whose incompetency. Based on what I have said it is strange that you have come to the conclusion I have issues with BD acquiring these or any other subs.

Have you actually read the article. The issue is not about the subs, it is all about recalibration of BD away from US towards china.

US expected quite unrealistically that status quo by other nations will continue as is creates a U.S./India pivot in the region.

BD has joined the string of pearls in my opinion as the relationship between the two nation have been formally upgraded. The subs and other military purchases are just one aspect of this multidimensional coordination between the two countries.

 

[帅的一匹]

Umm......What are you talking about? Whose incompetency. Based on what I have said it is strange that you have come to the conclusion I have issues with BD acquiring these or any other subs.

Have you actually read the article. The issue is not about the subs, it is all about recalibration of BD away from US towards china.

US expected quite unrealistically that status quo by other nations will continue as is creates a U.S./India pivot in the region.

There is no India/ USA pivot ever! How many years have you been friend with Unites state of America? India is no more than a chess price of the Yankees. As many Indian members claimed that India liberated BD from 'Evil' Pakistan hands, why they seem don't like you nowadays? Things changed bro, there is no pivot from start to end.

 

[Nike]

Inability to maintain and service them.

for the Cakra class they are still running even though we bought them in 1980.

for the Pasopati class (Romeo class) we got 12 of them in 1960 and retiring the last of them in 1990's, after 30 year of usage. Although we are severing our ties with Soviet in 1965.

So far all seemed logical.

Or Bangladesh Navy want to taste our underwater forces for good if you want to know we are capable or not to maintain them?

 

[BDforever]

Or Bangladesh Navy want to taste our underwater forces for good if you want to know we are capable or not to maintain them?

C'mon ! ! ! ! BOOM BOOOM BBrrrrrrrrrrr BOOM

 

[Nike]

 

[TopCat]

How come BD join the so called pearl of strings for just buying two subs from China? if India can produce decent subs, BD also will consider it. Don't blame other because your own incompetency. Simple as that!

BD will not consider Indian sub even if they produced them. Just few days ago I inquired about recent regular purchase of BD army and what I found is incredible. They are still buying stuffs from Pakistan. When inquired about India, not even a single screw ever purchased from India in the last 40 years.

 

[bluesky]

How come BD join the so called pearl of strings for just buying two subs from China? if India can produce decent subs, BD also will consider it. Don't blame other because your own incompetency. Simple as that!

The purchase is certainly an effort to deny IN and MN access to our sea zone in the BoB. But, the Indian side may see the purchase from a different angle, a part of Pearl of Strings. Note one thing. Considering the mindset of BD people as well as the geopolitics of the region we live in, there is almost no prospect of buying made-in-India submarines whatever may be the quality. By the nature of training and due to historical reasons, our military is taught to treat India and Burma as foe states. So, can a country buy weapons from its foe?

 

[mb444]

for the Cakra class they are still running even though we bought them in 1980.

for the Pasopati class (Romeo class) we got 12 of them in 1960 and retiring the last of them in 1990's, after 30 year of usage. Although we are severing our ties with Soviet in 1965.

So far all seemed logical.

Or Bangladesh Navy want to taste our underwater forces for good if you want to know we are capable or not to maintain them?

You sought clarification as to the reference to Indonesian sub .... Article and conversation referenced Indonesias problem In maintaining its sub fleet, which is what I clarified. The point of discussion was BD should establish proper maintenance and operational infrastructure, doctrine and plan to avoid the same kind of issues. Other forum members pointed out BD just did not buy the subs but also bought maintenance infastructure and have long standing no strings defence relationship with China thus Indonesian scenario is not envisaged.

Indonesia does not have operational reach in to BD waters.... I was not insulting Indonesia simply answering your question.

Next time perhaps read through the thread before responding.

There is no India/ USA pivot ever! How many years have you been friend with Unites state of America? India is no more than a chess price of the Yankees. As many Indian members claimed that India liberated BD from 'Evil' Pakistan hands, why they seem don't like you nowadays? Things changed bro, there is no pivot from start to end.

I have to disagree. US is seeking to prevent rise of China by establishing various alliances as it is now longer able to exercise uncontested dominence over Asian waters. In East Asia its US/Japan alliance challenging a newly assertive China. In SCS it is seeking to get ASEAN nations aboard and in the IOR its pivot is with India.

Obviously as US seeks to create new alliances old alliances are destroyed. We have seen Philippines spectacularly dump US.

In the case of BD, yes historically US has been the critical point of reference strategically. But it has always been as a result of the Russia-India calculus.

BD became an indendent state from an United Pakistan because of a civil war and for internal reasons. Our external situation outlook remains static. Our prime strategic threat eminates from India and we will act to protect ourselves.

BD has pursued ever closer interaction with China since establishment of diplomatic relationship. China is BDs biggest trading partner, BD is China's second biggest defense customer, China is the largest infastructure development partner of BD, etc.

As India moved closer to US post collapse of the USSR so has BD moved closer to China. With the visit couple of months ago of the premier and official statement from both government that there is an upgrade of relationship between the countries I do believe BD has in all but name fully recalibrated its strategic outlook away from USA to China.

 

[帅的一匹]

Yeh, USA wanna contain China as always. Let it be, we will buckle down and do our own job. China don't wanna any country to sacrifice its own interests for our own benefits. Now BD is till dependent on India somehow economically. Like The Padma bridge is for connecting China/ Myamar/ BD/India to boost trading. I'm not happy is that The arrogance some Indian members show in this thread as BD is not independent country! BD will not give up inducting subs as Mr. Parrikar just gift some cheap OPV instead. China is never a bully, just looks at the neighbors around us are getting richer and richer by doing business with us.

 

[Nike]

You sought clarification as to the reference to Indonesian sub .... Article and conversation referenced Indonesias problem In maintaining its sub fleet, which is what I clarified. The point of discussion was BD should establish proper maintenance and operational infrastructure, doctrine and plan to avoid the same kind of issues. Other forum members pointed out BD just did not buy the subs but also bought maintenance infastructure and have long standing no strings defence relationship with China thus Indonesian scenario is not envisaged.

Indonesia does not have operational reach in to BD waters.... I was not insulting Indonesia simply answering your question.

Next time perhaps read through the thread before responding.



I have to disagree. US is seeking to prevent rise of China by establishing various alliances as it is now longer able to exercise uncontested dominence over Asian waters. In East Asia its US/Japan alliance challenging a newly assertive China. In SCS it is seeking to get ASEAN nations aboard and in the IOR its pivot is with India.

Obviously as US seeks to create new alliances old alliances are destroyed. We have seen Philippines spectacularly dump US.

In the case of BD, yes historically US has been the critical point of reference strategically. But it has always been as a result of the Russia-India calculus.

BD became an indendent state from an United Pakistan because of a civil war and for internal reasons. Our external situation outlook remains static. Our prime strategic threat eminates from India and we will act to protect ourselves.

BD has pursued ever closer interaction with China since establishment of diplomatic relationship. China is BDs biggest trading partner, BD is China's second biggest defense customer, China is the largest infastructure development partner of BD, etc.

As India moved closer to US post collapse of the USSR so has BD moved closer to China. With the visit couple of months ago of the premier and official statement from both government that there is an upgrade of relationship between the countries I do believe BD has in all but name fully recalibrated its strategic outlook away from USA to China.

I merely stating the fact if Indonesia had much longer tradition in underwater warfare compared to many Nation in the region and still maintain them until now. Those experience cant be bought in any market out there including lur capability to maintain and operate them for so long.

quite the smart *** are you, Indonesia area alone cover an area as large as Whole Europe, and the fact we can established a Country which cover such large area through effective military occupation, military threat and Diplomacy is an assessment of our far reaching military ability. Jakarta Merauke range alone is far distance than Jakarta Dhaka if you learn geography rightly, so if we can established and sent a fleet of Navy to Papua, we can cover Bengal bay within our Navy reach. Thats why India is rightly know who is the biggest threat for their holding over Andaman and Nicobar, nor China nor Myanmar actually. Luckily Indonesia appear to be docile nowadays compared to our bloody past.

 

[rome333]

Yeh, USA wanna contain China as always. Let it be, we will buckle down and do our own job. China don't wanna any country to sacrifice its own interests for our own benefits. Now BD is till dependent on India somehow economically. Like The Padma bridge is for connecting China/ Myamar/ BD/India to boost trading. I'm not happy is that The arrogance some Indian members show in this thread as BD is not independent country! BD will not give up inducting subs as Mr. Parrikar just gift some cheap OPV instead. China is never a bully, just looks at the neighbors around us are getting richer and richer by doing business with us.

Correction: Mr. Parikar offered OPV which our Navy rejected as we build our own now a days. He gifted us some replica of helicopters though!!