Bangladesh Navy

[Bilal9]

I believe we are getting Type 035B, does it have MTU engine?

Also, the two Type 035B we are getting, will they be refitted with new engine, sonar, navigation system and weapons systems?

I believe they use Shaanxi diesels (local Chinese production). The Chinese powerplants and electric motors for these are still a vast improvement over those of the Soviet Romeo class they were copied from.

Excerpt from Global Security:

"The No.714 Institute, responsible for designing underwater power equipment, designed the large power propelling electromotor and its corresponding control equipment and gave it to Xiangtan Electromotor Factory for trial-production. The lnstitute also selected the medium-speed diesel trial-produced by Shaanxi Diesel Factory, and increased the batteries to four groups. So the power of the underwater power plant was greatly increased. A high efficiency propeller was also designed. Due to adopting these measures, with the submarine volumetric displacement not increasing very much in comparison with the improved version of Soviet medium-sized conventional-powered submarine, her underwater propelling power and the battery energy was doubled, thus ensuring the submarine's propulsion characteristics."

BD is getting Type035G

If BDforever and his source are correct then these 035G's are relatively new-builds (and only built in late late 90's or early 2000's).

 

[Bilal9]

BN should keep any eye on Type 23 FFG from Royal Navy the remaining first is to retire would be around 2020-2022 and the last one in 2030 but by than better Chinese Ships at right costs would be available affordable.

We don't know maybe Royal Navy offer them for sales even earlier in 2020s.

Type 23 frigate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

While this is a great suggestion, I believe these will need an extensive refits and missile upgrades by that time as all the systems for this class of vessel will be heavily obsolete (including harpoons). However given a great price - why not?

For more immediate BN needs I think the USCG cutter was a great 'purchase' for BN (with necessary refit) and BN could go for one more - just like the 'Oliver Hazard Perry (OHP) class' was for Pakistan. A caveat is that the OHP class in its present USN form doesn't have sufficient surface combat or anti-aircraft combat capability and will again need extensive missile upgrades, probably starting with Chinese FM90.

Does the OHP have VLS as transferred?

 

[BDforever]

If BDforever and his source are correct then these 035G's are relatively new-builds (and only built in late late 90's or early 2000's).

China to Sell Bangladesh 2 Submarines | The Diplomat

Note: Type 035G: Program begun in 1985, and the first unit with pennant number 356 was lunched in 1989, entering service in December 1990, and state certification received in 1993. This is the first Type 035 series to have anti-submarine (ASW) capability. The primary weaponry for Type 035G is Yu-3 torpedo, and French sonar DUUX-5 and its Chinese built version were used on later units, 12 of which were completed between 1990 to 1999. The last unit with pennant number 308 was lengthened by 2 meters to add a section for AIP tests

 

[aliaselin]

I believe they use Shaanxi diesels (local Chinese production). The Chinese powerplants and electric motors for these are still a vast improvement over those of the Soviet Romeo class they were copied from.

Excerpt from Global Security:

"The No.714 Institute, responsible for designing underwater power equipment, designed the large power propelling electromotor and its corresponding control equipment and gave it to Xiangtan Electromotor Factory for trial-production. The lnstitute also selected the medium-speed diesel trial-produced by Shaanxi Diesel Factory, and increased the batteries to four groups. So the power of the underwater power plant was greatly increased. A high efficiency propeller was also designed. Due to adopting these measures, with the submarine volumetric displacement not increasing very much in comparison with the improved version of Soviet medium-sized conventional-powered submarine, her underwater propelling power and the battery energy was doubled, thus ensuring the submarine's propulsion characteristics."



If BDforever and his source are correct then these 035G's are relatively new-builds (and only built in late late 90's or early 2000's).

The engine is 6E390ZC series, and Shaanxi is the diesel factory name. Engine difference from Romeo class can be easily understand if we consider that type 035 have a larger loaded but 40% maximum speed increase.

 

[BDforever]

The engine is 6E390ZC series, and Shaanxi is the diesel factory name. Engine difference from Romeo class can be easily understand if we consider that type 035 have a larger loaded but 40% maximum speed increase.

do you know which two hull numbers contained subs sold to BD ?

The engine is 6E390ZC series, and Shaanxi is the diesel factory name. Engine difference from Romeo class can be easily understand if we consider that type 035 have a larger loaded but 40% maximum speed increase.

Type035G 's export varient explored in 2003 during AIP test

 

[aliaselin]

do you know which two hull numbers contained subs sold to BD ?


Type035G 's export varient explored in 2003 during AIP test

Not yet. All the information now is not confirmed, and we need official news.

 

[BDforever]

Not yet. All the information now is not confirmed, and we need official news.

what about type056 corvette info ?

 

[aliaselin]

what about type056 corvette info ?

Several days ago，some people said there would be new ship launched in Wuchang Shipyard，and don't know it is our 5,000 ton coast guard ship or your type 056

 

[Bilal9]

what about type056 corvette info ?

Not to derail Chinese boat topic...

A piece of important news is that the US Homeland Security budget for 2015 (now out) mentions that the sixth and seventh WHEC (High Endurance Cutter, same class as BN F28 Somudro Joy, ex- USCG Jarvis) will be decommissioned . New national security cutters (NSCs) will replace the WHEC fleet. Please see this PDF document and page 85.

Also the following document (2nd Paragraph) mentions Bangladesh Navy Chief of Naval Staff (CNS) Vice Adm. M.F. Habib confirming that "One more WHEC will be acquired by next year", meaning in late 2014.

Eibar du-e du-e char milao !

 

[Luftwaffe]

While this is a great suggestion, I believe these will need an extensive refits and missile upgrades by that time as all the systems for this class of vessel will be heavily obsolete (including harpoons). However given a great price - why not?

For more immediate BN needs I think the USCG cutter was a great 'purchase' for BN (with necessary refit) and BN could go for one more - just like the 'Oliver Hazard Perry (OHP) class' was for Pakistan. A caveat is that the OHP class in its present USN form doesn't have sufficient surface combat or anti-aircraft combat capability and will again need extensive missile upgrades, probably starting with Chinese FM90.

Does the OHP have VLS as transferred?

You can read up these Type 23 FFGs are 20 years ahead of OHP. Although the last and latest 2 FFGs might be phased out by 2030 [estimate dates 2036 but unlikely]...Who knows some Navy might ask to purchase them. Extensive refits might not be that costly, OHP PN are getting are estimated 34-36 Years old compare Type 23 FFG I think these would still be great to get in late 2020s and after further refits/upgrades it could serve another 15+ Years.

 

[Bilal9]

Not to derail Chinese boat topic...

A piece of important news is that the US Homeland Security budget for 2015 (now out) mentions that the sixth and seventh WHEC (High Endurance Cutter, same class as BN F28 Somudro Joy, ex- USCG Jarvis) will be decommissioned . New national security cutters (NSCs) will replace the WHEC fleet. Please see this PDF document and page 85.

Also the following document (2nd Paragraph) mentions Bangladesh Navy Chief of Naval Staff (CNS) Vice Adm. M.F. Habib confirming that "One more WHEC will be acquired by next year", meaning in late 2014.

Eibar du-e du-e char milao !

By the way - the sixth and seventh WHEC (High Endurance Cutter) which will be decommissioned from the US Coast Guard this and next year are, USCGC Sherman (WHEC-720) and USCGC Gallatin (WHEC-721) respectively

The USCGC Gallatin (WHEC-721) has already been transferred to the Nigerian Navy as NNS Okpabana.

That leaves USCGC Sherman (WHEC-720) which may be the candidate in late 2014 or early 2015 for transfer to BN. USCGC Sherman is currently homeported in San Diego, California. USCGC Morgenthau took the place of USCGC Jarvis (now BNS Somudro Joy) in Hawaii.

With these six decommissionings, the USCGC will finish transferring two each of the High Endurance Cutters to the navies of Nigeria, Bangladesh and the Philippines.

 

[Bilal9]

Several days ago，some people said there would be new ship launched in Wuchang Shipyard，and don't know it is our 5,000 coast guard ship or your type 056

Let's hope for good news. Most reliable reports indicate that arrival of first 056 class to Bangladesh will be late 2014~early 2015.

Which means that the launch (flotation of hull in water) of 056 class right now makes sense. It takes at least four to six months to build superstructure and fitting of ECM, radar, missile and armament systems in a ship the size of 056 class..

 

[Nike]

I think, Bangladesh economy is still robust and have a good performance and they can sustain adequate Navy and Air Forces. Regarding Bangladesh perceived thread is always will coming from land, so their Navy main task is to support their ground forces and prevent some Naval Blockade from their adversary. And is a good thing if BN to build some surface attack groups fleet, ASW capability and underwater forces to prevent such blockade scenarios.

Either way we can see, Vietnam with just less half of their GDP can afford to build a force must be reckoned with. Right now they had around 36 Newly built Su-30MK/MKK Flanker with 12 Su-30MKK on order, 160 Su-22 Fitter (more than 80 they bought secondhand units from Poland after Poland retiring them in 2004-2008), more than 100 Mig-21 (almost all of them had been retrofitted). And for Naval forces, they got themselves around 10 unit of Molniya Class missile boats, 6 newly built Gepard class Frigate, ordering 2 SIGMA corvette, and 6 newly built Kilo class subs. Not to mention they also operating more ASW helicopter than the rest of ASEAN countries.

 

[Ideas_R_Bulletproof]

I think, Bangladesh economy is still robust and have a good performance and they can sustain adequate Navy and Air Forces. Regarding Bangladesh perceived thread is always will coming from land, so their Navy main task is to support their ground forces and prevent some Naval Blockade from their adversary. And is a good thing if BN to build some surface attack groups fleet, ASW capability and underwater forces to prevent such blockade scenarios.

Either way we can see, Vietnam with just less half of their GDP can afford to build a force must be reckoned with. Right now they had around 36 Newly built Su-30MK/MKK Flanker with 12 Su-30MKK on order, 160 Su-22 Fitter (more than 80 they bought secondhand units from Poland after Poland retiring them in 2004-2008), more than 100 Mig-21 (almost all of them had been retrofitted). And for Naval forces, they got themselves around 10 unit of Molniya Class missile boats, 6 newly built Gepard class Frigate, ordering 2 SIGMA corvette, and 6 newly built Kilo class subs. Not to mention they also operating more ASW helicopter than the rest of ASEAN countries.

thats one of the more rational posts I've seen in this forum here..... you've realised a very important part of Bangladesh's defence that most fail to realise.... most people fail to address the fact that 80% of Bangladesh's trade is seaborne.... and its the easiest to blockade the Bay of Bengal due to its funnel shape.... an effective blockade would mean you can kiss goodbye to all of your fancy strategies..... latest generation MBT, fifth generation fighter aircraft, etc. count to nothing...... Bangladesh would starve within a month or two.... bypassing a blockade of the Bay of Bengal has to be considered the top priority of any strategist here..... and most people fail to realise how difficult this blockade-running can be.... nobody hasn't put a scale on the map to understand this......

 

[BDforever]

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