Bangladesh Navy

[Destranator]

Think you missed the point.

Just what critical need would 2 extra Type-53H3 frigates fill for BN? Not much is the answer.

Better to have spent the money building up the fleet of Type-056 corvettes. They do slightly different things but still it is better to buy new vessels of one type and standardise on them.

This way you have a joined up plan to build the Navy up over many decades. No other Navy in the world is doing what BN is doing in terms of buying more 2nd hand ships than new ones and there is a good reason why.

The main goal of BN is to increase and maintain surface presence in the BoB which the frigates are fullfilling regardless of what systems they carry.

Second hand frigates are cheaper and ready to operate.

Let us look at it this way:

We both agree that a frigate is more than just a fancy metal superstructure floating around in conformance with the Archimedes Principle and studded with cool gadgets.

A frigate is a mini military base and organisation. It has highly specialised manpower on board who need to be trained, equipped, fed, rostered, performance managed, etc.

It takes a lot of time to build this ecosystem.
By buying used frigates, BN is creating platforms for these ecosystems to grow which can be transferred over to newer platforms when they arrive.

These ecosystems cannot be created hastily overnight when new frigates arrive.
(@The Ronin you see why I abuse BAF so much? No amount of jet trainers can create ecosystems for fighter jets)

Now as to why BN is uniquely "obsessed" with second hand frigates:
BN's situation is quite unique for the following reasons:
- Formidable adversaries on both sides necessitating surface presence round the clock
- Low risk of actual military conflict
- Generally anti-military spending public opinion
- Lack of trained manpower to man additional frigates

 

[The Ronin]

Just what critical need would 2 extra Type-53H3 frigates fill for BN? Not much is the answer.

Better to have spent the money building up the fleet of Type-056 corvettes. They do slightly different things but still it is better to buy new vessels of one type and standardise on them.

Longer range, endurance, more weapons and sensors, hanger facility. Per Type-56 cost $100 million and will take minimum three years to commission while we got two Type 53H3 in 2.5 years i guess. Doubt they cost $100 million each.

@LKJ86

 

[Michael Corleone]

You can't replace frigates with corvettes.

The time and money is just not there for buying enough new frigates so it has to be a mix of old and new. Mind you one of the 53H3's is a replacement rather than an addition.

Given the size of the EEZ and strength of IN and MN, we need at least 15-20 frigates. We cannot afford to wait around hoping for a dozen brand new frigates to magically arrive by 2030.

There is also an active consideration in BN for going all NATO-standard in the future. This would mean Chinese systems would gradually have to get pushed out after 2030. That is another justification for buying old, cheap Chinese frigates which can be dumped in 15-20 years time.

BAF should learn from BN and buy/lease used J-10s and/or Gripens BESIDES buying new fighters.

Well, 2 h3 on order aren’t replacements of any other frigates

 

[UKBengali]

These ecosystems cannot be created hastily overnight when new frigates arrive.
(@The Ronin you see why I abuse BAF so much? No amount of jet trainers can create ecosystems for fighter jets)

Now as to why BN is uniquely "obsessed" with second hand frigates:
BN's situation is quite unique for the following reasons:
- Formidable adversaries on both sides necessitating surface presence round the clock
- Low risk of actual military conflict
- Generally anti-military spending public opinion
- Lack of trained manpower to man additional frigates

I think you are giving BN a pass since BAF are so much worse.

What would stop the sailors being trained on the current frigates which number 7 and 9 if you count the 2 Hamilton Class? The next-gen programme only calls for 6 and that would stretch out over a decade and so not like the skilled manpower would not be available as the new frigates come into service.

As for your answers to why BN is obsessed with 2nd hand ships, well these frigates are overkill for Myanmar and no challenge to India.

Like I say BD defence spending is 5 billion US dollars a year and so there are funds to buy to have built up a larger number of Type-056 corvettes.

I am not against BN buying 2nd hand stuff as I think the two modernised Mings were a good purchase since the funds simply were not available to buy new submarines back in 2014 but now they are just buying 2nd hand junk after junk.

BN needs to figure out whether it believes in a high-tech future or one of always looking in the past.

 

[Destranator]

Well, 2 h3 on order aren’t replacements of any other frigates

Osman

 

[Destranator]

I think you are giving BN a pass since BAF are so much worse.

What would stop the sailors being trained on the current frigates which number 7 and 9 if you count the 2 Hamilton Class? The next-gen programme only calls for 6 and that would stretch out over a decade and so not like the skilled manpower would not be available as the new frigates come into service.

As for your answers to why BN is obsessed with 2nd hand ships, well these frigates are overkill for Myanmar and no challenge to India.

Like I say BD defence spending is 5 billion US dollars a year and so there are funds to buy to have built up a larger number of Type-056 corvettes.

I am not against BN buying 2nd hand stuff as I think the two modernised Mings were a good purchase since the funds simply were not available to buy new submarines back in 2014 but now they are just buying 2nd hand junk after junk.

BN needs to figure out whether it believes in a high-tech future or one of always looking in the past.

I think we are just going around in circles.

I will stop with three key points for you to consider:
- You cannot create compliment for 15 frigates with the manpower of 9. We need max surface presence which is more important from a geo-political perspective than having a handful of advanced frigates that cannot cover enough waters. 15 frigates regardless of age offer you platforms for launching 15x8 AShMs in the deep sea. This is formidable no matter how you look at it.

- The ecosystems from used frigates can be transferred over to new advanced frigates in 10-15 years time.

- The defence budget is mostly eaten up by upkeep. It is not like $5 bn in cash is lying around for BN to spend. We do not have the money to have 15 advanced frigates while 6 is not enough. Solution: Mix of cutting edge and junk.

 

[Michael Corleone]

Osman

Other one will be named Khalid bin waleed.

 

[Shorisrip]

Other one will be named Khalid bin waleed.

We're probably one of the few nations that name ships on people that are not even related to our history. They could choose from so many Muslim Bengali figures if they wanted but alas. You'll never Arabs or non-Arabs like Turks or Iranians etc doing that. I guess, being a less developed nation, people have yet to develop a secure national identity.

 

[DalalErMaNodi]

We're probably one of the few nations that name ships on people that are not even related to our history. They could choose from so many Muslim Bengali figures if they wanted but alas. You'll never Arabs or non-Arabs like Turks or Iranians etc doing that. I guess, being a less developed nation, people have yet to develop a secure national identity.

It's what I like to call "Pretentious religiosity (or piety)".

 

[Destranator]

Other one will be named Khalid bin waleed.

We're probably one of the few nations that name ships on people that are not even related to our history. They could choose from so many Muslim Bengali figures if they wanted but alas. You'll never Arabs or non-Arabs like Turks or Iranians etc doing that. I guess, being a less developed nation, people have yet to develop a secure national identity.

It's what I like to call "Pretentious religiosity (or piety)".

Sounds Muslim AF though. 10/10 points for virtue signalling to the dumb populace.

 

[Michael Corleone]

We're probably one of the few nations that name ships on people that are not even related to our history. They could choose from so many Muslim Bengali figures if they wanted but alas. You'll never Arabs or non-Arabs like Turks or Iranians etc doing that. I guess, being a less developed nation, people have yet to develop a secure national identity.

Yeah. I’m disappointed they haven’t named any ships named after 1971 heroes

 

[DalalErMaNodi]

Sounds Muslim AF though. 10/10 points for virtue signalling to the dumb populace.

Gotta keep the sheep in line and bleating.


We need a BNS Idune Al - Amriki (Rahimahullah), BNS Dalal and a BNS Bal Sal.



Our first destroyer should be christened BNS Jongi and our Helicopter Carrier (long shot I know) BNS Dhongi.

 

[mb444]

Yeah. I’m disappointed they haven’t named any ships named after 1971 heroes

I dont see any issues with naming based on islamic personalities but i agree it should be named after our heroes on whose shoulders this nation was created.

 

[SpaceMan18]

Older frigates aren't bad , we can definitely put some new radars and equip them with EW and better cruise missiles.

Still don't know why this Frigate project is taking so long , France recently got another new FREEM class frigate out.

 

[ghost250]

antiship missile firing from type 021 fast attack missile boat!!