I believe you are from the rapistan of earth! I know you guys are not properly civilized! But, on internet try to act like civilized one.
Do not just lie and give an excuse. In reality, the progress during the 23 years of Pakistan time was much above the progress BD made during the first 23 years of its separate journey in 1971. I am not here to name everything but search for yourself. Even Motijheel and your BIMAN head office there were built in Pakistan time.
BD did decent during Zia's time and Ershad's early days. Also many activities were initiated during Ayub Khan's time. But BD lagged behind compared to the western wing. War and Mujib's era pushed BD back a lot. So, it isn't that far off to say BD wasn't much better off in 1976 than it was in 1947.
Thanks @Bilal9 bhai for the translation of this status. now non Bengali guys also can learn.What you are positing is the common intellectual notion that Prakrit was some type of derived half-breed Sanskrit.
I will respectfully disagree with this and call this accepted notion among Hindi-speaking scholars to be erroneous.
Please see post no. 129 above by @Centaur bhai which describes how Bengali scholars such as Pinaki Bhattacharya and Dr. Muhammad Shahidullah of the 19th and 20th century refuted this erroneous notion.
"What is the origin of Bengali language?
Bangla language does not originate from Sanskrit language in any way. Sanskrit is a different language. However, since Bengali and Sanskrit have emerged from the same language, these Sanskrit-related languages are said to be near relatives of Bengali.
Dr. Muhammad Shahidullah has said that birth of languages are not like the birth of a person, that the history of those births can not be identified in specifics in the long run. Languages flow like rivers. When the character of the language changes from the flow of the previous language , it is named differently. So, today what we know as Bangla language, we must know exactly its earlier exact form. Then we can also know what the previous forms of that were, in this way we can reach the source of the language.
The language that existed before the Bengali language was that of Gaudiya Apa-bhramsa. The origin episode of this language can be traced sometime before 500th century AD. This Gaudiya Apa-bhramsa was the origin and mother of Maithili, Oriya and Banga Kamarupa languages. The latter (Banga Kamarupa) was the origin of modern Bangla and Assamese languages.
Gaudiya Prakrit preceded the existence of the Gaudiya Apa-bhramsa and dates back at least to 200 AD. Prachya Prakrit preceded Gaudiya Prakrit and can be traced back to 500 BC. Gautam Buddha spoke in this language. Prachya Prakrit is the origin of the modern Sinhalese language.
At the same time, a racial mixture occurred with Aryans coming from West with the Bengali Kohl settlers. We received the 'Haldi' event of our Bengali wedding tradition from this Bengali Kohl culture. In Kohl culture, there was a tradition of applying Sindoor on foreheads of married women. Kohls were huge fish eaters and the Bengali fish eating habits come from that tradition.
'Chawal', 'Larhai' (battle), 'Dhaal' (shield), 'Donga' (dugout canoe), 'Badshee' (fishing whip), 'Boka' (foolish), 'Kana' (blind), 'Mota' (thick, overweight) these are Kohl words that found later use in Bangla. Words such as Dhak-dhol, Golmaal, dhoomdham, chhuri-turi, boka-shoka, etc. all are traced back to Kohl ancient usage.
Prior to ancient Prachya Prakrit, there was an ancient Aryan spoken (casual or non-formal) language. Prachya Prakrit and Sanskrit both descended from this ancient Aryan spoken language.
Sanskrit was the language of aristocrats. That language was used for special needs such as in temples, royal edicts etc. Sanskrit was not a casual spoken language.
In Ramayana, when Hanuman saw Sita in captivity, he considered what language he will speak with her, thinking, "If I say Sanskrit words like two-origin people, then Sita will be afraid of me thinking I am Ravana, therefore I must speak meaningful human words, otherwise I cannot convince and reassure Sita. "
These "human words and sentences" Hanuman refers to are ancient Indian Aryans casual spoken languages.
Seeing how ancient languages were spoken previously, and comparing them to today's Bangla spoken language can prove how similar Sanskrit was to Bangla or if (how some say) Bangla was derived from Sanskrit. In that sense Bengali has almost nothing in common with Sanskrit.
As in today's Bangla we say "Tumi Aacho", it is "Tumhe Aachoh" in ancient Bengali, "Tumhe Achhhoh" in the Middle Prakrit and "Tumhe Ochhoth" in the Prachya Prakrit; See the connection with the previous languages.
In contrast the the equivalent of ""Tumi Aacho"" in Sanskrit is "Yue-Yung Sthaw". There is neither a match nor any connection here. Is there any coincidence? Not there. Then, if some are pushing the idea that Bangla is the son of Sanskrit - what can be said?
Sanskrit scholars offered the erroneous idea that Bengali is some lower class form of Sanskrit. This had quite a bit of legitimate subscription in the scholar community in India. Today with research, this notion has been mostly debunked.
From the attached table, you can see this idea briefly. And clearly understand that Bengali and Sanskrit are two children of the same language, but in no way is Bengali a child form of Sanskrit."
YOu have data from world bank which gives you per capita income in constant dollar.
Who can contest your great observation and the comments by your grandfather? Everyone is nostalgic when old and talk about nice days in the past. I have no more comments only that we should stop giving lame excuses for our development unsuccess even when 46 years have already passed after 1971. Cheers!!!
It's just the fact. Before I explain how, let me give you the level of these authors whom you quoted. I don't have a PhD or anything, but since I'm a brahmin and have read the Samaveda and Yajurveda I think I'm qualified enough to answer these questions regarding Sanskrit and other Pali - Prakrit languages.
I can't comment on this part because I don't know Bengali.
That's totally wrong. Sanskrit evolved from Sanskrit itself. The Sanskrit that's used now is the Sanskrit Panini grammaticalized. Only that it's made simpler unlike the one in Vedas. He is totally wrong to call Sanskrit originated from some other language which shares a common origin with Bengali. Also, the influence of Sanskrit in Bengali is not my forte.
It's debatable, as far as the evidence goes Buddha never spoke Prakrit because Prakrit as a language originated centuries after Buddhas passing. Buddha may have spoken an Indo-Aryan language which had gone extinct or got absorbed. All the texts including edicts of Ashoka were some 300 -400 years post-Buddha period. Even if Buddha spoke a language it will be Ardhamagadhi Prakrit. Prachya Kings which were further eastern could not have influenced the language in the Magadha Kingdom, also there was no invasion of Magadha from the far east.
Hillarious assumption. Given Sanskrit predates all these versions of MIA languages.
Wrong again. The author needs to learn Chronology. In the Vedic times, there weren't any temples.
"यदि वाचम् प्रदास्यामि द्विजातिः इव संस्कृताम् | रावणम् मन्यमाना माम् सीता भीता भविष्यति || वानरस्य विशेषेण कथं स्यादभिभाषणम्म् |"
? It means a twice-born, not two - origin. Not going further. Ramayana never mentions that another language is spoken, the author misquotes itWhat is this? Does "Tumi" means "you"? Just asking.
संस्कृताम् is older than any Proto Indian language.... period.
With all due respect - being a Brahmin and a reader of Sanskrit/Prakrit texts as opposed to being a linguist are two different things. Since I don't know your qualifications personally, I will refrain from making any further comments. Dr. Muhammad Shahidullah remains one of the leading linguists in Sanskrit and Prakrit from Bengal. He is not merely a Ph.D. You have to google him and read some of his opinion which is quite neutral...
Again this is the written opinion of Dr. Muhammad Shahidullah which has been moderated by many peers in Bengali linguist circles. His expertise and research is generally seen as beyond reproach. The guy completed his research thesis from the Sorbonne in 1928. I mean - come on....
You could be right. But you are contradicting yourself a bit...
The author did not misquote - I did. I did not understand the meaning of 'Dwijati' which I now know as twice-born.Oh my god. Did he call us two-origin people
Yes, there is a difference. For a linguist, it's like a subject they study. For someone like me, when Sanskrit is a part of life, it's different. I'm not a Sanskrit graduate, I don't think it's necessary given the point that, even Sanskrit PhD's make unforgivable errors which is serious. I'm an accountant by the way.
Well, based on what I read, Rig Veda was composed approx 1500BC. That Sanskrit is called Vedic Sanskrit. Hence I said, Sanskrit developed from Sanskrit itself. Nobody associates a predecessor for Sanskrit, mainly because Rigveda is the farthest anyone has ever got in Sanskrit. And it was an oral tradition until 500 BC (if my guess is right).Again this is the written opinion of Dr. Muhammad Shahidullah which has been moderated by many peers in Bengali linguist circles. His expertise and research is generally seen as beyond reproach. The guy completed his research thesis from the Sorbonne in 1928. I mean - come on....
No, even for an arguments sake he wants to associate Buddha spoke any language, it'll be the predecessor of Magadhi Prakrit.
Sorry, all the Oceans except perhaps the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea are interrelated. But, every zonal sea has been named during the historical times. The name Bay of Bengal is there in the ancient texts. It is written even in the chronology written by Ibn Batuta. So, do not please make a mistake by tagging the BoB as a part of the Indian Ocean. It is a disgrace to Bengal/Bangladesh.
As usual, you are giving us a rosy picture of internet users in Bangladesh. In reality, BD is the lowest user. Moreover, almost all people use only the Mobile Internet for verbal communication and sending messages. Why do you think, this mobile communication will bring about a profound change and take us to a first world level of acquiring knowledge?
Very true.I have read that, a peasant do not use more than 300-500 words in his entire lifetime.Just a generation ago, our 80 percent people was from peasant background, illiterate and village dwellers.
