Bangladesh, Mauritius and Seychelles to join regional maritime security grouping

[Species]

So far, Bangladesh has stayed closely aligned with India for half-a-century. Why would that change now?

Americans don't need to see Bangladesh though Indian lens but they can ask India to persuade (or push) Bangladesh to look at the world through American lens.

At the moment Bangladesh is reluctant to come out of it's cushy position on world stage which is nicely hidden in the Bay of Bengal.

Things are not exactly black and white as you would think.

The biggest challenge for Bangladesh at the moment is to secure enough supply of vaccines and the repatriation of Rohingyas, in both cases China's role is the most crucial one. Heck, Sinopharm is even set to start local production in Bangladesh. Without providing a better alternative to China, expecting Bangladesh to join an anti-China camp is ludicrous to say the least. Americans are smart and they wouldn't pressurize Bangladesh, at least not yet.

As for this so called grouping, there are tons of such groupings initiated by India with funny acronyms but hardly any of them are active, BBIN, MGC and many more. The basic point is India doesn't have anything to create leverage on the neighboring countries and to have any meaningful influence. Although everyone knows Indians will remain content if you throw even half a bone to them so you would occasionally see some political rhetoric and some meaningless annual tea parties, that's about it.

 

[Protest_again]

Things are not exactly black and white as you would think.

The biggest challenge for Bangladesh at the moment is to secure enough supply of vaccines and the repatriation of Rohingyas, in both cases China's role is the most crucial one. Heck, Sinopharm is even set to start local production in Bangladesh. Without providing a better alternative to China, expecting Bangladesh to join an anti-China camp is ludicrous to say the least. Americans are smart and they wouldn't pressurize Bangladesh, at least not yet.

As for this so called grouping, there are tons of such groupings initiated by India with funny acronyms but hardly any of them are active, BBIN, MGC and many more. The basic point is India doesn't have anything to create leverage on the neighboring countries and to have any meaningful influence. Although everyone knows Indians will remain content if you throw even half a bone to them so you would occasionally see some political rhetoric and some meaningless annual tea parties, that's about it.

Lol. Justifications you make for being a poodle of India. Show some courage.

 

[Species]

Lol. Justifications you make for being a poodle of India. Show some courage.

Since when did rats begin owning poodles? lol

 

[Protest_again]

Since when did rats begin owning poodles? lol

Since Bangladesh became a country.

 

[Species]

Since Bangladesh became a country.

Nice. I do find Indian mythology quite fascinating.

 

[SMX 3.0]

However I find some of your comments disturbing in which you have hinted at Bangladesh' people's technical inability to 'absorb' technologies such as nuclear technology. There is no inherent difference in talent just because you slap a label on a person called 'Indian' or 'Bangladeshi', Talent and technology absorption depend on background, education, class, opportunity and a whole slew of other factors, which have no bearing on which nation they are from. If you still believe Indians are more talented than Bangladeshis, then so be it.

I don't remember claiming racial superiority over any nationality- in fact, the same was done by Bangladeshi forumers here.

Bangladesh hasn't yet created a critical mass of highly skilled technologically competent personnel, and neither has the industrial base to absorb technologies as advanced as Nuclear technology. Case in point, your universities didn't offer courses as basic as bachelor's degree in Aeronautical Engineering until 2009 & you still import things as basic as process steam boilers.

Given all that, spending $13 billion on a technology you cant absorb or scale up seems like a very bad choice to me.

The fact that successive govts. in Bangladesh never cared enough about nuclear tech development or space exploration progammes, is as mysterious as why successive Indian govts. never cared about improving the welfare of their poor people.

Again, as I clearly showed earlier you are spending 2X per capita compared to us in India in terms of GDP or 5X in terms of budget expenditure for science & technology, investing in things that are too advanced for you to absorb. That's like India spending $108 billion.

This is in addition to inefficiencies in your infrastructure projects, but let's not go there for now.

India spending only half of your per capita S&T expenditure & still building nuclear reactors at 1/3rd cost per GW looks like a better bargain to me. Any money spent on the same will be invested back into the Indian economy.

BHEL emerges lowest bidder for NPCIL's ₹10,800 crore-tender for 6X700MW Turbine Islands

OK - in some HDI's, such as literacy, India is indeed neck and neck with Bangladesh. (74.37 vs. 74.68).

World Bank Open Data

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Actually, India is well ahead in terms of education-related indicators in HDI-EYS & MYS. Wonder how that happened when Indian govts never cared about improving the welfare of the poor people.

Your GDP per capita is real $ is wrongly quoted. As of 2020 both countries have reduced per capita GDP in real $ terms (Thanks to Covid), but Bangladesh' per capita GDP is still higher than that of India ($1968 for Bangladesh vs. $1900 for India).

World Bank Open Data

Free and open access to global development data

data.worldbank.org

This is for 2020, we are in 2021. I know where this obsession with 2020 data is coming from, given that you can only claim a higher nominal per capita than India only during a period of pandemic induced contraction.

I see there is a whole thread running on this forum calling out your statistical office for its inaccuracies. The doubts expressed about the Tax to GDP ratio on the other thread seem justified now.

Even your economists seem not too convinced with your data. How to achieve GDP growth even with decreasing exports, in an export-led economy?

The government further said export revenue in that fiscal was 25 percent less than target. The amount was $6.86 billion less than the previous year. The import expenditure also declined but a lot less than the export earnings. Then by what magic did all these sector-wise disasters not affect the GDP growth? Mr. Finance Minister, will balance the sum, please?

And here... It seems that much of the statistical data is unreliable.

As it is, the World Bank and IMF (International Monetary Fund) indirectly accuses all governments of Bangladesh of data doctoring. For long, World Bank, IMF and many other UN organisations do not consider the government-announced GDP growth as reliable. It is general knowledge that local and foreign institutions think other ‘vital statistics’ the BBS publishes are also increased and decreased at will. This doubt is not without basis. There are several instances of such manipulations:

1. The government shows the total population of Bangladesh as less than actual. As a result, the population growth rate has been decreased to 1.3 per cent. According to UNFPA, the rate is 1.42 per cent.

2. The per capita GDP could be increased artificially if the total nominal GDP is deducted by the ‘smaller number of population’. Recently, the government has claimed that per capita income of Bangladesh has risen from $1909 to $2064 on 30 June 2020.

3. The rate of inflation is shown less so that the real per capita GDP could be increased while calculating real GDP from the nominal GDP.

4. The government inflates the literacy rate, which the UNDP does not think credible enough for the Human Development Index.

https://en.prothomalo.com/opinion/op-ed/mr-finance-minister-balance-the-sum-please

Also

Doubt over GDP growth not illogical

Bangladesh began a trend way back to inflate the Gross Domestic Product (GDP) growth rate.

en.prothomalo.com

As I said, the data published by your statistics office itself contradicts their very own claim of progress.

Household Income & expenditure survey 2016 (HIES 2016) shows that the average calorie & protein intake decreased in 2016 compared to 10 years prior.

Only 5% increase in the number of proper housing (brick- cement) in terms of walls, less than 1% in terms of roofs in 6 years. Is that progress??

So are the indicators reported by your statistics office reliable?

I don't remember where I saw this - but children per family in Bangladesh is supposedly 2.17 while for India it is 2.43. There are challenges with this, lowering these numbers should be a priority.

The TFR data given by your statistics office is questionable. Just observe the prevalence of teen pregnancy & child marriage in Bangladesh.

Too many countries in the world which are plenty advanced without becoming a super power (or having blue water Naval ambitions), witness South Korea.

Well, I would suggest you improve your Economic Complexity Index before matching up to South Korea.

Higher economic complexity as compared to country's income level drives economic development. Many low-income countries, including Bangladesh, Venezuela, and Angola have failed to diversify their know-how and face low growth prospects. Others like India, Turkey, and the Philippines have successfully added productive capabilities to enter new sectors and will drive growth over the coming year

Since Bangladesh became a country.

I am laughing my rear off watching single-AD-unit-military country flexing its non-existent ''muscles''.

 

[Protest_again]

I don't remember claiming racial superiority over any nationality- in fact, the same was done by Bangladeshi forumers here.

Bangladesh hasn't yet created a critical mass of highly skilled technologically competent personnel, and neither has the industrial base to absorb technologies as advanced as Nuclear technology. Case in point, your universities didn't offer courses as basic as bachelor's degree in Aeronautical Engineering until 2009 & you still import things as basic as process steam boilers.

Given all that, spending $13 billion on a technology you cant absorb or scale up seems like a very bad choice to me.



Again, as I clearly showed earlier you are spending 2X per capita compared to us in India in terms of GDP or 5X in terms of budget expenditure for science & technology, investing in things that are too advanced for you to absorb. That's like India spending $108 billion.

This is in addition to inefficiencies in your infrastructure projects, but let's not go there for now.

India spending only half of your per capita S&T expenditure & still building nuclear reactors at 1/3rd cost per GW looks like a better bargain to me. Any money spent on the same will be invested back into the Indian economy.

BHEL emerges lowest bidder for NPCIL's ₹10,800 crore-tender for 6X700MW Turbine Islands



Actually, India is well ahead in terms of education-related indicators in HDI-EYS & MYS. Wonder how that happened when Indian govts never cared about improving the welfare of the poor people.

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This is for 2020, we are in 2021. I know where this obsession with 2020 data is coming from, given that you can only claim a higher nominal per capita than India only during a period of pandemic induced contraction.

I see there is a whole thread running on this forum calling out your statistical office for its inaccuracies. The doubts expressed about the Tax to GDP ratio on the other thread seems justified now.

Even your economists seem not too convinced with your data. How to achieve GDP growth even with decreasing exports, in an export-led economy?

The government further said export revenue in that fiscal was 25 per cent less than target. The amount was $6.86 billion less than the previous year. The import expenditure also declined but a lot less than the export earnings. Then by what magic did all these sector-wise disasters not affect the GDP growth? Mr. Finance Minister, will balance the sum please?

And here... It seems that much of the statistical data is unreliable.

As it is, the World Bank and IMF (International Monetary Fund) indirectly accuses all governments of Bangladesh of data doctoring. For long, World Bank, IMF and many other UN organisations do not consider the government-announced GDP growth as reliable. It is general knowledge that local and foreign institutions think other ‘vital statistics’ the BBS publishes are also increased and decreased at will. This doubt is not without basis. There are several instances of such manipulations:

1. The government shows the total population of Bangladesh as less than actual. As a result, the population growth rate has been decreased to 1.3 per cent. According to UNFPA, the rate is 1.42 per cent.

2. The per capita GDP could be increased artificially if the total nominal GDP is deducted by the ‘smaller number of population’. Recently, the government has claimed that per capita income of Bangladesh has risen from $1909 to $2064 on 30 June 2020.

3. The rate of inflation is shown less so that the real per capita GDP could be increased while calculating real GDP from the nominal GDP.

4. The government inflates the literacy rate, which the UNDP does not think credible enough for the Human Development Index.

https://en.prothomalo.com/opinion/op-ed/mr-finance-minister-balance-the-sum-please

Also

Doubt over GDP growth not illogical

Bangladesh began a trend way back to inflate the Gross Domestic Product (GDP) growth rate.

en.prothomalo.com

As I said, the data published by your statistics office itself contradicts their very own claim of progress.

Household Income & expenditure survey 2016 (HIES 2016) shows that the average calorie & protein intake decreased in 2016 compared to 10 years prior.

View attachment 770553

Only 5% increase in the number of proper housing (brick- cement) in terms of walls, less than 1% in terms of roofs in 6 years. Is that progress??

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So are the indicators reported by your statistics office reliable?



The TFR data given by your statistics office is questionable. Just observe the prevalence of teen pregnancy & child marriage in Bangladesh.



Well, I would suggest you improve your Economic Complexity Index before matching up to South Korea.

Higher economic complexity as compared to country's income level drives economic development. Many low-income countries, including Bangladesh, Venezuela, and Angola have failed to diversify their knowhow and face low growth prospects. Others like India, Turkey, and the Philippines have successfully added productive capabilities to enter new sectors and will drive growth over the coming year


I am laughing my rear off watching single-AD-unit-military country flexing its non-existent ''muscles''.

Also what is fascinating is that their revenue estimates in budget are based on a expected GDP growth (usually 8%). But they never collect as much, however their GDP growth always either exceeds or stays the same as expected before the fiscal. How much of fools they take us for.

 

[SMX 3.0]

Hilarious to see this hindutva turd being so triggered...

Triggered about what, you being our client-state??

Only one crying is indians lol.

Want to be super power but zero influence.

As I said earlier, look up your military capabilities & think for one minute why it's so pathetic. You'll understand more about our ''influence''.

That whining about Indian kilo class/ sonar/ torpedo transfer to Bangladesh shows what we can do.

The first post is a grouping to catch pirates....bd will not join any anti china grouping.

Yep. Alliances with Bangladesh, Mauritius & Seychelles, which are far away from the piracy hotspots & do not have sufficient large patrol vessels to patrol the sea lanes are to ''catch pirates''. Keep fooling yourself about it.

 

[Black Tornado]

Its average real per capita GDP remains below that of a nation like Bangladesh,

Just because it has supposedly crossed doesn’t mean you’ll insert it in any arguement, by that logic Luxembourg should be the superpower instead of US.

 

[SMX 3.0]

Also what is fascinating is that their revenue estimates in budget are based on a expected GDP growth (usually 8%). But they never collect as much, however their GDP growth always either exceeds or stays the same as expected before the fiscal. How much of fools they take us for.

We can calculate the GDP using the tax-to-GDP ratio & actual tax revenues, by assuming the tax to gdp remains constant as 2017-18. It will be hilarious lol.

Just because it has supposedly crossed doesn’t mean you’ll insert it in any arguement, by that logic Luxembourg should be the superpower instead of US.

''How come China has aircraft carriers while Brunei does not, when Brunei has a far higher per capita GDP???''

~Bilal from Bangladesh, 2021.

 

[Black Tornado]

How will a Mars Mission feed India's poor when the rate of poverty in India is even higher than that of Bangladesh by far?

Such missions carry satelites of other countries or companies not just the main mission, which earns revenue to ISRO which is also like a company which does commercial launches, now our private companies are also going to launch commercial space vehicles next year onwards.

 

[SMX 3.0]

What map do I have to see to know the sorry state your in?

The map that comes free when you buy a map of India. You know which one. .

our posts on this section speaks volumes about how desperate you are. You talk about your space program, but the question is will there be toilets in your spaceships? More than 30% of your population are walking around with wedgies and you're here dwelling on Bangladesh. Pahahahaha pleaaase. Indu-ian.

48% sanitation access country saying this about 70% sanitation access country, lol. Looks like UN & WB had enough of your cooked-up data.

Anyway, I don't understand this obsession with toilets. Is it because your population is more interested in crossing Indo- Bangladesh border to work as janitors? Or for even more despicable ''professions'' like this?
Mother willingly got trafficked to India to rescue daughter: Rab arrests 3 human traffickers

Rab today arrested three members of a gang, which allegedly trafficked more than 200 girls and women in India, including a mother and daughter whose story recently went viral on social media.

The arrestees are: Md Kalu alias Kallu (40), Md Sohag alias Nagin Sohag (32), and Billal Hossain (41).


No point-scoring, I do sympathize with them. But do remember all those ''Hasinas'' & ''Morioms'' who are in India before claiming some sort of victory over us...

 

[Black Tornado]

The map that comes free when you buy a map of India. You know which one. .



48% sanitation access country saying this about 70% sanitation access country, lol. Looks like UN & WB had enough of your cooked-up data.

Anyway, I don't understand this obsession with toilets. Is it because your population is more interested in crossing Indo- Bangladesh border to work as janitors? Or for even more despicable ''professions'' like this?
Mother willingly got trafficked to India to rescue daughter: Rab arrests 3 human traffickers

Rab today arrested three members of a gang, which allegedly trafficked more than 200 girls and women in India, including a mother and daughter whose story recently went viral on social media.

The arrestees are: Md Kalu alias Kallu (40), Md Sohag alias Nagin Sohag (32), and Billal Hossain (41).


No point-scoring, I do sympathize with them. But do remember all those ''Hasinas'' & ''Morioms'' who are in India before claiming some sort of victory over us...

Weird thing is that their exports and imports are less than us in even per capita terms so how do they say that exports drived their growth so much that it overtook India?

 

[mb444]

Triggered about what, you being our client-state??

Yeah....lets go with that.

 

[Bilal9]

Guys I think we beat this dead horse enough, we have to admit now what the Indians want us to believe.