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Bangladesh begins construction of two large warships

That's because the Veer Class corvettes are still in service! These small missile boats don't take too long to build, and with man private shipbuilders in the picture now they can be brought into service in 2-3 years time.

As for the Kora and Khukri class corvettes,

LIVEFIST: Indian Navy Wants 6 New Indian-built Missile Corvettes

They're still talking about a 2500 tonne boat built locally. Too big for littoral uses. Anything exceeding say 1500~1700 tonnes is too big. China 056 class (which we will be building locally as well) is the perfect size for shallow draft areas like continental shelves.

Endurance is not the purpose of these boats. They need speed and armament for their coastal defense role. And of course sensors to go with it.

Twenty years ago a GPS used to be the size of a suitcase. Today it is the size of a cellphone. Marine Electronics has had a reduction in size too. The new Russian Buyan Class (a tad bigger than the Veer class) has multi-canister VLS and other sensors which I posted above...unprecedented for this size boat (500 tons).
 
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They're still talking about a 2500 tonne boat built locally. Too big for littoral uses. Anything exceeding say 1500~1700 tonnes is too big. China 056 class (which we will be building locally as well) is the perfect size for shallow draft areas like continental shelves.

Endurance is not the purpose of these boats. They need speed and armament for their coastal defense role. And of course sensors to go with it.

Twenty years ago a GPS used to be the size of a suitcase. Today it is the size of a cellphone. Marine Electronics has had a reduction in size too. The new Russian Buyan Class (a tad bigger than the Veer class) has multi-canister VLS and other sensors which I posted above...unprecedented for this size boat (500 tons).

As I said the Veer Class corvettes (500 tonne class) are around 15-20 years old, and still have atleast 10-15 more years of service left in them. Their replacement will come in due time.

The Khukri Class Corvettes (1350 tonnes) will be due for replacement in around 5 years time, and will be replaced by the Next Generation Missile Vessels.

As mentioned in the article the Navy RFI does't say anything about the tonnage of the Next Gen Missile Vessels (NGMV).

Comparing the specification of NGMV Class and Khukris, except for the larger tonnage(speculated), they seem like the perfect replacement

Khukri Class

Type: Corvette
Displacement: Full load: 1,350 tonnes
Length: 91.1 m (299 ft)
Beam: 10.5 m (34 ft)
Draught: 4.5 m (15 ft)
Speed: 25 kn (46 km/h; 29 mph)
Range: 4,000 nmi (7,400 km; 4,600 mi) @ 16 kn (30 km/h; 18 mph)

NGMV

Type: Corvette
Displacement: Full load: 2000-2500 tonnes(speculated)
Length: unknown
Beam: unknown
Draught: Less than 5m
Speed: Max Speed 35kn, Sustained speed 25 kn (46 km/h; 29 mph)
Range: 2800 nm at sustained economical speed and 1000 Nm at max speed.

http://tenders.gov.in/viewtenddoc.asp?tid=del717833&wno=1&td=TD
 
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They're still talking about a 2500 tonne boat built locally. Too big for littoral uses. Anything exceeding say 1500~1700 tonnes is too big. China 056 class (which we will be building locally as well) is the perfect size for shallow draft areas like continental shelves.

Endurance is not the purpose of these boats. They need speed and armament for their coastal defense role. And of course sensors to go with it.

Twenty years ago a GPS used to be the size of a suitcase. Today it is the size of a cellphone. Marine Electronics has had a reduction in size too. The new Russian Buyan Class (a tad bigger than the Veer class) has multi-canister VLS and other sensors which I posted above...unprecedented for this size boat (500 tons).

still even though Buyan class had unprecedented firepower vis-a-vis with her size, it doesn't mean she capable to do much of larger size boats can do. Larger boats, with more sensor suite, armament and complement like ASW helo still a formidable platform
 
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No, the Indian ship is a DDG it can't reach Mars. But with your special lungi technology that small boat can, ask iajdani for more. He has many ideas from him small brain.

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Is this a warship or a circus flotilla?
 
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Surely India is gearing up to protect its aircraft carriers with these larger ships.... Smaller ships probably doesn't have the endurance to be part of a CBG.

What on earth India would do with their CBG is another question altogether. They probably want to challenge the Chinese I suppose. Indians have an edge over the Chinese and want to try to keep it that way as long as possible.
 
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this ship alone offered more firepower than anything in Bangladesh Navy had

True but we're not in a firepower contest with India. That contest is a non-starter. :-)

These destroyers (and any that succeed it) are supposed to be a deterrence and denial measure for China's blue-water Navy and CBG, probably in the Arabian Sea through which China's oil comes from. That lane is probably going to be a little less strategic now - now that pumping oil though Gwadar and CPEC are becoming a reality.

Are our top-tier yards capable of building a Kolkata class destroyer? Sure.

Considering that at least the hull of the follow on class (P17) succeeding this destroyer is going to be built at an inefficient British colonial-era facility with antiquated production techniques (Garden Reach Shipyard, Calcutta), our yards are way more modern and could easily do it and in a much shorter schedule. Most Kolkata class boats were built at Mazagaon Docks in Bombay and this is the largest ships they had built so far (7400 tonnes).

But what for? With the out-of-proportion expenditure on this piece of armament we could build hundreds of schools and educate our kids to build the foundation of our society. That way the money wouldn't be wasted at some politician's Swiss or Singapore bank account and would build an egalitarian, stable society with an able and educated workforce.

We'd rather not waste money on this type of 'bragging rights' that is going to see hardly any use - if ever.

Bangladesh foreign policy in any case is a defensive one. We don't seek any arms race or conflict with anyone. We'd rather resolve issues across the table and build leverage with our trading power. Picking fights with your neighboring countries is a losing game.

We should rather concentrate on feeding, clothing and housing our people first and give them a shot at a healthier, better future. If you watch our HR indicators of late - you'll see that we're more or less succeeding....

Surely India is gearing up to protect its aircraft carriers with these larger ships.... Smaller ships probably doesn't have the endurance to be part of a CBG.

What on earth India would do with their CBG is another question altogether. They probably want to challenge the Chinese I suppose. Indians have an edge over the Chinese and want to try to keep it that way as long as possible.

The Chinese carrier Liaoning (ex Russian Varyag) is more modern (next generation) and one-notch larger (65,000 tonnes) than the Indian Carrier Vikramaditya (refurbished Russian carrier Admiral Gorshkov, 45,000 tonnes). The new Indian Carrier being built at Kochi is about the same size.

Plus the Chinese carrier carries larger number (50) and more potent fighters (Su-27 naval variant copy, J-15?) than the Indian carriers (about 30 including Mig-29k).

I have severe reservations about the Vikramaditya purchase. That ship was an unreliable rusting hulk when they purchased it. And the Russians milked them for every penny of what it was worth. Indians unfortunately at that time had few other options than this overpriced hulk. There were issues with the boilers. Seven out of Eight of its boilers failed during trials. And they had to fix these leaks with Asbestos liners which is unheard of in this day and age.

Now nationalistic fanboys in India will bring out their pompoms and sing the praises of this purchase - but if you ask me the only gainers were the micro-sized teacup poodle defense minister Antony (the white Lungi guy) and everyone else up the food chain above him. Anyway its their deal....

I like how the following video serves up a bit of nationalism with a basic defense purchase, Hindutvabadis love munching on this stuff with their Aloo Pakora. :-)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_QFvoaq9RI

www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lmc1qanxPI
 
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True but we're not in a firepower contest with India. That contest is a non-starter. :-)

These destroyers (and any that succeed it) are supposed to be a deterrence and denial measure for China's blue-water Navy and CBG, probably in the Arabian Sea through which China's oil comes from. That lane is probably going to be a little less strategic now - now that pumping oil though Gwadar and CPEC are becoming a reality.

Are our top-tier yards capable of building a Kolkata class destroyer? Sure.

Considering that at least the hull of the follow on class (P17) succeeding this destroyer is going to be built at an inefficient British colonial-era facility with antiquated production techniques (Garden Reach Shipyard, Calcutta), our yards are way more modern and could easily do it and in a much shorter schedule. Most Kolkata class boats were built at Mazagaon Docks in Bombay and this is the largest ships they had built so far (7400 tonnes).

But what for? With the out-of-proportion expenditure on this piece of armament we could build hundreds of schools and educate our kids to build the foundation of our society. That way the money wouldn't be wasted at some politician's Swiss or Singapore bank account and would build an egalitarian, stable society with an able and educated workforce.

We'd rather not waste money on this type of 'bragging rights' that is going to see hardly any use - if ever.

Bangladesh foreign policy in any case is a defensive one. We don't seek any arms race or conflict with anyone. We'd rather resolve issues across the table and build leverage with our trading power. Picking fights with your neighboring countries is a losing game.

We should rather concentrate on feeding, clothing and housing our people first and give them a shot at a healthier, better future. If you watch our HR indicators of late - you'll see that we're more or less succeeding....



The Chinese carrier Liaoning (ex Russian Varyag) is more modern (next generation) and one-notch larger (65,000 tonnes) than the Indian Carrier Vikramaditya (refurbished Russian carrier Admiral Gorshkov, 45,000 tonnes). The new Indian Carrier being built at Kochi is about the same size.

Plus the Chinese carrier carries larger number (50) and more potent fighters (Su-27 naval variant copy, J-15?) than the Indian carriers (about 30 including Mig-29k).

I have severe reservations about the Vikramaditya purchase. That ship was a unreliable rusting hulk when they purchased it. And the Russians milked them for every penny of what it was worth. Indians unfortunately at that time had few other options than this overpriced hulk. There were issues with the boilers. Seven out of Eight of its boilers failed during trials. Now nationalistic fanboys in India will bring out their pompoms and sing the praises of this purchase - but if you ask me the only gainers were the defense minister Antony (the white Lungi guy) and everyone else up the food chain above him. Anyway its their deal....

pardon for my harsh response but we must admit it, Indian Navy right now operating the largest Warship and had the largest number of Combatant Warship in Indian Ocean, maybe only US Navy Six Fleet which is can be compared against their fleet in this region. And the firepower they are bring is no jokes at all.

Maybe not many Bangladeshi know it, Indonesian Armed Forces is paid fully attention against the recent building of India Navy too. As their power projection will be pointed at Malacca Straits and its near close to our homeyard
 
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pardon for my harsh response but we must admit it, Indian Navy right now operating the largest Warship and had the largest number of Combatant Warship in Indian Ocean, maybe only US Navy Six Fleet which is can be compared against their fleet in this region. And the firepower they are bring is no jokes at all.

Maybe not many Bangladeshi know it, Indonesian Armed Forces is paid fully attention against the recent building of India Navy too. As their power projection will be pointed at Malacca Straits and its near close to our homeyard

No no brother I agree with you. :-)

This is reality.

Indian Naval buildup has everyone worried in the region. Now if they use this to scare non-Chinese parties (such as Indonesia) and gain concessions, than that is a concern. However I think you guys are not in the best of terms with China - unless I am off base.

Then the Indians should be courting you and not threatening you. :-)
 
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No no brother I agree with you. :-)

This is reality.

Indian Naval buildup has everyone worried in the region. Now if they use this to scare non-Chinese parties (such as Indonesia) and gain concessions, than that is a concern. However I think you guys are not in the best of terms with China - unless I am off base.

Then the Indians should be courting you and not threatening you. :-)

we are independent party, and yes Indonesia is not much in best term with the Chinese. And for the Indian, there is increasing reports about their parties trying to made aerial and naval incursion into Indonesian Maritime Boundary, and the same cases happened with other member from ASEAN such as Malaysia and Thailand as they recently made complained report about ever increasing Indian Navy activity from their base in Andaman and Nicobar.

I thing the best course to prevent such bad things to be happened in near future is by building our own muscle and develop domestic capabilities
 
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Does Bangladesh Plans to construct Aircraft Carriers in the near future?

If yes, will it be nuclear powered or conventional?
 
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Does Bangladesh Plans to construct Aircraft Carriers in the near future?

If yes, will it be nuclear powered or conventional?

Did your local shakha meeting break off early?

We are considering harnessing Vedic Fusion energy powered by accelerated 'shloka' recitals - which is better than nuclear power. :sarcastic:
 
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As I said the Veer Class corvettes (500 tonne class) are around 15-20 years old, and still have atleast 10-15 more years of service left in them. Their replacement will come in due time.

The Khukri Class Corvettes (1350 tonnes) will be due for replacement in around 5 years time, and will be replaced by the Next Generation Missile Vessels.

As mentioned in the article the Navy RFI does't say anything about the tonnage of the Next Gen Missile Vessels (NGMV).

Comparing the specification of NGMV Class and Khukris, except for the larger tonnage(speculated), they seem like the perfect replacement

Khukri Class

Type: Corvette
Displacement: Full load: 1,350 tonnes
Length: 91.1 m (299 ft)
Beam: 10.5 m (34 ft)
Draught: 4.5 m (15 ft)
Speed: 25 kn (46 km/h; 29 mph)
Range: 4,000 nmi (7,400 km; 4,600 mi) @ 16 kn (30 km/h; 18 mph)

NGMV

Type: Corvette
Displacement: Full load: 2000-2500 tonnes(speculated)
Length: unknown
Beam: unknown
Draught: Less than 5m
Speed: Max Speed 35kn, Sustained speed 25 kn (46 km/h; 29 mph)
Range: 2800 nm at sustained economical speed and 1000 Nm at max speed.

http://tenders.gov.in/viewtenddoc.asp?tid=del717833&wno=1&td=TD

You must be kidding me mate, this is Bangladesh DEFENSE section!!! :D

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