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You can't build a base out of air brah.
One of the reason i avoid argument with publics.
They talk more than they know. :angry: TC.
The most stupid Mullah poster are claiming here that he avoids arguments in a public forum, while posting tons of rubbish and insulting others without any profound knowledge himself. You are the one who talks more than you know. Bloody hypocrite!! Who asked you to come and participate in a secular forum with your radical and fanatic ideas? Get lost to the Red Sea. It is no place for a fanatic.
 
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The most stupid Mullah poster are claiming here that he avoids arguments in a public forum, while posting tons of rubbish and insulting others without any profound knowledge himself. You are the one who talks more than you know. Bloody hypocrite!! Who asked you to come and participate in a secular forum with your radical and fanatic ideas? Get lost to the Red Sea. It is no place for a fanatic.
Do not make me laugh.
From where these secular mulla came from?and where i wrote i avoid argument in public "forum"
Do your own job madafuqa.Don't lecture me while cleaning manhole in somewhere else.
Pathetic idiotic shitty donkey farting with his mouth about knowledge.Go and phuck your own a*se with your ideas.Secular forum?phuck off b@st*rd.
 
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Independent research put the Kosovar civilian casualty at 10 thousands and most of the Kosovar had to flee across the border.Ten thousand casualty in a population of less than 2 million is not small.

Whatever, Serbia is much more peaceful, democratic and responsible country now.It is an aspirant of EU membership. Bad things happened during the rule of Slovodan Milosevic. After his ouster,Serbia is on a good track.So I have no bad feeling for Serbia now.I wish your country's success and prosperity.Cheers mate.

10 812 Albanians were killed on Kosovo. But many of those were member of KLA (2131), 220 were killed by the NATO bombs, and if you look only at the period after the end of war, 318 were killed by KLA for different reasons, many of them were also killed by KLA before and during the war. And lets make something clear it was the KLA that started armed rebellion, and Serbia responded with force. That is the way in which all countries in the world respond on armed rebellions. I do not deny crimes committed by our side, but most of them happened only after the NATO started bombing campaign. I already provided the numbers for 1998, and numbers for 6 months period after the Serb security forces retreated from Kosovo. Funny thing is that more civilians were killed in those 6 months under the UN rule than in whole 1998. Also number of Serbs killed on Kosovo is 2197, and that is from population which was less than 200 000.
 
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We don't mind America invading rouge mulsim countries like Taliban ruled Afghanistan or Saddam ruled Iraq.What do you expected from America after 9/11 when Afghan Taliban refused to handover Bin Laden and Al Qaeda terrorist? Sucking thumb and do nothing? What China would have done in same situation? Sending garland to Taliban? Saddam was a ruthless dictator invaded Iran and Kuwait, massacred Kurdish civilian by tens of thousands, caused immense suffering to ordinary Iraqis, one time possessed chemical and biological weapons, there was no hope for Iraqi people to get rid of that 40 years old dictatorship, unless some other power usurp him.So what USA did, I can't blame.Most of the killing in Iraq happened due to deep sectarian feud there.Some individual American had done crime like Abu Gharib incidence, But American punished their own soldiers for that.Punishing it's own soldier for war crime is something which only enlightened democracies have demonstrated so far.

America has not invaded any normal, peaceful, democratic country till date.And I have confidence that they will not do that in future either.If they neutralize the threat of North Korea with minimal or no civilian casualty, then I will support American punishment for Kim Jong Un regime.I believe in collective responsibility to maintain world peace and humanitarian intervention which include stopping evil regime before it do much harm.And Western enlightened democracies are surely in a better position to do that intervention than other countries for now.
Pretty blindsided view. If the US is pro democracy, why do they support 73% of the world's dictators, including their best buddy Saudi Arabia?

What do I expect after 9/11? Since 16 or 17 plane members were Saudi, I would expect invasion of Saudi Arabia.

Why did they topple democratically elected prime minister of Iran and put in a dictator shah? Because UK didn't like the that the elected official wanted to nationalise oil and give benefits to it's citizens instead of enriching UK. Why do the US hate Iran so much and calls them terrorists when there have been a total of zero terrorist attack on US by an Irani, but hey, Saudis are good because they are US ally.

Saddam was bad. No doubt, but the solution of US? There are more terrorist now then there were before war on terror started 17 years ago. You would think an ineffectual army like the US's would indicate time to move on.

What about Vietnam? Cambodia? Have you ever seen the documentaries on horrific things US did in Cambodia that haunts Cambodians still? Do the people of Cambodia deserve this? Even after all these time they still get body parts amputated by bombs.

What about Niger? US is currently waging war on 8 different countries. Niger is one of them. Guess what Niger has, nuclear reserves. I guess Niger needed democracy, because they were nowhere on nuclear mining before US invaded and now they are one of the top countries. Yet the benefit doesn't go to Niger. Niger do get bullets of freedom and democracy though.

It's funny when people bring up how good a country treats it's own citizen to then say, therefor it's okay if they do war crimes in other countries. As if the only lives that actually matter are the ones that already have good lives but those who live in a bad country and have bad living condition, should get much worse by those that have it good. Prime example of this is when people bring up Israel treating people in it's own boundaries.

US, Saudi and Israel are the biggest terrorists. US has done good too. But you are trying to whitewash bad things it has done by bringing up good deeds.
 
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10 812 Albanians were killed on Kosovo. But many of those were member of KLA (2131), 220 were killed by the NATO bombs, and if you look only at the period after the end of war, 318 were killed by KLA for different reasons, many of them were also killed by KLA before and during the war. And lets make something clear it was the KLA that started armed rebellion, and Serbia responded with force. That is the way in which all countries in the world respond on armed rebellions. I do not deny crimes committed by our side, but most of them happened only after the NATO started bombing campaign. I already provided the numbers for 1998, and numbers for 6 months period after the Serb security forces retreated from Kosovo. Funny thing is that more civilians were killed in those 6 months under the UN rule than in whole 1998. Also number of Serbs killed on Kosovo is 2197, and that is from population which was less than 200 000.
Thank you for this input.Although I have a somewhat different understanding about the whole Kosovo affairs but I respect your opinion.Cheers.
 
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Pretty blindsided view. If the US is pro democracy, why do they support 73% of the world's dictators, including their best buddy Saudi Arabia?
There are so many dictators in the world.Why US will act in hostile posture with them unless they threatened American interest or global peace and order? US relation with Saudi is like marriage of convenience rather than any loving affairs.American has no love or respect for Saudi regime.US is maintaining relation with them because there is no democratic movement within Saudi Arabia.If there was any powerful democratic movement in KSA then US would have abandoned Saudi regime in a same way they had abandoned Hosni Mobarak.But it has to come from within Saudi.There are at least 50 dictatorship in the world.Do you expect American to make them enemy out of nothing when they are not much of a threat like what Taliban or Saddam was? No, America will despise them from heart but will maintain normal relationship until some prospective democratic movement start in those countries.USA is against dictatorship in Belarus, Russia, Myanmar, China, Venezuela, Zimbabwe,Iran Iraq and many other countries, because there is a democratic opposition in those countries which America can support.tell me any incidence in the last 50 years where USA supported a dictatorship against a democratic alternative? There are some monarchy in the world where democracy is still in it's infancy, why USA will turn against them? Does it make any sense to make them democratic forcefully? No, US will allow them to undergo democratic evolution until and unless they act recklessly like Saddam or Gaddafi.
What do I expect after 9/11? Since 16 or 17 plane members were Saudi, I would expect invasion of Saudi Arabia.
Why? Had Saudi govt. stood behind those terrorist ? Why US will cut head to cure headache?
Why did they topple democratically elected prime minister of Iran and put in a dictator shah? Because UK didn't like the that the elected official wanted to nationalise oil and give benefits to it's citizens instead of enriching UK. Why do the US hate Iran so much and calls them terrorists when there have been a total of zero terrorist attack on US by an Irani, but hey, Saudis are good because they are US ally.
I did not said American had no fault or 100 percent innocent.Removing Mosaddegh was one such fault American did.But you have to put that episode in it's proper context, then you can understand why USA acted in that way.That was the period of intense cold war rivalry and Mosaddegh was suspected to be a Soviet communist sympathizer.So US did an unconventional act by removing him.But Americans now very much regret that toppling .You know, even American are not above geo-political miscalculation.

I have said already, Americans have no love for Saudi or other gulf monarchy.They are tolerating those monarchy only because there are no alternative.
Saddam was bad. No doubt, but the solution of US? There are more terrorist now then there were before war on terror started 17 years ago. You would think an ineffectual army like the US's would indicate time to move on.
Saddam's peace was a peace of graveyard.A sectarian time bomb which exploded once Saddam era ruthless suppression was removed.Do you want that kind of peace? USA did not anticipated the sectarian quagmire there that will turn that ugly once everyone come out from darkness.American had genuine goodwill for Iraqi people which gone bad due to some unavoidable and unforeseen circumstances which American could not controlled.They thought Iraq will turn around like Germany or Japan after US occupation following WW2.But they did not realized, middle eastern countries are not like Germany or Japan.
What about Vietnam? Cambodia? Have you ever seen the documentaries on horrific things US did in Cambodia that haunts Cambodians still? Do the people of Cambodia deserve this? Even after all these time they still get body parts amputated by bombs.
I have said earlier, communist North Vietnam invaded South Vietnam which had defence pact with USA for military help in case North attack.USA did nothing wrong fighting alongside with South Vietnamese to repel communist north Vietnamese attack backed by China and Soviet.But war quickly tuned into a guerilla ambush operating from impenetrable jungle.So American had to turn drastic measures like carpet bombing.Once you are in a war and finding your back on the wall, then only objective paramount to you is to beat back the enemy at any cost.So large number of civilian casualty were committed by all sides.You can blame the warlike tendency of human nature for that.Blaming only US while thinking others were innocent like dove is not helpful.
What about Niger? US is currently waging war on 8 different countries. Niger is one of them. Guess what Niger has, nuclear reserves. I guess Niger needed democracy, because they were nowhere on nuclear mining before US invaded and now they are one of the top countries. Yet the benefit doesn't go to Niger. Niger do get bullets of freedom and democracy though.
Niger is one of the most fragile state in the world holding one of the biggest Uranium reserve.It's neighboring countries Nigeria, Mali,Chad all are rocked by Islamist terrorist insurgency.Not so long ago, Islamist militia captured vast swath of Mali.Think about what will happen if those guys take control of those Uranium.US, French forces are there to ensure security there.If Niger,Mali were powerful, functioning countries, then American, French force deployment had not been necessary.Where did you got the fact of Niger getting bullet? Are American waging war against Niger? You are sounding like, American are waging war against South Korea by deploying troops there to prevent North Korean invasion.Just by virtue of American troops presence, S.Korean are getting bullet, or South Korea occupied or American constantly shoving democracy to already democratic South Korea.Niger is already more or less a democratic country.Why American would go there to preach democracy? Have you found any specific American acts there which you consider detrimental to Niger's interest? Or are you talking about this issue of US presence in Niger from your general impression about US?
It's funny when people bring up how good a country treats it's own citizen to then say, therefor it's okay if they do war crimes in other countries. As if the only lives that actually matter are the ones that already have good lives but those who live in a bad country and have bad living condition, should get much worse by those that have it good. Prime example of this is when people bring up Israel treating people in it's own boundaries.
In which country American did war crime? Or specifically invaded to torment the people of that country? Are American waging war against any normal, democratic, peaceful country around? America waged war against Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, Stalinist North Korea, Communist invader North Vietnam,Ruthless dictator Saddam's Iraq, Taliban terrorist held Afghanistan.Have US waged war against countries which are full of natural resource but peaceful? Like Qatar, UAE, Norway, Kuwait, Azerbaijan, Malaysia, Canada? Has America grabbed their resource by waging unprovoked war against them? Just because, Saddam's Iraq was rich in oil, so many have made conclusion that 'America wage war for oil'. Where is 'free Iraqi oil for America'now? Iraq is still selling oil in international market according to international price.Why America is not invading other oil rich country one by one?
US, Saudi and Israel are the biggest terrorists. US has done good too. But you are trying to whitewash bad things it has done by bringing up good deeds.
Whether this three countries are the biggest terrorist is subjective to personal opinion. Some will agree with you, others will not. It is futile to argue with such a sweeping statement.You are entitled to hold your personal opinion.Even you can publicly propagate your view of USA being the biggest terrorist while sitting in American soil.You will not face any problem.Noam Chomsky is giving this type of statement for 50 years sitting in New York without any problem.So can you. I am not sure about Israel, whether you can propagate of Israel being the biggest terrorist while sitting in Tel Aviv. But don't try this in Saudi Arabia.You will be in a big trouble.
 
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Even you can publicly propagate your view of USA being the biggest terrorist while sitting in American soil.


The flag on his profile is Malaysian though. :partay: :partay:


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That is what i have been trying to tell to democracy lovers above who actually don't understand system.
As long as you don't interfere in my business you are racist,this,that or whatever ,i don't even give a damn.
Just because other countries have implemented a system and have got success doesn't mean we will get success implementing it too.Because our people is different,have different life style.
We need to design our "democracy" that suits our people to get the best output from them.
Switzerland perfectly has done that despite being a European country ,and i applaud it.
I hope my fellow country men use their brain and follow same strategy rather than blindly implementing western rulings. :cheers:
Oh brother , you just have spoken my words. It's actually the scanned copy of my mind .
Respect! :cheers:

That is actually true. We need to build a democracy that fits our objective and priorities as a nation. I am not a fan of blindly following other nations, especially western ones, mainly due to the social and religious strings in our part of the world. We need to customize our approach, keep the sentiments of our people in mind and find a way that helps us go up the economic and societal ladder.
another nice post ! We should choose such path that's better for us that Shushils don't understand that . You and shamsu have pointed out some very important and realistic matter .
Unfortunately many peoples in bangladesh aren't Shushil yet they play as their pawn ,conciously or unconsiously .
Thanks to both of you .
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Are you actually calling yourself the "new honest boy" of "Uncle Trump"? :woot: The same Trump who came to power on his promise of a Muslim ban in the USA?

Never in the world have I seen Muslims so pro-USA as they are in Bangladesh. Even after the USA invaded multiple Muslim countries in the past decade, leading to the deaths of millions of innocent Muslim civilians in the Iraq War ALONE, not even counting the others.

But I guess they now have a new "honest boy".

You were expecting some backbone? heh. They will be anti-US in due time, till that changes back again...its waves crashing on the beach.
 
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You were expecting some backbone? heh. They will be anti-US in due time, till that changes back again...its waves crashing on the beach.
Forget about when BD people will become anti-US. Today's issue is the security of Indo-Pacific. Seems Delhi is not under the US radar, Dhaka is. Let us hear something from you about this change of US heart. Uncle Trump knows about Indian hearts. They are basically anti-US and pro-Moscow. Result is the non-inclusion of India by the USA. Trump will not follow the pro-Indian policy that started during Bush era.
 
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The US isn't exactly "pro-democracy" indeed. It's responsible for a lot of wars and bloodshed in the world, some of which have been going on for decades. However, democracy as a system is unparalleled to other modern available systems of government, and is the best option for the common people. Bangladesh doesn't need to learn from the US, but rather from peaceful middle power nations like Canada that stand for a humanitarian spirit and global peace and prosperity.
 
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Forget about when BD people will become anti-US. Today's issue is the security of Indo-Pacific. Seems Delhi is not under the US radar, Dhaka is. Let us hear something from you about this change of US heart. Uncle Trump knows about Indian hearts. They are basically anti-US and pro-Moscow. Result is the non-inclusion of India by the USA. Trump will not follow the pro-Indian policy that started during Bush era.

You see @Chinese-Dragon , whichever daddy has to throw them a little scrap bone (and doesn't even have to be intentional, it can simply fall off the grown-ups table)....and we get this pavlovian reaction lol.

Then they honestly wonder why Burma manhandles them time and again with little effort....and everyone feels a little pity for the puppy whinging but then go back to business as usual soon after.

Just hopeless. I guess when you get no actual respect and recognition from anyone, clinging to each mention (no matter what the context is) is basically abused poor lil puppy wanting to be taken serious moment.
 
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You see @Chinese-Dragon , whichever daddy has to throw them a little scrap bone (and doesn't even have to be intentional, it can simply fall off the grown-ups table)....and we get this pavlovian reaction lol.

Then they honestly wonder why Burma manhandles them time and again with little effort....and everyone feels a little pity for the puppy whinging but then go back to business as usual soon after.

Just hopeless. I guess when you get no actual respect and recognition from anyone, clinging to each mention (no matter what the context is) is basically abused poor lil puppy wanting to be taken serious moment.
By reading your post, I have a feeling that Delhi has given up on snatching up the throw away bones from the USA. Anyway, the main news in the USA says about the US intention in the Indo-Pacific, but it did not say any words on the BD intention whether it will take the bones away from India.

I think, the BD leadership will not choose between China and USA. It is possible that BD will work both with China and the USA to free the sea lanes from Indian bullying. If BD joins hand with China only, it certainly will displease USA. So, it would be great if BD chooses to work with US Navy in the Indo-Pacific in the east, and work with China in the BoB and Indian Ocean in a little west. How do you think of this? I think, this prospect will not displease India and you.
 
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