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BANGLADESH AND ASIA’S MARITIME BALANCE

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By Paul Pryce

Most discussions of South Asian maritime security are dominated by the balance of power between the Indian Navy and its Chinese counterpart, the People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN). On the one hand, India makes waves with its ongoing work on the Vikrant-class aircraft carrier, the introduction of the Arihant-class nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine, and other efforts toward fleet expansion and modernization. On the other hand, PLAN vesselspatrol the Indian Ocean region, which India regards as part of its sphere of influence, ostensibly to ‘combat piracy’. Prior to the 2012 establishment of INS Baaz – an Indian naval airbase in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, viewed by both the Chinese and the Indians as a chokepoint in the Strait of Malacca, the focus in South Asia was on the seemingly interminable Indo-Pakistani rivalry. But the maritime capabilities of the People’s Republic of Bangladesh, a country that occupies a geopolitically interesting location between South Asia and Southeast Asia, merits some attention.

Facing the Bay of Bengal that separates India from Burma and encompassing the Ganges-Brahmaputra delta, Bangladesh certainly has need for a robust maritime force. As an emerging economy listed by Goldman Sachs among the Next Eleven (the list also includes Egypt, Indonesia, Iran, South Korea, Mexico, Nigeria, Pakistan, the Philippines, Turkey, and Vietnam), Bangladesh has the potential for considerable growth if Bangladeshi authorities begin investing wisely. With several procurement projects for the Bangladesh Navy close to maturity, they certainly seem to be moving in the right direction.
In 2016, Bangladesh expects to receive two Ming III-class diesel-electric submarines from China. These are heavily improved redesigns of the Romeo-class submarines introduced by the Soviet Union in 1957, each with a


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Two Ming III-class submarines (pictured) will join the Bangladeshi fleet in 2016
submerged displacement of approximately 2,110 tonnes. These will be employed principally as training vessels; Bangladesh has not previously boasted a submarine fleet of its own. The apparent intent is to subsequently acquire more advanced diesel-electric submarines from either Russia or South Korea. A likely contender, given the capabilities and size of the Ming III-class, is the Chang Bogo-class submarine, which South Korea-based Daewoo Industries is exporting for use by the Indonesian Navy.

Bangladesh is also expected to take delivery of two Jiangdao-class corvettes, each with a displacement of approximately 1,500 tonnes, from China by the end of 2015. An order has already been placed for an additional two vessels of this class. This makes Bangladesh only the second foreign buyer, after the Nigerian Navy, to acquire the Jiangdao-class. The delivery of these vessels will do much to modernize Bangladeshi capabilities at sea, as most of the other surface combatants currently operated are aging. BNS Bangabandhu, the Bangladesh Navy flagship, is currently the nation’s most modern vessel, having begun operational life as an Ulsan-class guided missile frigate built by South Korea’s Daewoo Industries in 2001. Others include two Jianghui III-class frigates and one Jianghui II-class frigate built by China in the 1980s, a retired Salisbury-class frigate built for the Royal Navy in the 1976 and sold to Bangladesh after its original retirement, and two retired Hamilton-class cutters from the 1970s that were subsequently donated to Bangladesh by the United States Coast Guard under the Excess Defense Articles program. A third Hamilton-class cutter may be donated to Bangladesh for conversion into a frigate in 2016.

Evidently, Bangladesh has been highly dependent on transfers of decommissioned military equipment but has recently become ambitious about acquiring off-the-shelf technology from China, South Korea, and to a lesser extent Russia. Of note, however, is the opportunity for the South Asian country to develop its own shipbuilding industry under the ‘Forces Goal 2030’ program. This initiative, introduced by the Bangladesh Armed Forces in 2012, envisions the country’s emergence as a regional power with dominance over the Bay of Bengal, but also includes more attainable goals like the development of a ‘blue economy’ by tapping into natural gas fields off the Bangladeshi coastline as well as the aforementioned development of the Bangladesh Navy’s Khulna Shipyard, not only to satisfy domestic demand but also potentially as an exporter of finished vessels.

Some of the fruits of that investment in Khulna Shipyard can already be seen. Rounding out the surface combatants available to the Bangladesh Navy, two Durjoy-class ‘large patrol craft’ (LPC) were completed in

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The Durjoy-class LPC
2013. Based on the design of China’s Jiangdao-class corvettes, these LPC were homebuilt and are expected to be the first of a total complement of eight such vessels. The Maldives has already expressed interestin acquiring patrol craft from Khulna for its Coast Guard. The prospect of supplying foreign buyers represents a significant shift for both Bangladeshi military and industry; previously, the closest approximation to ‘shipbuilding’ was BNS Shah Jalal, a Thai fishing trawler seized in Bangladeshi waters in 1987 and put into service as a patrol craft before being converted into a diving salvage vessel in 1996, in which role it continues to serve as of this writing.

As it undergoes such rapid change, there is some question as to how organizational culture will cope. Bangladesh is notably avoiding the pitfalls of rushing into the purchase of new submarines, ensuring it first has adequately trained personnel to operate such vessels. But it is also worth noting that Forces Goal 2030 does not include any procurement projects for the Bangladesh Coast Guard, whose newest vessels are re-commissioned Minerva-class corvettes from Italy. One can surmise from this that Bangladesh intends to employ its Coast Guard for riverine patrols, but that most of that responsibilities fulfilled by this branch offshore will gradually transfer to the Bangladesh Navy. Without a shift in organizational culture and necessary changes to naval training to account for this expanded role, the Bangladesh Navy could inadvertently contribute to increased tensions with other countries that share the Bay of Bengal, namely India and Burma. Claims of ‘dominion’ over those waters, coupled with a few heavy-handed confrontations, could be sufficient to jeopardize relations between Bangladesh and India at a time when the latter loans the former an average of almost $1 billion a year for infrastructure projects.

No matter the route Bangladesh takes with regard to the division of labour between its maritime forces, it is clear that this country does not receive sufficient attention in analyses of South Asian security. An emergent Bangladesh is unlikely to challenge India for supremacy in the Bay of Bengal, but it could tip the balance of power one way or the other in the struggle between China and India. Accordingly, other powers with a stake in Asia should keep an eye on Bangladesh’s fleet expansion and modernization.

Paul Pryce is the Senior Research Fellow for the Atlantic Council of Canada’s Maritime Nation Program and serves as Political Advisor to the Consul General of Japan in Calgary. He is a long-time member of the Center for International Maritime Security (CIMSEC).

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Most thats writen is correct, but the BN isn't looking to expand that much until the mid 2020s. From what were hearing the BN plans to have at least 8 but most probably 12 Durjoy class LPCs 6-8 built at KSYs, 6-8 type 056 corrvettes with 2-4 built in China and 4 built at KSYs, 2 light frigates from South Korea and 2 submarines from either Russia/South Korea/China. KSY has seen significat investment in building modern naval ships, with Chinese assistance.
 
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How much Bangladeshi type 035g submarines are effective?
Any major changes? AIP, launching missiles?
Capability of ASW, maximum days of endurance, stealthy?
 
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Most thats writen is correct, but the BN isn't looking to expand that much until the mid 2020s. From what were hearing the BN plans to have at least 8 but most probably 12 Durjoy class LPCs 6-8 built at KSYs, 6-8 type 056 corrvettes with 2-4 built in China and 4 built at KSYs, 2 light frigates from South Korea and 2 submarines from either Russia/South Korea/China. KSY has seen significat investment in building modern naval ships, with Chinese assistance.

If I'm not wrong, there will be 4 frigates to be added, 2 off the shelf and 2 brand new, costing some Tk 2000 cr and Tk4000 cr respectively. Though not sure from where they will be sourced.

How much Bangladeshi type 035g submarines are effective?
Any major changes? AIP, launching missiles?
Capability of ASW, maximum days of endurance, stealthy?

They would be mainly for training purposes before inducting two more for combat roles...
 
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If I'm not wrong, there will be 4 frigates to be added, 2 off the shelf and 2 brand new, costing some Tk 2000 cr and Tk4000 cr respectively. Though not sure from where they will be sourced.



They would be mainly for training purposes before inducting two more for combat roles...

Depends on what the government defines as frigates, all information that is given to the media is from political sources and tainted/uneducated/biased for public consumption. BN rarely gives out much information.

What we do know for sure is that BN delegates have been looking at options for at least 2 new light frigates. Undisclosed discussions are proceeding with a number of countries (South Korea, China, Russia). Which ever nation that can provide the best finance package win most prob win this tender.
 
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They would be mainly for training purposes before inducting two more for combat roles...

They have combat capability as well. If they dont have these above mentioned characteristics then what will BN train its crews. How to submerge and come out in the surface.
 
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How much Bangladeshi type 035g submarines are effective?
Any major changes? AIP, launching missiles?
Capability of ASW, maximum days of endurance, stealthy?

In terms of modern combat, they are not that useful. They are literally like torpedo boats in terms of combat capability.

I doubt it will have AIP or missiles. The rumors were that chinese converted and tested AIP capability on one of the sub quite some time ago, however, as of now none of the active ming submarines has AIP. It is safe to say that the chinese authorities has abandoned these plans and are focusing on other types of submarines. And no they cannot launch missiles only torpedos and they can lay naval mines.

It is equipped with the y-3 torpedo, which can hit both ships and submarines. It is a decent torpedo with a 15km range, 440m depth. It can also lay mines, so useful in a defensive warfare training.

It is not stealthy at all due to high acoustic signature, it can be easily spotted by enemy ASW systems. However, tracking and hunting submarines can be a pain in the a$$ if they manage to hide properly under right weather conditions.
 
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BD is important indian ally. India could sell some frigates to BD navy if BD plans to import kamorta class frigates
 
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Bangladesh Navy is the real challenge for Indian navy in all of Asia, every other navies are just minnows.
 
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good for BD.. when BN will add brand new frigates.. ?
 
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BD is important indian ally. India could sell some frigates to BD navy if BD plans to import kamorta class frigates

Bangladesh and India may well be political allies but military? nope. Currently, it's only China with whom we have a substantial defence pact. There hasn't been any defence purchases from India for strategic reasons, neither there'll be any in near future.

good for BD.. when BN will add brand new frigates.. ?

By 2030 perhaps...
 
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The Indians trying to make everything about India are already here. Let me give you some short answers to your questions:

1. Bangladesh doesn't need India to "give it some frigates". Bangladesh has recently agreed with China for building warships at Bangladesh with the Chinese overseeing the projects and supplying equipments and weapons. Right now we are just building corvettes and missile boats but if needed we will build frigates.

2. India itself doesn't produce all its equipments and relies on other nations for such. And one of them is Israel, which is a big problem for Bangladesh.

3. India isn't that rich that it can just give away things like frigates.
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See how bright the sky is lit. That's your submarine burning.

Our stupid stooge of a government will only look to gain from military deals since they are done with a level of secrecy. We should have added a at least a few Song Class submarines and bought some Su-35 for deep sea strike ability. Right now, any nation can go unchallenged at the deep of Bay of Bengal.
 
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