Zabaniyah
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Embargo. And high selling price for middle eastern nations because oil.
I guess so. Geez, it's like throwing away all those fancy American equipment.
Can you explain to me how experience with mig 29 has been nightmarish for BAF. I only hear this forum has to say something bad about it. Every time I see bd pilots praising and often asking for more fighters (not necessarily it)
I read about the MiG's problems in another forum (a Bangladeshi one). Unfortunately, it is no longer operational. I even forgot the name of the place since it was so long ago.
I didn't say the Fulcrum is bad. But, we had issues with it. I mean, a poor country like Bangladesh operating a 4th gen. fighter back in the 90's was a bit overkill. But it was a good experience nonetheless. I have explained the reasons before.
We can reference to an old article though, it may give us some insights:
MiG-29s to be jettisoned
Tk 100 cr maintenance cost a year too high to afford, says Khaleda
M Anwarul Haq
Prime Minister Khaleda Zia has said that her government intends to dispose of eight MiG-29 fighters procured two years back from Russia by the Awami League government.
The prime minister was speaking to members of the Commonwealth Journalists Association (CJA) at her office. Hasan Shahriar, Farid Hossain and M Mukhlesur Rahman, president, secretary-general and organising secretary respectively of the CJA, were present.
Shamsuddin Ahmed, executive member of the Bangladesh chapter, was also there.
The eight MiG-29 Fulcrum jet fighters were purchased in a $124 million state-to-state deal between Dhaka and Moscow. Each aircraft was priced $11 million and the remaining $36 million was allocated for training and spare parts. Some ten pilots and 70 technicians underwent training in Russia as part of the deal to familiarise themselves with the aircraft.
The government of Khaleda Zia has levelled allegations of irregularities against her immediate predecessor Sheikh Hasina in procurement of the fourth-generation multi-role jet fighters.
Hasina, the leader of the opposition in parliament, has dismissed the charges and said that the fighter planes were purchased at competitive prices for 'defence of the country'.
The Bureau of Anti-corruption (BAC) has lodged a case with the Tejgaon police station, implicating Hasina and some high officials of her government for alleged irregularities in procurement of the MIG-29s.
In a volume of the recently published White Paper, the government of Hasina is also accused of willful wrongdoing in purchase of the military equipment from Russia. The prime minister told the newsmen that most of the MiGs had been grounded and become a burden to the exchequer.
If sold out now, the aircraft will fetch a good price, the prime minister is learnt to said. Otherwise, she added, the country will require at least 100 crore taka every year for their maintenance.
"It is therefore better to sell them and spare the exchequer from such a heavy, recurring burden," she concluded.
Besides the half squadron MiGs, the Bangladesh Air Force (BAF) is learnt to have a fully trained outfit to fly five squadrons, each having a standard of 16 jets. It has three squadrons of fighter jets. The fleet comprises Chinese A-5 ground attack aircraft, F-7 MB attack and defence role fighters and Czech manufactured L-39 jets. It has also some obsolete MIG-21 aircraft procured years back. It also possess two dozen helicopters, US made Bell and Russian MI-17.
The Chinese government is learnt to have offered to sell at least one dozen F-7 MB fighters which have proved to be less expensive and suitable for Bangladesh during the last government's tenure on deferred payment basis, but the deal was not accepted.
It was learnt that in an evaluation memo by one of the country's top security agencies it was told that the purchase of eight MiG-29 aircraft will not increase the combat capacity of the BAF, rather it might reduce it. "Maintenance requirement of the MiG-29s will exhaust the budget provision.
Other fighter aircraft may lose their effectiveness for lack of maintenance," it said. Ahead of the MiG purchase in February 1999, a military technical co-operation agreement was signed with the Russian Federation in Dhaka. Some analysts said it was not clear why such a comprehensive agreement was required to purchase eight MiG-29s.
While the US was unable to offer Bangladesh a comparable fighter jet at a competitive price, it attempted to prevent the government from buying Russian aifcraft, according to defence sources..
http://www.sdnbd.org/sdi/news/general-news/July/17-07-2002/Business.htm#MiG
Also seemed like a political ploy against Sheikh Hasina at the time.
Also why did riyaz leave Air Force? Or was he kicked out for some reason? He seemed to have trained in f-16
I don't know about any riyaz. Who's he?
Not strange I would say, if you consider the switchings they did in the past between the two.
I read somewhere that it has more to do with BVR capabilities, that they don't get with the American options. So why it would be bad? Everyone has to start new from somewhere, don't they?
I guess they had to start from somewhere.
The BVR part is actually true. It was due to pressure from AIPAC (the Israeli lobby in America). But still, it is a headache managing two completely different platforms from a logistical point of view. Especially in a war-time scenario. Logistics should always be easy and smooth so that we can win.
Interesting. The Israelis apparently have an excellent counter-BVR doctrine. But there are vulnerabilities as that scenario had suggested.
It was not particularly long ago that Egyptian armed forces were primarily supplied by USSR.
Yes. Way back in the Arab-Israeli wars. But they are outdated by now. Switching to a completely different system can be costly. In Egypt's case, it may be understandable.
The MiG-35 is good. My only criticism is that they have been way too slow in rolling it out. And very importantly, we need to ensure that the supplier is reliable and not swayed by politics. That is my prime concern.