Bangladesh Air Force

[Anubis]

not related to topic but google it.
after eygpt offical statement of interest in co production. Argentina has also given offical staement in interest of co production. already competing in serbia aircraft competition.
any person will know that aircraft buying and negotiation takes 5-6 years. so far the reults are too good. i mean so many countries negotating!
lastly, forr any fighter aircraft the goal is not to export but fullfil own requirements. JF-17 1st pirority was for PAF, rest is optional (unlike su 30 which was primarily produced for export). lastly my point of not want to selling was specific for BAF coz of the "indian connection"

what i said that instead of buying 16 f-7s today it would have been better to buyadditional su 30s
BAF doesnt has immediate threats to go on going "stop gaps measures" besides it already had mig29 for that role

Indian connection is not an issue here.Even if we buy the aircraft it is highly unlikely we are gonna buy it from you....we will make the deal with China.They don't care about India.

 

[Bamboo Castle]

@drunken-monke @Bamboo Castle can you guys please take the argument to a political thread.Please leave this sticky to Air Force discussion only.

Sure.. no problem...

 

[Allah Akbar]

samjhgae bacchu ,rikshaw and bmw ki compare nhi karne chaie just like your f-7p vs f7bgi

yup a 4 million $ 1950 design AC with turbojet engine and limited fuel is superior to 4th gen Aircrafts..
its just like saying a rukshaw is better than a BMW
f-7s are down and out old generation aircrafts
no matter what u do u simply cant put a better radar or avionics because of the engine
a modern engine like rd 93 costs 3-4 million $ ,ge404 of LCA costs 10 million$
BAF should either go for mig29s or sell their mig29 and buy su30 to keep the costs down of multiple plateforms
they should also consider older refurbished f-16s

 

[Luftwaffe]

Indian connection is not an issue here.Even if we buy the aircraft it is highly unlikely we are gonna buy it from you....we will make the deal with China.They don't care about India.

No and No, "indian connection" is playing vital role in FC-1 not being recommended by Government of BD minus BAF.

CAC and PAC has 50-50 share whoever you buy from profits would be divided so Pakistan bags Bangladesh's cash, secondly Pakistan might not be interested in loan based deal but only cash. Yes China does care in whose hands their Aircraft goes. PAF/China would not want SD-10 BVRAAM to land in the hands of india not would Pakistan/China want other critical technology/technical information goes into the hands of india so they can manipulate since JF-17 would form the backbone of PAF that would be flying against a number of india air force platforms.

BAF current procurement interprets that they would not be looking for any other platform Aircraft for the next say atleast 7 Years until economy becomes better, Mig-29 frankly in next decade should be avoided on all costs perhaps Flankers are the only way to go as the replacement of Mig-29s and FC-1 or Korean FA-50 as a replacement for F-7BG/BGIs but the capabilities are multifold incase of FC-1 than FA-50 and US components. Engine and other technologies might not be allowed to be sold to BAF.

 

[Luftwaffe]

latest F-7BG1 is superior to your F-7PG and it has strategic issue because BD is going for 4.5 gen aircraft.
BD has long-term modernization plan, initially 16 Su-30 MKB (Bangladesh version) will join in BAF by 2016-2017. so buying yak-130 is logical.

Hi, give us credible links/references [News piece, defence journals, BAF official word] that 2016/2017 is the year to procure 16 Flankers if not please remove the post wrong information should not make its way to such a reliable defense forum, thousands of people read.

 

[Luftwaffe]

In the trainer aircraft program JL-7, T-6 Texan 2, PC-9, EMB 314, Grob G 120, KT-1 Woongbi is considered to be evaluated.

Nope YAK-152 are the only potential candidate but maybe CJ-7 [under development makes it way to the list]

 

[Anubis]

No and No, "indian connection" is playing vital role in FC-1 not being recommended by Government of BD minus BAF.

CAC and PAC has 50-50 share whoever you buy from profits would be divided so Pakistan bags Bangladesh's cash, secondly Pakistan might not be interested in loan based deal but only cash. Yes China does care in whose hands their Aircraft goes. PAF/China would not want SD-10 BVRAAM to land in the hands of india not would Pakistan/China want other critical technology/technical information goes into the hands of india so they can manipulate since JF-17 would form the backbone of PAF that would be flying against a number of india air force platforms.

BAF current procurement interprets that they would not be looking for any other platform Aircraft for the next say atleast 7 Years until economy becomes better, Mig-29 frankly in next decade should be avoided on all costs perhaps Flankers are the only way to go as the replacement of Mig-29s and FC-1 or Korean FA-50 as a replacement for F-8BG/BGIs but the capabilities are multifold incase of FC-1 than FA-50 and US components. Engine and other technologies might not be allowed to be sold to BAF.

The same should also go for mbt-2000....it also a joint project between you and China........China did sell it to us and also provided loans.Are you sure you are going to receive profit from that deal too?
The SD10 uses Russian radar(the thing you want to hide)...The same radar is also in missiles already used by India and Bangladesh!

 

[Luftwaffe]

The same should also go for mbt-2000....it also a joint project between you and China........China did sell it to us and also provided loans.Are you sure you are going to receive profit from that deal too?
The SD10 uses Russian radar(the thing you want to hide)...The same radar is also in missiles already used by India and Bangladesh!

No al-khalid tank is based upon pt3 mbt 2000 and later upgraded AK/AK1/AK2 all info is on this forum but mbt-2000 is not joint project nor does Pakistan get share of money from it's sale by China. So no Pakistan has nothing to do with mbt-2000 sales to to BD Army.

Nope SD-10 does not use russian radar not would china allow any country to integrae with russian/western radars not for now. If you are referring to the internal system of SD-10 well it is alot different SD-10 is post 2005 development where as R-27 is way older almost 30 years old but variants developed are still a decade older then SD-10 so technically SD-10 uses new technologies.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakistan-strategic-forces/81157-sd-10-vs-aim-120-latest-versions.html

FC-1 not on offer until pro indian government is replaced/goes away, we should not be so sure about Argentinian FC-1 interest they don't have money and israelis would easily get access to it even if the avionics and other EW suite is severely downgraded the platform itself is of interest to them.

 

[Anubis]

No al-khalid tank is based upon pt3 mbt 2000 and later upgraded AK/AK1/AK2 all info is on this forum but mbt-2000 is not joint project nor does Pakistan get share of money from it's sale by China. So no Pakistan has nothing to do with mbt-2000 sales to to BD Army.

Nope SD-10 does not use russian radar not would china allow any country to integrae with russian/western radars not for now. If you are referring to the internal system of SD-10 well it is alot different SD-10 is post 2005 development where as R-27 is way older almost 30 years old but variants developed are still a decade older then SD-10 so technically SD-10 uses new technologies.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakistan-strategic-forces/81157-sd-10-vs-aim-120-latest-versions.html

FC-1 not on offer until pro indian government is replaced/goes away, we should not be so sure about Argentinian FC-1 interest they don't have money and israelis would easily get access to it even if the avionics and other EW suite is severely downgraded the platform itself is of interest to them.

Pro Indian government will keep coming every 5 years!

 

[Luftwaffe]

Pro Indian government will keep coming every 5 years!

I cannot predict. The next approach should be russia logically. BD AF should focus capabilities and get a good deal from russian they are keen to give loan based equipment so Flankers are logical choice by 2020 specifically SU-35, 32 is not a big number if BDAF is to keep them for the next 28 Years atleast. Mig-29s should be avoided.

 

[Anubis]

I cannot predict. The next approach should be russia logically. BD AF should focus capabilities and get a good deal from russian they are keen to give loan based equipment so Flankers are logical choice by 2020 specifically SU-35, 32 is not a big number if BDAF is to keep them for the next 28 Years atleast. Mig-29s should be avoided.

But we need basic fighters.Something like f7 but more advanced.FC1s would be perfect for that role.Su30s cost $34million...but FC1s are half the price!Will China sell j10s or j11s?

 

[BDforever]

Based on what ?

Specifications wagheraa tou compare kar ke bataa !

1) F-7 BGI has a speed of Mach 2.2
2) 7 Hard-points to carry Air to Air missiles , Laser guided bomb, GPS Guided Bombs, Drop tanks
3) Full glass cockpit.
4) can carry 3000 kg Bomb including Chinese Laser Guided Bombs.
5) F-7 BGI has KLJ-6F radar Fire control Radar with 86 km+ Range which is near BVR or BVR considering what is the silver
lining between them and can track 6 and engage 2 enemy aircraft simultaneously.
6) F-7 BGI can carry C-704 Antiship Missiles (Therefore maritime also possible)
7) afterburner: F-7 BGI (82 kN) thrust
8) Missiles procurement are currently unknown for F-7 BGI but they can fire the 70-75 km range PL-12,PL-11 and also PL-2,
PL-5, PL-7, PL-8, PL-9, Magic R.550 and AIM-9 .
9) F-7 BGI got J-7G2 Airframe with double delta wing. This improves the lift at high angles of attack and delays or prevents stalling.
10) G-limit: +8 g / -3 g
11) Service ceiling: 17,500 m (57,420 ft) for F-7 BGI
12) climb of rate: 190m/s
13) 3 Multi functional HUD displays and Hotas.
14) Chinese Helmet Mounted Sights.

now check

F-7BG1 is superior to F-7PG but still it is inferior to any 4th generation fighters, even JF-17 and LCA which are basically wanna be 4th gen.

16 Su-30 does not justify the purchase of 24 YAK-130. The general practice is 3:1 or 4:1 or 5:1 and in extreme cases 6:1. meaning for each LIFT the quantity of Fighter would be either 3 or 4 or 5 or 6. That gives you minimum 72 to maximum 144 fighters against 24 LIFT aircraft.

There is still no confirmation about the type of fighter aircraft selected or to be selected. Su-30MK, Su-27SM, Mig-29SMT, Mig-29M/M2, F-16 block 50/52, JAS-39NG, F/A-18EF has been confirmed to have been evaluated. But none are confirmed yet.

In the trainer aircraft program JL-7, T-6 Texan 2, PC-9, EMB 314, Grob G 120, KT-1 Woongbi is considered to be evaluated.

1. i was comparing only 3rd gen fighter, bringing 4th gen JF-17 is foolishness.
2. do you think 24 yak-130 just for 16 su30 ? you will see 7 squadron 4th aircraft by 2026-2027.

Hi, give us credible links/references [News piece, defence journals, BAF official word] that 2016/2017 is the year to procure 16 Flankers if not please remove the post wrong information should not make its way to such a reliable defense forum, thousands of people read.

Hello, our procurement process are not disclosed openly in public media so cut it, BD is not like India or Pakistan. My posts always come from reliable source.

 

[Armstrong]

1) F-7 BGI has a speed of Mach 2.2
2) 7 Hard-points to carry Air to Air missiles , Laser guided bomb, GPS Guided Bombs, Drop tanks
3) Full glass cockpit.
4) can carry 3000 kg Bomb including Chinese Laser Guided Bombs.
5) F-7 BGI has KLJ-6F radar Fire control Radar with 86 km+ Range which is near BVR or BVR considering what is the silver
lining between them and can track 6 and engage 2 enemy aircraft simultaneously.
6) F-7 BGI can carry C-704 Antiship Missiles (Therefore maritime also possible)
7) afterburner: F-7 BGI (82 kN) thrust
8) Missiles procurement are currently unknown for F-7 BGI but they can fire the 70-75 km range PL-12,PL-11 and also PL-2,
PL-5, PL-7, PL-8, PL-9, Magic R.550 and AIM-9 .
9) F-7 BGI got J-7G2 Airframe with double delta wing. This improves the lift at high angles of attack and delays or prevents stalling.
10) G-limit: +8 g / -3 g
11) Service ceiling: 17,500 m (57,420 ft) for F-7 BGI
12) climb of rate: 190m/s
13) 3 Multi functional HUD displays and Hotas.
14) Chinese Helmet Mounted Sights.

now check

Much of it sounds like BS !

So please provide credible links to back that up !

 

[Armstrong]

Waisee @BDforever this is what the forum turned up in its Search Results when I was finding about the PG & the BGI !

Here is what I have for the specifications of the KLJ-6F:

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...-other-combat-air-crafts-2.html#ixzz2ZPALQacK

Where did you make it out to to be 86 kms ?

Apneiii @Tempest II Bhai abhi tuk tou ghalat nahin hoiii !

 

[BDforever]

Much of it sounds like BS !

So please provide credible links to back that up !

ahahaha. someone's a$$ is burning i collected it from internet 7 months ago and kept it file

now you go and find it, i do not energy go for same news again.

Waisee @BDforever this is what the forum turned up in its Search Results when I was finding about the PG & the BGI !

Here is what I have for the specifications of the KLJ-6F:

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...-other-combat-air-crafts-2.html#ixzz2ZPALQacK

Where did you make it out to to be 86 kms ?

Apneiii @Tempest II Bhai abhi tuk tou ghalat nahin hoiii !

i do not know from where he got it, i posted what i got. ask him for source.