Bangladesh Air Force

[LKJ86]

So J-31 next decade and TF-X in the 2030s if you are right.

When PAF has bought F-16 already, is there any need to buy J-10 again?

 

[Anubis]

So J-31 next decade and TF-X in the 2030s if you are right.

Why would they get TFX when they'll already have J-31?

 

[UKBengali]

Why would they get TFX when they'll already have J-31?

Turkish plane with UK engine and design assistance.
Pakistan has already rejected Chinese arms like warships and attack helicopters in favour of Turkish products.
Reasons are due to both capability and balancing IMO.

 

[The Ronin]

Pakistan has already rejected Chinese arms like warships

So who is buying 8 Yuan class sub and 2 Type-54A frigate then??

 

[mb444]

No one will be purchasing the Turkish jets for atleast three decades if not longer . First they have to build it which is going to take time. Then they have to test it which is going to take at least a decade as this is a new design and not a simple copy. After that one assumes there will be several years of operational testing by the Turkish airforce only if that is successful will there be an actual development of a production line which will first serve Turkish requirement before considering international sales. For foreign buyers no one will consider purchasing a Turkish jet until it has been in active service for atleast another decade with the Turkish airforce.

Turkey has taken on a mammoth project and they are breaking new grounds with this project. It simply will take time to mature. It is not a feasible option for BD given our pressing needs for a jet. However It would be amazing if BD actually sought to participate in this project as a means of gaining valuable technical knowledge and acquiring access to a new generation of fighters. However we are talking of BAF the singularly most inept element of our defense forces.... so I would not hold out any hope.

Here’s to BAF aerobatics team, our future first and only line of air defense.

 

[UKBengali]

So who is buying 8 Yuan class sub and 2 Type-54A frigate then??

Dude....

China rejected Chinese Z-10 in favour of Turkish T-129.

Pakistan looks like it does not want to put all it's eggs into the Chinese basket.

No one will be purchasing the Turkish jets for atleast three decades if not longer . First they have to build it which is going to take time. Then they have to test it which is going to take at least a decade as this is a new design and not a simple copy. After that one assumes there will be several years of operational testing by the Turkish airforce only if that is successful will there be an actual development of a production line which will first serve Turkish requirement before considering international sales. For foreign buyers no one will consider purchasing a Turkish jet until it has been in active service for atleast another decade with the Turkish airforce.

Turkey has taken on a mammoth project and they are breaking new grounds with this project. It simply will take time to mature. It is not a feasible option for BD given our pressing needs for a jet. However It would be amazing if BD actually sought to participate in this project as a means of gaining valuable technical knowledge and acquiring access to a new generation of fighters. However we are talking of BAF the singularly most inept element of our defense forces.... so I would not hold out any hope.

Here’s to BAF aerobatics team, our future first and only line of air defense.

TF-X is due for first flight in 2023 and delivered to TAF by 2029. It is stated to be fully operational by 2031.

As for the risk and complexity, last I heard it will use the core of the EJ-2000 engine to produce a new engine delivering around 30% more thrust and BAe will be consultants in the design process.
With Both BAe and Rolls Royce involved there is a good chance of success and keeping to the timeline. Also we need to take into account that the Turkish defence industry is quite advanced and so they will be able to absorb a lot of the tech and be able to design and produce sub-systems like AESA radars on time and with the required quality.

You are kind of talking about the worst possible scenario here. Remember no-one ever believed that the Chinese J-20 will be in operational service in 2017 but it was. UK + Turkey are more advanced and experienced than China ever was in producing a 5th generation fighter.

 

[LKJ86]

Dude....

China rejected Chinese Z-10 in favour of Turkish T-129.

Pakistan looks like it does not want to put all it's eggs into the Chinese basket.





TF-X is due for first flight in 2023 and delivered to TAF by 2029. It is stated to be fully operational by 2031.

As for the risk and complexity, last I heard it will use the core of the EJ-2000 engine to produce a new engine delivering around 30% more thrust and BAe will be consultants in the design process.
With Both BAe and Rolls Royce involved there is a good chance of success and keeping to the timeline. Also we need to take into account that the Turkish defence industry is quite advanced and so they will be able to absorb a lot of the tech and be able to design and produce sub-systems like AESA radars on time and with the required quality.

You are kind of talking about the worst possible scenario here. Remember no-one ever believed that the Chinese J-20 will be in operational service in 2017 but it was. UK + Turkey are more advanced and experienced than China ever was in producing a 5th generation fighter.

Pakistan never puts all it's eggs into the Chinese basket.
Pakistan has many weapons from USA, UK, France, Ukraine, and so on.
Is this a news?

 

[Michael Corleone]

Here’s to BAF aerobatics team, our future first and only line of air defense

Well the Japanese did prevent the Australians shooting at them by performing aerobatics.

 

[The Ronin]

যুদ্ধবিমানের রক্ষণাবেক্ষণ আর ওভারহোলিং এর জন্য বাংলাদেশ বিমানবাহিনী এবং বঙ্গবন্ধু এরোনটিক্যাল সেন্টার (BAC) সবসময় চীনের উপর নির্ভরশীল ছিলো।

তবে সম্প্রতি বিমানবাহিনীর 214 MRO Unit সম্পুর্ণ দেশীয়ভাবে একটি পুরাতন F-7MB যুদ্ধবিমানের ওভারহোলিং সম্পন্ন করেছে কোনরকম সাহায্য ছাড়া। আজকে আনুষ্ঠানিকভাবে F-7MB (414) যুদ্ধবিমানটি বিমানবাহিনীর হাতে তুলে দেয়া হলো।

#DTB

Pilot of K-8w Intermediate Jet Training Aircraft (IJT) of BAF

© Aviadict

 

[The Ronin]

 

[Nike]

Let us not make wild speculation like in 20-30 years from now.
Really retarded to get 5th gen in 2050 as by then some countries would be operating 6th gen aircraft for maybe 2 decades.

Korea simply cannot be strategically reliable enough and does not have the economies of scale of the much larger Turkish economy.

Just lol at your insight

Korean economy is at least twice the size of Turkish economy, not to mention this KFX/IFX is joint development between two trillion US dollar economy Indonesia and South Korea. Meanwhile Turkey economy is in crisis and their size is just 800 billion US dollar

 

[UKBengali]

Just lol at your insight

Korean economy is at least twice the size of Turkish economy, not to mention this KFX/IFX is joint development between two trillion US dollar economy Indonesia and South Korea. Meanwhile Turkey economy is in crisis and their size is just 800 billion US dollar

Lol at your insight.

In PPP Turkish economy is larger and growing quicker.
R&D is in PPP and the planes will only be produced post 2030 when Turkey will be fully industrialised.

 

[Nike]

Lol at your insight.

In PPP Turkish economy is larger and growing quicker.
R&D is in PPP and the planes will only be produced post 2030 when Turkey will be fully industrialised.

Lol at your insight once more

Even by ppp Indonesia is much much larger than Turkey and growing much faster. By PPP turkey and South Korea is comparable

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

And now, R and Developtment in Aeronautical in Indonesia and South Korea is much faster compared to Turkey. Money is real and the progress is real

 

[LKJ86]

Just lol at your insight

Korean economy is at least twice the size of Turkish economy, not to mention this KFX/IFX is joint development between two trillion US dollar economy Indonesia and South Korea. Meanwhile Turkey economy is in crisis and their size is just 800 billion US dollar

Both South Korea and Turkey are lack of core technologies to develop the fifth generation fighter independently. They all rely on the help of west. The input doesn't need too much.
Although Korean economy is at least twice the size of Turkish economy, it is meaningless.

 

[Nike]

Both South Korea and Turkey are lack of core technologies to develop the fifth generation fighter independently. They all rely on the help of west. The input doesn't need too much.
Although Korean economy is at least twice the size of Turkish economy, it is meaningless.

South Korea had more Portofolio on tech industry and software development compared to Turk, and South Korea military industry is beneficial of their military budget and military budget is important regarding military project like this one, in turn all depend on how large an economy of one country it is.