Bangla New Year celebrated in Islamabad

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Indian Bangali intellectuals tried to establish another Calender after the partition of India. They named it HARSHABDA, in the name of Emperor Harshabardhan. It may also be Shakabda, I am not sure about that.

They took all the names of Bangla Calender months, because otherwise there would be confusions with the dates of their Puja and other religious occassions. But, they referred the year (Shal or Sal) with the birth or death of Emperor Harshabardhan.

Their main objection to Bangabda was: it was introduced by Mughal Badshah Akber sometime between 1570 to 1603, and because its counting of years is based on Muslim Hijri Shal. Hijri is a lunar Calender, but at a certain time, Akber changed it to a solar-based Shal. A person can easily find out that there is only a few years of difference between Hijri and Bangla Shal.

Akber modified the Hijri Calender and took solar calender at the advice of his Finance Minister Raja Todermal. Todermal cited that the dates and months change every year with a lunar Calender, and it becomes difficult to collect taxes by fixed dates. This Akberian Calender was introduced throughout Hindustan. In Bengal, it is called Bangla Calender and the years are called Bangabda. But, this Calender is not really special to Bangladesh or Bangali. Almost every States of india also has this Calender, but with different names.

That means current Indian Calendar (even though its not widely used) is based on Bengali calendar only.

 

[Ecstacy]

Indian Bangali intellectuals tried to establish another Calender after the partition of India. They named it HARSHABDA, in the name of Emperor Harshabardhan. It may also be Shakabda, I am not sure about that.

They took all the names of Bangla Calender months, because otherwise there would be confusions with the dates of their Puja and other religious occassions. But, they referred the year (Shal or Sal) with the birth or death of Emperor Harshabardhan.

Their main objection to Bangabda was: it was introduced by Mughal Badshah Akber sometime between 1570 to 1603, and because its counting of years is based on Muslim Hijri Shal. Hijri is a lunar Calender, but at a certain time, Akber changed it to a solar-based Shal. A person can easily find out that there is only a few years of difference between Hijri and Bangla Shal.

Akber modified the Hijri Calender and took solar calender at the advice of his Finance Minister Raja Todermal. Todermal cited that the dates and months change every year with a lunar Calender, and it becomes difficult to collect taxes by fixed dates. This Akberian Calender was introduced throughout Hindustan. In Bengal, it is called Bangla Calender and the years are called Bangabda. But, this Calender is not really special to Bangladesh or Bangali. Almost every States of india also has this Calender, but with different names.

The Bengali calender was introduced by King Shashanka.the starting point is believed to be 12th April,Monday,594 A.D in Julian Calender and 14th April,Monday in proleptic Gregorian calender.The Bengali year is always 593 less than the year in the Gregorian calendar of the Christian Era or Anno Domini era or Common Era or Current Era for the period after Pohela Boishakh. However, the Bengali year is 594 less than the Gregorian year if it is before Pohela Boishakh.
I was later modified during the rule of Akbar to suit the needs of taxation.It was not introduced by him.Had it been introduced by Akbar,then we would have a count of around 450-500 years in the Bengali calender only.
Sakabda is entirely different story.It was introduced in 78 A.D,way before the introduction of the Bengali calender.

History of Sakabda

 

[Indian Su30 MKI]

Ya we know that as you guys (ghotis) used to say the same thing under british raj that "slave first human second"...

If we were the salves of british then u ppl were the slaves of both british and pakistan because pakistan was ur master before 1971 isn't it? wave:

 

[eastwatch]

That means current Indian Calendar (even though its not widely used) is based on Bengali calendar only.

It is not true that other Indian caledars are based on Bangla calendar. Badshah Akber was the emperor of entire Hindustan and Bengal became also part of Delhi empire after a 30 year war. It was around 1603 and at the time of his son, Jahangir. Bengal accepted this calendar as other parts of Hindustan also accepted it. There are two distinct features of this calendar.

1) It was based on HIJRI Sal (Shal), and was started retrospectively at the year when Akber was coronated in 1556 AD.

2) The old Hindustani months such as Baishakh, Jaistha etc. were included.

To understand the relationship that I have noted in 1) above, you have to note that last year the Hijri Sal was 1430 and Bangabda was 1416. There is a difference of only 14 years between these two. This difference has been achieved during the last (2009 - 1556) = 453 years when Bangabda was first introduced in 1556 or Hijri 963.

Note that Hijri is a lunar calendar, but Bangabda is a solar calendar. A lunar year has (29.53058 days x 12 months) = 354.3669 days, and a solar year has (30.4167 days x 12 months) = 365.0004 days. It means that a lunar year is shorter by 10.5696 days. Note the following:

a) 2009 AD - 1556 AD = 453 SOLAR yrs = 453 x 30.4167 days x 12months = 165,345 days.

b) 1430 Hijri - 963 Hijri = 467 LUNAR yrs = 467 x 29.53059 days x 12 months = 165,489 days.

c) During the last 454 yrs, a difference of ( 165,345 - 165,489) = 144 days has been created between Hijri and Bangabda.

d) A 144 days of difference means, (144 / 10.5696 days*) = 13.6 yrs

I am not well-versed in astronomy and I have calculated all those above not very precise ly. However, you will note that the result at 13.6 yrs is very near to the difference of 14 yrs between the two concerned calendars.

I believe in history and I think, no one has any right to change history. Above result shows that Bangabda was based on Hijri Sal.


* 10.5696 days is the difference between Solar and Lunar calendars.

 

[TopCat]

It is not true that other Indian caledars are based on Bangla calendar. Badshah Akber was the emperor of entire Hindustan and Bengal became also part of Delhi empire after a 30 year war. It was around 1603 and at the time of his son, Jahangir. Bengal accepted this calendar as other parts of Hindustan also accepted it. There are two distinct features of this calendar.

1) It was based on HIJRI Sal (Shal), and was started retrospectively at the year when Akber was born in 1556 AD.

2) The old Hindustani months such as Baishakh, Jaistha etc. were included.

To understand the relationship that I have noted in 1) above, you have to note that last year the Hijri Sal was 1430 and Bangabda was 1416. There is a difference of only 14 years between these two. This difference has been achieved during the last (2009 - 1556) = 453 years when Bangabda was first introduced in 1556 or Hijri 963.

Note that Hijri is a lunar calendar, but Bangabda is a solar calendar. A lunar year has (29.53058 days x 12 months) = 354.3669 days, and a solar year has (30.4167 days x 12 months) = 365.0004 days. It means that a lunar year is shorter by 10.5696 days. Note the following:

a) 2009 AD - 1556 AD = 453 SOLAR yrs = 453 x 30.4167 days x 12months = 165,345 days.

b) 1430 Hijri - 963 Hijri = 467 LUNAR yrs = 467 x 29.53059 days x 12 months = 165,489 days.

c) During the last 454 yrs, a difference of ( 165,345 - 165,489) = 144 days has been created between Hijri and Bangabda.

d) 163 days means, (144 / 10.5696 days*) = 13.6 yrs

I am not well-versed in astronomy and I have calculated all those above not very precise ly. However, you will note that the result at 13.6 yrs is very near to the difference of 14 yrs between the two concerned calendars.

I believe in history and I think, no one has any right to change history. Above result shows that Bangabda was based on Hijri Sal.


* 10.5696 days is the difference between Solar and Lunar calendars.

Apart from costly calculation the Bengali calendar was there for thousands of years without the Year in it. As nobody ever knew when it started. But people did use it since long. Before Akbar we had 30 names for each day in a month which was changed to 7 names and divided by weeks. Also Akbar introduced year in it by introducing current hijri year in it. It was just simplest way to do things as Hijri was widely used in official records. Eventually the year got differed as Hijri and Bangla calendar follow two different method Lunar and solar.

 

[eastwatch]

Apart from costly calculation the Bengali calendar was there for thousands of years without the Year in it. As nobody ever knew when it started. But people did use it since long. Before Akbar we had 30 names for each day in a month which was changed to 7 names and divided by weeks. Also Akbar introduced year in it by introducing current hijri year in it. It was just simplest way to do things as Hijri was widely used in official records. Eventually the year got differed as Hijri and Bangla calendar follow two different method Lunar and solar.

Yes, you are right when you say calenders were already there in Bengal since many centuries. But, the Bangabda we know was introduced at the time of Akber at the advice of the country's Finance Minister Todarmal. In BD and west Bengal we just have named it as Bangabda.

All the civilized societies have calendars since ancient times. Same is true for Bengal and other regions of Hindustan.

 

[IND151]

pathetic iajdani!we kicked brits and now we are their masters.