Bangaldeshi Armoured Corps: MBTs

[extra terrestrial]

AK doesn't use a single Chinese sub system .. While MBT-2000 is a Chinese version... Pakistan developed AK on the basis of a Chinese tank ... The prototype with Chinese sub systems =. MBT-2000.... VT-1A inferior cousin of MBT-2000.

"AK doesn't use any Chinese sub system" any source? Both are copies of T-90 IIM, MBT-2000 is an export variant of T-90 IIM sold by China while Al-Khalid is the name given to the tanks produced in Pakistan, VT-1A is a lil upgraded variant of MBT-2000.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

"AK doesn't use any Chinese sub system" any source?

Al-Khalid tank (Type 90-IIM / MBT-2000) Information Pool | Page 26

Can you prove otherwise ? The tank gun is Pakistani, the armour is Pakistani,the laser warning protection system is Pakistani , the Aorak ERA is Pakistani,the transmission is French,the engine is Ukrainian,the IBMS is Pakistani,the data link system is Pakistani.. Etc etx!!!

Both are copies of T-90 IIM, MBT-2000 is an export variant of T-90 IIM sold by China while Al-Khalid is the name given to the tanks produced in Pakistan, VT-1A is a lil upgraded variant of MBT-2000.

Stop being stupid .. AK is based on type9IIM .. It's not he same thing.. MBT-2000 is an export version with Chinese system .. vt-1a is a further downgraded twin of MBT-2000... Which itself was developed by Pakistan .. Meanwhile AKII is going to be revealed at IDEAS 2014..

The whole AK project is under HIT Pakistan n not China... Even the design is Pakistani by a Pakistani tank designer Mr Syed Mohammad Ali.

 

[GR!FF!N]

How many of T55s were used and in which border terrains?

read this...................


The Indian Army had two armoured regiments and three independent armoured squadrons supporting Lieutenant General Jagjit Singh Aurora's Eastern Command's thrust into East Pakistan. India had one T-55 tank regiment in the northern sector supporting the XXXIII Corps' offensive in the Hilli-Bogra area, with one PT-76 regiment in the western area supporting the II Corps' thrust. Finally three independent armoured squadrons (one PT-76, one AMX-13 and one Ferret armoured car) were supporting the IV Corps' offensive from the east. Opposing them were a Pakistani armoured force of a regiment of M-24 Chafees in the Bogra area, countering India's T-55 regiment and two squadrons of Chafeee tanks supporting the west and Dacca sectors.

When full scale hostilities began, half the tanks were either knocked out or captured by the time the Indian troops were on the outskirts of Dacca. After which the rest of the tanks were finally accounted for, as part of the surrender deal. In it's offensive, Indian losses were heavy. At least thirty PT-76 tanks were destroyed or damaged, another four T-55s had their tracks blown up over mines. The high loss rate among the PT-76 tanks was due to the fact that this type of tank had very thin armour plating to help assist its amphibious capabilities and was an easy target for mines. However all, but eleven, of the PT-76s were repaired after the war. The AMX-13s did not see much action and the Ferrets had no battle casualties.


so,as you can see,Even When in BD sector Pakistan had less armour(nearly all of them are light tanks),India deployed heavy tanks.in fact,your analysis is quite wrong.Bangladesh's terrain is quite ideal for tanks,except mountainous regions.Bangladesh is no more soggier than Indian West Bengal,which is in fact quite a friendly region.but yes,heavy tanks tends to less mobility in soggier regions.but BD is not that much soggier.

here,T-55 in BD

Various Pak Army Chaffee tanks captured after the Battle of Boyra on 21 November 1971

 

[The_Sidewinder]

read this...................


The Indian Army had two armoured regiments and three independent armoured squadrons supporting Lieutenant General Jagjit Singh Aurora's Eastern Command's thrust into East Pakistan. India had one T-55 tank regiment in the northern sector supporting the XXXIII Corps' offensive in the Hilli-Bogra area, with one PT-76 regiment in the western area supporting the II Corps' thrust. Finally three independent armoured squadrons (one PT-76, one AMX-13 and one Ferret armoured car) were supporting the IV Corps' offensive from the east. Opposing them were a Pakistani armoured force of a regiment of M-24 Chafees in the Bogra area, countering India's T-55 regiment and two squadrons of Chafeee tanks supporting the west and Dacca sectors.

When full scale hostilities began, half the tanks were either knocked out or captured by the time the Indian troops were on the outskirts of Dacca. After which the rest of the tanks were finally accounted for, as part of the surrender deal. In it's offensive, Indian losses were heavy. At least thirty PT-76 tanks were destroyed or damaged, another four T-55s had their tracks blown up over mines. The high loss rate among the PT-76 tanks was due to the fact that this type of tank had very thin armour plating to help assist its amphibious capabilities and was an easy target for mines. However all, but eleven, of the PT-76s were repaired after the war. The AMX-13s did not see much action and the Ferrets had no battle casualties.


so,as you can see,Even When in BD sector Pakistan had less armour(nearly all of them are light tanks),India deployed heavy tanks.in fact,your analysis is quite wrong.Bangladesh's terrain is quite ideal for tanks,except mountainous regions.Bangladesh is no more soggier than Indian West Bengal,which is in fact quite a friendly region.but yes,heavy tanks tends to less mobility in soggier regions.but BD is not that much soggier.

here,T-55 in BD

Various Pak Army Chaffee tanks captured after the Battle of Boyra on 21 November 1971

Will you be able to provide more pictures????

 

[third eye]

Will you be able to provide more pictures????

Indian Tanks in Moti Jheel. Dhaka - PT 76

Indian Tanks advancing from Jessore to Khulna- T 55

 

[The_Sidewinder]

Indian Tanks in Moti Jheel. Dhaka - PT 76

Indian Tanks advancing from Jessore to Khulna- T 55

Thanks a lot.

 

[asad71]

read this...................


The Indian Army had two armoured regiments and three independent armoured squadrons supporting Lieutenant General Jagjit Singh Aurora's Eastern Command's thrust into East Pakistan. India had one T-55 tank regiment in the northern sector supporting the XXXIII Corps' offensive in the Hilli-Bogra area, with one PT-76 regiment in the western area supporting the II Corps' thrust. Finally three independent armoured squadrons (one PT-76, one AMX-13 and one Ferret armoured car) were supporting the IV Corps' offensive from the east. Opposing them were a Pakistani armoured force of a regiment of M-24 Chafees in the Bogra area, countering India's T-55 regiment and two squadrons of Chafeee tanks supporting the west and Dacca sectors.

When full scale hostilities began, half the tanks were either knocked out or captured by the time the Indian troops were on the outskirts of Dacca. After which the rest of the tanks were finally accounted for, as part of the surrender deal. In it's offensive, Indian losses were heavy. At least thirty PT-76 tanks were destroyed or damaged, another four T-55s had their tracks blown up over mines. The high loss rate among the PT-76 tanks was due to the fact that this type of tank had very thin armour plating to help assist its amphibious capabilities and was an easy target for mines. However all, but eleven, of the PT-76s were repaired after the war. The AMX-13s did not see much action and the Ferrets had no battle casualties.


so,as you can see,Even When in BD sector Pakistan had less armour(nearly all of them are light tanks),India deployed heavy tanks.in fact,your analysis is quite wrong.Bangladesh's terrain is quite ideal for tanks,except mountainous regions.Bangladesh is no more soggier than Indian West Bengal,which is in fact quite a friendly region.but yes,heavy tanks tends to less mobility in soggier regions.but BD is not that much soggier.

here,T-55 in BD

Various Pak Army Chaffee tanks captured after the Battle of Boyra on 21 November 1971

1.You are talking about Dec which is in the driest season. N Bengal has the only tank-able terrain really.PA's 29 Cav with Chaffe tanks were placed there initially. Later a squadron was sent to Comilla.Chaffes are not battle tanks but were provided by the Americans under MAP as recce regts.

2. In the eastern sector Gen Sagat Singh's PT-76s were marooned in mid-stream Meghna which is a v wide river. The tank engines overheated and ceased. Locals in country boats with OBMs and with motor launches had to pull them to the bank.

3. BA will use MBTs for offensive ops across the border. Terrain just across our border all around is tank-able.

 

[Roybot]

1.You are talking about Dec which is in the driest season. N Bengal has the only tank-able terrain really.PA's 29 Cav with Chaffe tanks were placed there initially. Later a squadron was sent to Comilla.Chaffes are not battle tanks but were provided by the Americans under MAP as recce regts.

2. In the eastern sector Gen Sagat Singh's PT-76s were marooned in mid-stream Meghna which is a v wide river. The tank engines overheated and ceased. Locals in country boats with OBMs and with motor launches had to pull them to the bank.

3. BA will use MBTs for offensive ops across the border. Terrain just across our border all around is tank-able.

And will the BA airlift and drop these tanks across the border?

 

[asad71]

And will the BA airlift and drop these tanks across the border?

I believe we will drop them from the sky.

 

[eastwatch]

Indian Tanks in Moti Jheel. Dhaka - PT 76

Indian Tanks advancing from Jessore to Khulna- T 55

Your pictures do not show the reality unless the heavy tanks were air-lifted at a later time and photographs were taken that were shown to Indian public for publicity. Do not be silly to speak loudly that your T-55s can swim over even our small
rivers, let alone our mighty rivers.

So, be happy with the photographs which were meant to feed the appetite of ignorant like you.

 

[third eye]

Your pictures do not show the reality unless the heavy tanks were air-lifted at a later time and photographs were taken that were shown to Indian public for publicity. Do not be silly to speak loudly that your T-55s can swim over even our small
rivers, let alone our mighty rivers.

So, be happy with the photographs which were meant to feed the appetite of ignorant like you.

3. BA will use MBTs for offensive ops across the border. Terrain just across our border all around is tank-able.

Just for the record which are the tankable areas ?

 

[third eye]

Your pictures do not show the reality unless the heavy tanks were air-lifted at a later time and photographs were taken that were shown to Indian public for publicity. Do not be silly to speak loudly that your T-55s can swim over even our small
rivers, let alone our mighty rivers.

So, be happy with the photographs which were meant to feed the appetite of ignorant like you.

While there is no cure for suspicion & doubts & since you are making such a scene on a non issue I am attaching a link to a Pak source.

On reading it you will find that The Indians say they used T 55, the Pakistanis say the Indians used T55's but a Bangladeshi refuses to believe it !!

Just to make your job easier , I am also pasting a part from the write up :

http://www.defencejournal.com/2000/nov/kushtia.htm

Opposing Strengths

2 Indian Corps (a newly raised corps headquarters) was tasked with the reduction of the SouthWest Sector of East Pakistan. The Indian 2 Corps was vastly superior to Pakistan’s 9 Division defending the Sector. It had two over sized infantry divisions (4 Mountain and 9 Infantry Division) and one independent infantry brigade (50 Independent Para Brigade). 4 Indian Mountain Division had three infantry brigades (7, 41 and 62) one of which (7 Brigade) was initially held back as corps reserve. In addition this division also had under command a tank squadron (45 Cavalry/PT-76), a Mechanised Infantry Company and an additional medium artillery battery apart from its integral divisional artillery. 9 Indian Infantry Division had three infantry brigades (33, 35 and 42) and one tank regiment less one squadron (45 Cavalry/PT-76) and one tank squadron (63 Cavalry/T-55). Lieutenant General Raina the Indian Corps Commander had seen action in WW II in North Africa and Burma.
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If the Indians could employ T-55/T-54 tanks why could not Pakistani T-59s have been employed there? And what did most of Pakistan’s T-59s in 1971 war do in the 1971 War apart from hiding in reserve forests or moving in trains!

 

[eastwatch]

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Do not be so sure about what you are trying to force-feed us. T-55 tanks cannot just swim and cross even our 200m wide rivers which are plenty in number, isn't it? So, how it is possible to take them to Dhaka without airlifting or ferrying after the war in December.

Do not deceive us. We are the sons of this land and we saw your tanks as well. One regiment of PT-76 tanks and only one sq. of T-55 were sent to Jessore (our SW) that never crossed the Padma during the war. Even your PT-76 bogged down in the wet land and they also never went to Dhaka.

For Indians living in a make-believe world ignorance is a blessing.

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[third eye]

Do not be so sure about what you are trying to force-feed us. T-55 tanks cannot just swim and cross even our 200m wide rivers which are plenty in number, isn't it? So, how it is possible to take them to Dhaka without airlifting or ferrying after the war in December.

Do not deceive us. We are the sons of this land and we saw your tanks as well. One regiment of PT-76 tanks and only one sq. of T-55 were sent to Jessore (our SW) that never crossed the Padma during the war. Even your PT-76 bogged down in the wet land and they also never went to Dhaka.

For Indians living in a make-believe world ignorance is a blessing.

 

[third eye]

In the drye season all around. Otherwise leave out the SW. Arakan-Chin-Mizoram-Tripura-Assam-Meghalaya- Northern P/bangla. In the East we need to ford R Kaladan and reach the Chindwin. In the N the Himalayas to join up with PLA driving down the Himalayas. In the W drive till advancing Pak-Afghan forces are met. That's a scenario you might like to study.

Having a bad day .. what ?

We were discussing ' Tankable areas".

Any Officer considers The Himalyas tankable needs to be sacked before he hurts himself & the troops he commands .