Baltimore riots leave Chinese family business destroyed

[jhungary]

No, I'm saying we treat all Chinese citizen as equals, the example you gave has nothing to do with ethnic minority but a complete different nationality.

Why are you going on about Ethnic Minority when we are talking about Racial tension??

You do know those two are different right?? The Baltimore Riot is caused by Racial Tension, ie white vs black, minority mean a group of people of same origin living in a foreign country that are minority.

Unless you are trying to tell me Black are all the same ethnic minority, then I will call you a racist.

 

[jhungary]

So it is quite different from the race riot in the US. Just what @sicsheep argued.

By the way, curfew seems not working well:

Police Arrest Ten People First Night of Baltimore Curfew Following Riots / Sputnik International

no, it is not about ethnic minority, Black is not an ethnicity, they are a race. Like you have white race but then within the white race, you have Northern European, you have Middle Eastern and you have Baltic Slavic. Black are the same, and you cannot call it ethnic minority when it is a simply black vs white. The police allegedly not caring on where the perple is from and discriminate against it. They say and protest about the police bruality against the whole black race, no matter where they are from.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Holy shit...

The Blood & Crips got together to make a truce.

 

[gambit]

LOL your incarceration rate is 5 times ours, and most of them are minority,...

Are you sure about that ?

BOP Statistics: Inmate Race

The bulk of US prisoners are whites.

I guess we can learn a thing or two from you.

Yeah...Use a search engine.

and lets not forget how black people ended up on that continent hahaha

And how many of them ended up at the highest echelons of US governments, from local all the way to federal. One of them even became President.

 

[sicsheep]

Are you sure about that ?

BOP Statistics: Inmate Race


Yeah...Use a search engine.


And how many of them ended up at the highest echelons of US governments, from local all the way to federal. One of them even became President.

hahaha, OK man, you sure know how to use search engine, they account for 37.6 % of prison population while black only account for 13.6% US population, you get it now?

 

[gambit]

hahaha, OK man, you sure know how to use search engine, they account for 37.6 % of prison population while black only account for 13.6% US population, you get it now?

Are they in prison because they are blacks ? Or because they actually committed crimes ? Another thing you could learn from US is -- logical thought processes.

 

[sicsheep]

Are they in prison because they are blacks ? Or because they actually committed crimes ? Another thing you could learn from US is -- logical thought processes.

Logical thought process? you should explain that to your countryman @Peter C
Were the Uygurs shot dead because they were terrorist and criminals or were they because they were Uygurs?

 

[gambit]

Logical thought process? you should explain that to your countryman @Peter C
Were the Uygurs shot dead because they were terrorist and criminals or were they because they were Uygurs?

You guys are the ones who wanted to debate race. You got your own racial issues thrown in your face. You were wrong about minority, ie blacks, being the dominant group in US prisons. But being wrong is nothing new to you.

 

[TaiShang]

no, it is not about ethnic minority, Black is not an ethnicity, they are a race. Like you have white race but then within the white race, you have Northern European, you have Middle Eastern and you have Baltic Slavic. Black are the same, and you cannot call it ethnic minority when it is a simply black vs white. The police allegedly not caring on where the perple is from and discriminate against it. They say and protest about the police bruality against the whole black race, no matter where they are from.

I guess the riots is about both, although I would suspect it is more about ethnicity than race if we consider ethnicity more of a cultural construct (and race of a biological construct). One might as well say it is more about class relations (hence economic) as one might see Black cops brutalizing Black men -- Race seems not cut through the larger socio-cultural (ethnic) differences.

Race might be involved as you say but, although I do not know to what degree, ethnicity seems to be involved, as well.

 

[gambit]

That pretty much looks like a police state and the cops are trained to shoot to kill.

Only in the movies do police shoot to wound. For the Tiananamen Square massacre, did those tanks only bumped the Chinese protesters ? Did the PLA troopers shoot to wound ? If you are armed in anyway, you will use the weapon to its fullest extent, meaning if you are armed with a baton, you go for the body part that will give the most shock -- the head. If the victim receive a concussion or even internal hemorrhaged to death -- too bad. If the leg is exposed more than the head, you will go for the leg. That is police tactics the world over. So if the police is armed with guns, they will shoot to kill.

But of course, I am talking to someone who never held a gun before...

 

[flamer84]

Maybe they should have taken to the roof tops with guns like the Koreans.

 

[TaiShang]

I guess the problem is partly the deployment of heavily armed police (SWAT) to every social incident, which increases the number of state-incurred fatalities. I had read somewhere that over the years the number of SWAT calls for minor incident increased dramatically.

The police needs to be reined and kept under better control because, frankly, they are pretty much like an overseas occupation force. That's an overkill.

From CATO paper:

"Americans have long maintained that a man's home is his castle and that he has the right to defend it from unlawful intruders. Unfortunately, that right may be disappearing. Over the last 25 years, America has seen a disturbing militarization of its civilian law enforcement, along with a dramatic and unsettling rise in the use of paramilitary police units (most commonly called Special Weapons and Tactics, or SWAT) for routine police work. The most common use of SWAT teams today is to serve narcotics warrants, usually with forced, unannounced entry into the home.

"These increasingly frequent raids, 40,000 per yearby one estimate, are needlessly subjecting nonviolent drug offenders, bystanders, and wrongly targeted civilians to the terror of having their homes invaded while they're sleeping, usually by teams of heavily armed paramilitary units dressed not as police officers but as soldiers. These raids bring unnecessary violence and provocation to nonviolent drug offenders, many of whom were guilty of only misdemeanors. The raids terrorize innocents when police mistakenly target the wrong residence. And they have resulted in dozens of needless deaths and injuries, not only of drug offenders, but also of police officers, children, bystanders, and innocent suspects."

- from the Executive Summary of a research paper titled, Overkill: he Rise of Paramilitary Police Raids in America
by Radley Balko, CATO Institute.

Map of Botched Paramilitary Police Raids in the US (2011)

(Map Credits: Research & concept by Radley Balko. Programming by Lee Laslo. Add'l research/editing by Victoria Kurzweg and Killian Lapeyre.

Here you can read some first-hand accounts: The growing menace of SWAT teams in the U.S. | United States |Axisoflogic.com

 

[gambit]

Maybe they should have taken to the roof tops with guns like the Koreans.

I do not blame the Chinese business owners for not defending their property and livelihood. Yes, they can get a Maryland gun license, but they and the other business owners are perfectly reasonable to expect members of the community to behave like civilized men and women, and to expect the police department to protect them and their businesses.

Like it or not, this is a black community issue. The mayor is black, the police commissioner is black, and the city council have many black members. If there is a police and black relationship issue, the city is fully capable of dealing with it without the need to violence. What we are seeing in Baltimore is a complete failure of the black community to police itself and the community's leadership in being proactive regarding black social issues.

 

[sicsheep]

You guys are the ones who wanted to debate race. You got your own racial issues thrown in your face. You were wrong about minority, ie blacks, being the dominant group in US prisons. But being wrong is nothing new to you.

every time racial issue is thrown in you face when your police shoot an unarmed Black kid, you are a monitory yourself, Asians being one of the weakest group in the US discriminated by even Black and Latinos, you should have first hand experience yourself, and it should not be something new to you.

 

[flamer84]

I do not blame the Chinese business owners for not defending their property and livelihood. Yes, they can get a Maryland gun license, but they and the other business owners are perfectly reasonable to expect members of the community to behave like civilized men and women, and to expect the police department to protect them and their businesses.

Like it or not, this is a black community issue. The mayor is black, the police commissioner is black, and the city council have many black members. If there is a police and black relationship issue, the city is fully capable of dealing with it without the need to violence. What we are seeing in Baltimore is a complete failure of the black community to police itself and the community's leadership in being proactive regarding black social issues.

I am in full agreement that this is a black community issue.After seeing a black councilman pussyfooting the real issues of the riots and especially that black mayor it's pretty clear that they won't protect their city.

Who will invest in a city,who will risk its money after this ?

How is this idiot still in office ?!?