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yay now China irritates the former Eastern bloc.

Lu Shaye, China’s ambassador to France, said that former Soviet countries have no ‘effective status’ in international law.

The Baltic states of Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia are demanding an explanation from Beijing after China’s top envoy to France questioned the independence of former Soviet countries like Ukraine.

Lu Shaye, China’s ambassador to France, said in an interview on Friday with French television network LCI that former Soviet countries have no “effective status” in international law.

Asked whether Crimea belongs to Ukraine, Lu said that “it depends how you perceive the problem,” arguing that it was historically part of Russia and offered to Ukraine by former Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev.

“In international law, even these ex-Soviet Union countries do not have the status, the effective [status] in international law, because there is no international agreement to materialize their status as a sovereign country,” he said.

The comments sparked outrage among Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia — three former Soviet countries.

Latvian Foreign Minister Edgars Rinkēvičs said in a tweet that his ministry summoned “the authorized chargé d’affaires of the Chinese embassy in Riga on Monday to provide explanations. This step is coordinated with Lithuania and Estonia.”

He called the comments “completely unacceptable,” adding: “We expect explanation from the Chinese side and complete retraction of this statement.”

Margus Tsahkna, Estonia’s foreign minister, called the comments “false” and “a misinterpretation of history.”

Gabrielius Landsbergis, Lithuania’s foreign minister, shared the interview on Twitter with the comment: “If anyone is still wondering why the Baltic States don’t trust China to “broker peace in Ukraine,” here’s a Chinese ambassador arguing that Crimea is Russian and our countries’ borders have no legal basis.”

Kyiv also pushed back strongly against the ambassador’s comments.

“It is strange to hear an absurd version of the ‘history of Crimea’ from a representative of a country that is scrupulous about its thousand-year history,” Mykhailo Podolyak, an adviser to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s office, said in a tweet on Sunday. “If you want to be a major political player, do not parrot the propaganda of Russian outsiders.”

EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell called the remarks “unacceptable” in a tweet on Sunday. “The EU can only suppose these declarations do not represent China’s official policy,” Borrell said.

France in a statement on Sunday stated its “full solidarity” with all the allied countries affected, which it said had acquired their independence “after decades of oppression,” according to Reuters. “On Ukraine specifically, it was internationally recognized within borders including Crimea in 1991 by the entire international community, including China,” a foreign ministry spokesperson was quoted as saying.

The foreign ministry spokesperson also called on China to clarify whether the ambassador’s statement reflects its position or not.

The row comes ahead of a meeting of EU foreign ministers in Luxembourg on Monday, where relations with China are on the agenda.
 
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yay now China irritates the former Eastern bloc.

Lu Shaye, China’s ambassador to France, said that former Soviet countries have no ‘effective status’ in international law.

The Baltic states of Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia are demanding an explanation from Beijing after China’s top envoy to France questioned the independence of former Soviet countries like Ukraine.

Lu Shaye, China’s ambassador to France, said in an interview on Friday with French television network LCI that former Soviet countries have no “effective status” in international law.

Asked whether Crimea belongs to Ukraine, Lu said that “it depends how you perceive the problem,” arguing that it was historically part of Russia and offered to Ukraine by former Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev.

“In international law, even these ex-Soviet Union countries do not have the status, the effective [status] in international law, because there is no international agreement to materialize their status as a sovereign country,” he said.

The comments sparked outrage among Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia — three former Soviet countries.

Latvian Foreign Minister Edgars Rinkēvičs said in a tweet that his ministry summoned “the authorized chargé d’affaires of the Chinese embassy in Riga on Monday to provide explanations. This step is coordinated with Lithuania and Estonia.”

He called the comments “completely unacceptable,” adding: “We expect explanation from the Chinese side and complete retraction of this statement.”

Margus Tsahkna, Estonia’s foreign minister, called the comments “false” and “a misinterpretation of history.”

Gabrielius Landsbergis, Lithuania’s foreign minister, shared the interview on Twitter with the comment: “If anyone is still wondering why the Baltic States don’t trust China to “broker peace in Ukraine,” here’s a Chinese ambassador arguing that Crimea is Russian and our countries’ borders have no legal basis.”

Kyiv also pushed back strongly against the ambassador’s comments.

“It is strange to hear an absurd version of the ‘history of Crimea’ from a representative of a country that is scrupulous about its thousand-year history,” Mykhailo Podolyak, an adviser to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s office, said in a tweet on Sunday. “If you want to be a major political player, do not parrot the propaganda of Russian outsiders.”

EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell called the remarks “unacceptable” in a tweet on Sunday. “The EU can only suppose these declarations do not represent China’s official policy,” Borrell said.

France in a statement on Sunday stated its “full solidarity” with all the allied countries affected, which it said had acquired their independence “after decades of oppression,” according to Reuters. “On Ukraine specifically, it was internationally recognized within borders including Crimea in 1991 by the entire international community, including China,” a foreign ministry spokesperson was quoted as saying.

The foreign ministry spokesperson also called on China to clarify whether the ambassador’s statement reflects its position or not.

The row comes ahead of a meeting of EU foreign ministers in Luxembourg on Monday, where relations with China are on the agenda.
Go and put sanctions on the China lets see your country real clout.
 
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That was a stupid comment. The ex-Soviet states' independence was recognized and China established official diplomatic relationships with them.
 
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That was a stupid comment. The ex-Soviet states' independence was recognized and China established official diplomatic relationships with them.
No, it was not. Ambassadors, especially to major powers, say what are AUTHORIZED to say. High level diplomats like Lu Shaye must know and understand their boss'es thinking and they are usually privy to their countries' secrets, including future plans. It does not mean that Lu Shaye had to make that comment. It mean that if a thorny issue arise, the diplomat either delay the answer by saying he must 'consult' with his boss or say what he is AUTHORIZED to say. That Shaye replied without hesitation mean China's sentiment about sovereignty was ALREADY formalized.

China wants a new world order where might determines who is sovereign or not.
 
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That was a stupid comment. The ex-Soviet states' independence was recognized and China established official diplomatic relationships with them.
Nah, the days when Chinese diplomats bowed and scraped to every flea-bitten dog of a country are long past. These little pseudo-countries in eastern Europe are going to get the fear of God put into them if they offend China again.

If you act like a doormat, people will treat you like one. If you have self-respect and stand up for yourself, people will internalize that you aren't to be messed with.
Do YOU agree with China's position?
Yeah. Problem?
No, it was not. Ambassadors, especially to major powers, say what are AUTHORIZED to say. High level diplomats like Lu Shaye must know and understand their boss'es thinking and they are usually privy to their countries' secrets, including future plans. It does not mean that Lu Shaye had to make that comment. It mean that if a thorny issue arise, the diplomat either delay the answer by saying he must 'consult' with his boss or say what he is AUTHORIZED to say. That Shaye replied without hesitation mean China's sentiment about sovereignty was ALREADY formalized.
What the ambassador said is certainly what he was authorized to say. As to what's formalized... that's more vague. Strategic ambiguity like a certain country likes to practice. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, no?
China wants a new world order where might determines who is sovereign or not.
No. China wants countries to understand that it is not to be messed with and there will be consequences for doing so.
 
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No, it was not. Ambassadors, especially to major powers, say what are AUTHORIZED to say. High level diplomats like Lu Shaye must know and understand their boss'es thinking and they are usually privy to their countries' secrets, including future plans. It does not mean that Lu Shaye had to make that comment. It mean that if a thorny issue arise, the diplomat either delay the answer by saying he must 'consult' with his boss or say what he is AUTHORIZED to say. That Shaye replied without hesitation mean China's sentiment about sovereignty was ALREADY formalized.

China wants a new world order where might determines who is sovereign or not.
You're entitled to your opinion.
Nah, the days when Chinese diplomats bowed and scraped to every flea-bitten dog of a country are long past. These little pseudo-countries in eastern Europe are going to get the fear of God put into them if they offend China again.

If you act like a doormat, people will treat you like one. If you have self-respect and stand up for yourself, people will internalize that you aren't to be messed with.
China recognizes all ex-Soviet states as sovereign nations, including Ukraine and the Baltic states. This knob's mouth got ahead of his brain.
 
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China recognizes all ex-Soviet states as sovereign nations, including Ukraine and the Baltic states. This knob's mouth got ahead of his brain.
Ambassador Lu is not a knob and no Chinese ambassador's mouth gets ahead of his brain. If these countries are going to cast doubt on China's sovereignty over Taiwan, China's going to cast down on their existence as countries independent from Russia.
 
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If you act like a doormat, people will treat you like one. If you have self-respect and stand up for yourself, people will internalize that you aren't to be messed with.
Looks like Taiwan is doing good.

Yeah. Problem?
No problems at all. If YOU believe that Ukraine is not sovereign, I have no problems with that. It would only look good for you if you can support it with at least pseudo legalistic arguments. Lu Shaye have not even that.

 
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Your pure garbage speculation that doesn't warrant a proper answer.
Diplomats say what they are authorized to say, else they must ask their presidents or prime ministers or kings/queens for clarifications. That was not a 'garbage' answer. It is factually and technically correct. :rolleyes:
 
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Diplomats say what they are authorized to say, else they must ask their presidents or prime ministers or kings/queens for clarifications. That was not a 'garbage' answer. It is factually and technically correct. :rolleyes:

I'm loving the Chinese; the world was boring before they started to take positions.
 
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Diplomats say what they are authorized to say, else they must ask their presidents or prime ministers or kings/queens for clarifications. That was not a 'garbage' answer. It is factually and technically correct. :rolleyes:
Diplomats stick to the script 100% of the time and never misspoke? I love how you throw your shitty opinion out then call it a fact.

Like this Americunt here?

Or this Americunt?
 
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It would only look good for you if you can support it with at least pseudo legalistic arguments. Lu Shaye have not even that.
Why bother with the headache of legalistic arguments? Some countries are just too stupid and don't deserve to have sovereignty, like Ukraine.
 
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