Ballistic missile Nasr: A bigger threat from Pakistan

[KRAIT]

They simply cannot. If you have complete understanding of how nuclear weapons are secured, you'll come to know why.However dirty bombs made from fissionable material obtained from the black market could be a remote possibility.

Dirty bomb is exactly what I am saying. Al Qaeda if returns to make larger signature, they might go with dirty bombs.

 

[karan.1970]

Lahore main India ki chiri vi vit nahi maar sakti.

Don't worry about Lahore. IF you guys ever capture Lahore, baisti kar kar ke tum logon ko nikaal deinge.

Attacking Lahore would add 10 million more armed opponents for India.

Kakka ji.. Control.. I am not talking capability.. Just geography..

So are you suggesting that Indian Armed Forces have the capability to conduct an operation akin to the OBL Raid?

Armed forces.. Yes.. Political establishment... No..

 

[Safriz]

Dirty bomb is exactly what I am saying. Al Qaeda if returns to make larger signature, they might go with dirty bombs.

Radition will kill the Al Qaeda guy before he can detonate it..
Although i am not sure how somebody will detonate a nuclear bomb in their backpack...

 

[Screambowl]

Nasr is a game changer how? Because some idiot writer with nothing to write about today, decided to put Nasr and Tactical nukes together?

Nasr is a shoot and scoot missile. Designed to be put on mobile launchers and harass Indian positions on the front lines. Yes it CAN carry nukes. It has a boot, you can put nukes or conventional warheads.

The point about firing 100 nukes (in which case they might be tactical nukes) would be to ensure there is no retaliation. With 100 nukes going off in India, its entire government, army, media, power, everything would be in disarray and hence a second strike of any remaining nuke may not be possible.

First of all, we don't want to use nukes, but if we will, it won't definitely be from a NASR, it would be an all out barrage.

@bold
your post is saying that Indian 2+2= not 4 where as Pakistan's 2+2 is 4. You have no knowledge about Nuclear war.

 

[nForce]

lol...people are throwing nukes at each other here

 

[Safriz]

lol...people are throwing nukes at each other here

Problem?

 

[illusion8]

Nasr is a game changer how? Because some idiot writer with nothing to write about today, decided to put Nasr and Tactical nukes together?

Nasr is a shoot and scoot missile. Designed to be put on mobile launchers and harass Indian positions on the front lines. Yes it CAN carry nukes. It has a boot, you can put nukes or conventional warheads.

The point about firing 100 nukes (in which case they might be tactical nukes) would be to ensure there is no retaliation. With 100 nukes going off in India, its entire government, army, media, power, everything would be in disarray and hence a second strike of any remaining nuke may not be possible.

First of all, we don't want to use nukes, but if we will, it won't definitely be from a NASR, it would be an all out barrage.

If Nasr is used as a conventional missile then that's not a threat, but Pakistan has been projecting it as a tactical nuke missile is what's being assumed here.

Depends on where you use these 100 nukes - whether on civilian population or on military bases, if it's civilian populations then that does not guarantee no return barrage of nukes on Pakistan and if they are targeted at Indian missile sites then there is a problem and the solution for that is 2nd strike and 3rd strike capabilities - which again does not guarantee no return fire for you.

Even we think that you wont be using nukes and that is the reason why we are still sticking with our NFU policy,

But then projecting Nasr as a TNW is what is of concern here, and your nuclear threshold which is being lowered to use nukes to attack battle formations.

It's a question of what's Pakistan's nuke threshold.

 

[nForce]

Problem?

I will be watching the mushroom cloud, sipping orange juice,from safe distance.You guys go ahead.

 

[notorious_eagle]

Armed forces.. Yes.. Political establishment... No..

You must be smoking something real nice my friend, you should definitely share with us what it is.

Lets get some facts straight. You don't even come close to the level of sophistication, training, motivation and the hardware that was required to execute an operation like the one seen in OBL raid. If you take that operation as a benchmark, there is no country in this world that can execute a stealth operation like that. No country in this world has choppers like those, no country in this world has pilots that can manuver their machines like that and most importantly no nation in this world has special forces that come close to the level of sophistication employed by US Navy SEALS. India has come a long way, i will definitely give her that but she is not even close to fielding the same level of sophistication that was fielded by SEALS. Stop making yourself out to be something you are not, you might think in your mind that your scary but rest be assured that your adversaries don't consider you scary. You are more than welcome to hide behind the excuse of lacking 'political spine', thats all good by me because you are just fooling yourself. The only reason why your political establishment does not give the go ahead is because she knows that the Armed Forces cannot achieve the intended objectives, plain and simple.

 

[karan.1970]

You must be smoking something real nice my friend, you should definitely share with us what it is.

Lets get some facts straight. You don't even come close to the level of sophistication, training, motivation and the hardware that was required to execute an operation like the one seen in OBL raid. If you take that operation as a benchmark, there is no country in this world that can execute a stealth operation like that. No country in this world has choppers like those, no country in this world has pilots that can manuver their machines like that and most importantly no nation in this world has special forces that come close to the level of sophistication employed by US Navy SEALS. India has come a long way, i will definitely give her that but she is not even close to fielding the same level of sophistication that was fielded by SEALS. Stop making yourself out to be something you are not, you might think in your mind that your scary but rest be assured that your adversaries don't consider you scary. You are more than welcome to hide behind the excuse of lacking 'political spine', thats all good by me because you are just fooling yourself. The only reason why your political establishment does not give the go ahead is because she knows that the Armed Forces cannot achieve the intended objectives, plain and simple.

So in your logic, no armed force across the world has ever executed an extraction mission except USA. I agree that the level of sophistication may be no where near what operation OBL had, but then Israel did an Entebbe 40 years back with much lesser capability. Its not always about the technology that you have, but a lot of times about how well you use what you have on that particular day

 

[notorious_eagle]

So in your logic, no armed force across the world has ever executed an extraction mission except USA. I agree that the level of sophistication may be no where near what operation OBL had, but then Israel did an Entebbe 40 years back with much lesser capability. Its not always about the technology that you have, but a lot of times about how well you use what you have on that particular day

For you to conduct an extraction mission, you will have to fight your way through from Point 1. PAF's radar coverage is very extensive on her Eastern Frontiers, you have thousands of mobile observation posts, and most importantly you don't have low radar observable choppers like those operated by the SEALS. The only way you can achieve a mission like that is through sheer dominance of the battlefield. As you are trying to punch your way through PA's defences, you can bet that the high valued target would be up in his car and hauling a** far far away to another safe location. Your best option is low flying Mirage 2000's carrying out precision strikes complete unannounced.

 

[naseem shah]

No IA is very professional and much too trained... though India would not capture the Lands of Pak unless Pak captures some lands of India like in Kashmir but still hypothetically speaking if India does capture Lands then these armed men wont stand a change againts IA.

Specially when the IA are maintaining their plentiful supply lines from the huge border of India. At best few clashes but once PA is defeated the irregulars wouldn't be able to dislodge IA. Its beyond their capability to stand against IA. IA will also have air support from combat helicopters.

Also for IA Pakistan areas are not very different from Indian areas in climate and temperature so environment too wont be a problem and they don't need to do anything to adapt to the climate in Pakistan.

let me tell you one thing friend in pakistan people have grown up playing with weopons it will not be easy for IA army to take them out

 

[Black Widow]

For you to conduct an extraction mission, you will have to fight your way through from Point 1. PAF's radar coverage is very extensive on her Eastern Frontiers, you have thousands of mobile observation posts, and most importantly you don't have low radar observable choppers like those operated by the SEALS. The only way you can achieve a mission like that is through sheer dominance of the battlefield. As you are trying to punch your way through PA's defences, you can bet that the high valued target would be up in his car and hauling a** far far away to another safe location. Your best option is low flying Mirage 2000's carrying out precision strikes complete unannounced.

Ever heard of Kazakastan???

 

[Contrarian]

For you to conduct an extraction mission, you will have to fight your way through from Point 1. PAF's radar coverage is very extensive on her Eastern Frontiers, you have thousands of mobile observation posts, and most importantly you don't have low radar observable choppers like those operated by the SEALS. The only way you can achieve a mission like that is through sheer dominance of the battlefield. As you are trying to punch your way through PA's defences, you can bet that the high valued target would be up in his car and hauling a** far far away to another safe location. Your best option is low flying Mirage 2000's carrying out precision strikes complete unannounced.

If its a question of launching strikes, then missile strikes will be carried out. BrahMos will probably take about less than 1 minute to impact in which ever area the target is in Pakistan. It is already operationally deployed.

 

[Black Widow]

This is valid concern.. Lets understand the context here...

If Indian forces invade Pakistan and moving towards Islamabad, The Pakistani Army can use NASR (with Nuke payload) on Indian army (inside Pakistan).

Sounds like plan, How India can avert it??

1. Spread Army in small group so that NASR attack will affect minimum soldier.
2. Carry battery of Prahar and Brahmos（Ｎｕｃｌｅａｒ tipped)
3. Have a powerful attack which don't give a chance to respond..