Baithak: Cultures & Colors of Pakistan.

[Safriz]

tell me one thing Indian Punjabi share same ethnicity as pakistani punjabi so should they be more loyal to pakistani punjabi than indian tamils ? if no ? why not when you suggest they were Punjabi long before Indians?

same is true for tamil people of South India and north east of Sri Lanka. If tamils are tamil for past 5000 years and indian for only 65 then tamils of sri lanka should come before indian punjabi for any indian tamils? NO?

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[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

True that pushtoon,punjabi,baloch were there since before Pakistan but these seperate identities took them nowhere..
No Pushtoon state,Punjabi or sindhi state ever became a world class power in anytning...
Or did they?
'Stuck in the medeival era' mentality will take us nowhere...

Punjabi and sindhi were surely small "regional identities" but we pashtuns were ruling people of india, khorasan and iran.....follow this thread regularly and i will tell you how exactly we have ruled over your ancestors......

No country in the world has progressed while divided into regional ethnic groups.

Only when regional ethnicities sacrifies their regiobal identity for national identity,then countries progress.
Give me a single example when a country has progressed while torn apart on ethnic,linguistic grounds?

and people like you will proudly 'englishify' but will have all the problems with urdufication if that is anything.

So what if Pakistan is multicultural, multi-ethnic, multi-linguistic?.... there is some thing called "co-existence".....The current Pakistan is functioning because it is not directly messing with regional cultural identities, it would break apart very easily if any measures are taken to suppress or eradicate ethnic cultural identities....we saw a strong reaction from your hazarewal community just on renaming issue, imagine how an entire ethnicity would respond when it feels that their identity is in danger....you cant de-arabize an arab, you cant de-iranize an iranian , similarly you cant de-pashtunize a pashtun......

 

[Da-Bang]

tell me one thing Indian Punjabi share same ethnicity as pakistani punjabi so should they be more loyal to pakistani punjabi than indian tamils ? if no ? why not when you suggest they were Punjabi long before Indians?

same is true for tamil people of South India and north east of Sri Lanka. If tamils are tamil for past 5000 years and indian for only 65 then tamils of sri lanka should come before indian punjabi for any indian tamils? NO?

Pakistani punjabis aren't even punjabis anymore. They have become some sort of hybrid punjabi-arab-persian mish-mash and hardly have any similarity with Indian ounjab which still has its native culture in place.

Even if you listen to Pakistanis speaka punjabis its all bhapa language. lol

 

[Kompromat]

Pakistani punjabis aren't even punjabis anymore. They have become some sort of hybrid punjabi-arab-persian mish-mash and hardly have any similarity with Indian ounjab which still has its native culture in place.

Even if you listen to Pakistanis speaka punjabis its all bhapa language. lol

They think the same about Indian punjabis. Perhaps you are forgetting that over a 1000 years of Sufi poetic and literature work has been done in our Punjabi where as Sikhism [Majority of Indian Punjab] is an infant culture. Its, funny how Indians claim everything to their credit.

 

[Safriz]

Punjabi and sindhi were surely small "regional identities" but we pashtuns were ruling people of india, khorasan and iran.....follow this thread regularly and i will tell you how exactly we have ruled over your ancestors......



So what if Pakistan is multicultural, multi-ethnic, multi-linguistic?.... there is some thing called "co-existence".....The current Pakistan is functioning because it is not directly messing with regional cultural identities, it would break apart very easily if any measures are taken to suppress or eradicate ethnic cultural identities....we saw a strong reaction from your hazarewal community just on renaming issue, imagine how an entire ethnicity would respond when it feels that their identity is in danger....you cant de-arabize an arab, you cant de-iranize an iranian , similarly you cant de-pashtunize a pashtun......

You are wrong again...
Ruler on his/her own are nothing.
Its the people he,she is ruling who give the ruler the strength..
Before you go go googling for pathan ethnicity rulers of India..
Let it be cleae that ruler's ethnicity matters not,can be of any..
Its the people that matter..
And any pathan ruler couldnt have become anything by just ruling pushtoons...

About unity of Pakistan..
Its not just because you or any other ethnicity takes pity on Pakistan and let the country 'be'.

What will you be without Pakistan?
Or what any other ethnicity will be without Pakistan?
Nobody and nothing..
Tribal wars will start in KPK and Balochistan..and in other provinces ethnic tensions already there will baloon out of control.
And all will be puppets in the hands of foreign powers..same situation will be seen as there is in many countries of Africa..
So be very thankful that Pakistan is there for you.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

Pakistani punjabis aren't even punjabis anymore. They have become some sort of hybrid punjabi-arab-persian mish-mash and hardly have any similarity with Indian ounjab which still has its native cultubal

Even if you listen to Pakistanis speaka punjabis its all bhapa language. lol

Dont be a stupid.. we are talking about ethnicity not religion..Your ethnicity dont get change by changing your religion. I was not talking about similarity between religion of indian punjabi or pakistani punjabi but any way how tamils, mizoram, Tibetan people in india have any similarity with indian punjabi?

you dont even understand their bhapa language lol

 

[Da-Bang]

They think the same about Indian punjabis. Perhaps you are forgetting that over a 1000 years of Sufi poetic and literature work has been done in our Punjabi where as Sikhism [Majority of Indian Punjab] is an infant culture. Its, funny how Indians claim everything to their credit.

Sufi culture isn't native to Punjab, where did you read that. Islam as a whole is an import from Arab tribal customs.

Sikhism maybe new, but it grew out of Punjab and carries the rich traditions of that land, not a foreign ideology that has been imposed.

Don't even talk about what Pakistani Punjabi think, the less said the better, hardly anybosy out of Pkaistan knows there is a punjab in pakistan as well.

Bhangra, baisakhi, gidda, gurmukhi script etc. all the punjabi stuff happens in Indian Punjab. A sardar is always recognized by his native place of punjab.

I am surprised you can even compare the two punjabs, Pakistani punjabi is all urdu and sing-song bhapa tone

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

You are wrong again...
Ruler on his/her own are nothing.
Its the people he,she is ruling who give the ruler the strength..
Before you go go googling for pathan ethnicity rulers of India..
Let it be cleae that ruler's ethnicity matters not,can be of any..
Its the people that matter..
And any pathan ruler couldnt have become anything by just ruling pushtoons...

About unity of Pakistan..
Its not just because you or any other ethnicity takes pity on Pakistan and let the country 'be'.

What will you be without Pakistan?
Or what any other ethnicity will be without Pakistan?
Nobody and nothing..
Tribal wars will start in KPK and Balochistan..and in other provinces ethnic tensions already there will baloon out of control.
And all will be puppets in the hands of foreign powers..same situation will be seen as there is in many countries of Africa..
So be very thankful that Pakistan is there for you.

What will be we without pakistan? dude we are not in some paradise, our pashtun areas are struck by poverty and wars even in pakistan....we were freedom fighters before 1947, now in Pakistan we are religious extremists and talibans.....tribal clashes still takes place even when we are in pakistan and our FATA is lawless and in stone age as it was in british times.....We thought that now we can avail economic opportunities any where in Pakistan , when we went to karachi, we faced racism , hate and our bori-bund bodies started appearing on streets of karachi......

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[RazPaK]

Sufi culture isn't native to Punjab, where did you read that. Islam as a whole is an import from Arab tribal customs.

Sikhism maybe new, but it grew out of Punjab and carries the rich traditions of that land, not a foreign ideology that has been imposed.

Don't even talk about what Pakistani Punjabi think, the less said the better, hardly anybosy out of Pkaistan knows there is a punjab in pakistan as well.

Bhangra, baisakhi, gidda, gurmukhi script etc. all the punjabi stuff happens in Indian Punjab. A sardar is always recognized by his native place of punjab.

I am surprised you can even compare the two punjabs, Pakistani punjabi is all urdu and sing-song bhapa tone

Somebody get this clown, before I go ma paan on him.

 

[Kompromat]

Sufi culture isn't native to Punjab, where did you read that. Islam as a whole is an import from Arab tribal customs.

Sikhism maybe new, but it grew out of Punjab and carries the rich traditions of that land, not a foreign ideology that has been imposed.

Don't even talk about what Pakistani Punjabi think, the less said the better, hardly anybosy out of Pkaistan knows there is a punjab in pakistan as well.

Bhangra, baisakhi, gidda, gurmukhi script etc. all the punjabi stuff happens in Indian Punjab. A sardar is always recognized by his native place of punjab.

I am surprised you can even compare the two punjabs, Pakistani punjabi is all urdu and sing-song bhapa tone

Anything can be cured except selective ignorance.

 

[Da-Bang]

Dont be a stupid.. we are talking about ethnicity not religion..Your ethnicity dont get change by changing your religion. I was not talking about similarity between religion of indian punjabi or pakistani punjabi but any way how tamils, mizoram, Tibetan people in india have any similarity with indian punjabi?

you dont even understand their bhapa language lol

Religion can be apet of ethnic identity especially in case of punjab because the two dominant religions there, Islam and Sikhism influenced the culture.

Islam is totally foreign with arab customs whereas Sikhism follows all the native culture of punjab.

All the sub-groups you mentiones fall under one big group, call it Indiaism if you may, most of the cultures are intermingled to a majority extent. Following your own cukture does not go against being an Indian, rather enforces it since its all interwoven.

i don't think you understand whta bhapa language is, anyways ask some punjabi friend of yours he'll explain you.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

Sufi culture isn't native to Punjab, where did you read that. Islam as a whole is an import from Arab tribal customs.

Sikhism maybe new, but it grew out of Punjab and carries the rich traditions of that land, not a foreign ideology that has been imposed.

Don't even talk about what Pakistani Punjabi think, the less said the better, hardly anybosy out of Pkaistan knows there is a punjab in pakistan as well.

Bhangra, baisakhi, gidda, gurmukhi script etc. all the punjabi stuff happens in Indian Punjab. A sardar is always recognized by his native place of punjab.

I am surprised you can even compare the two punjabs, Pakistani punjabi is all urdu and sing-song bhapa tone

you go and wet yourself after drinking some desi daroo in some others topic..this topic is not about comparison of indian punjabi with pakistani punjabi. Dance and music is part of every culture and ethnicity and your all traditional punjabi singers still sings poetry of muslim punjabi poet of bulley shah, warish shah, khawaja ghulam farid,sultan bahoo, shah hussian, baba farid, mian mohammad baksh etc..w
wearing turbun or keeping long beard dont make you punjabi..it make you a sikh and if islam influenced punjabi in pakistan then sikhism influenced punjabi in india..

 

[Safriz]

^^^ Luffy..this comment is so spectacularly silly that doesnt deserve a reply.

 

[RazPaK]

you go and wet yourself after drinking some desi daroo in some others topic..this topic is not about comparison of indian punjabi with pakistani punjabi. Dance and music is part of every culture and ethnicity and your all traditional punjabi singers still sings potery of muslim punjabi poet of bulley shah, warish shah, khawaja ghulam farid,sultan bahoo, shah hussian, baba farid, mian mohammad baksh etc..w
wearing turbun or keeping long beard dont make you punjabi..it make you a sikh and if islam influenced punjabi in pakistan then sikhism influenced punjabi in india..

Baba farid is even revered as their saint.


This guy is hatin *** loser.

 

[Da-Bang]

you go and wet yourself after drinking some desi daroo in some others topic..this topic is not about comparison of indian punjabi with pakistani punjabi. Dance and music is part of every culture and ethnicity and your all traditional punjabi singers still sings poetry of muslim punjabi poet of bulley shah, warish shah, khawaja ghulam farid,sultan bahoo, shah hussian, baba farid, mian mohammad baksh etc..w
wearing turbun or keeping long beard dont make you punjabi..it make you a sikh and if islam influenced punjabi in pakistan then sikhism influenced punjabi in india..

Chill guys, why be mad.

As that guy above mentioned, selective ignorance cant be cured, but I can try to help you

See atleast you accept that Punjabiya got affected by the religions, now tell me isn't Islam based on Arab tribal laws, how can Punjab retain its unique identity if it is subsumed by a foreign way of life.

Whereas Sikhism was by the Punjabis and of the Punjabis, henvce the original culture still thriving.

Yeah people listen to bulley shah etc but not to the extent they listen to real punjabi music. Fortunately Indian Punjab got separated from pakistan one and managed to retain its identity, if Urdu was imposed in Indian punjab it would have affected its native tongue too.