BAE wins $35bn Australian frigates contract

[jhungary]

Price is just too much!!

If 70% components are to be supplied by Australian suppliers.

The price is not that much, consider the tech transfer, the reciprocal investment and the investment in local ship building industry.

 

[Tshering22]

Australia has got probably the best frigate in the world and it is armed more like a destroyer and can take the whole array of missiles.
By buying from the UK, Australia has brought from a country that will totally support it 100%.

@waz UK needs to sell like this to try to offset Brexit.

Well said.

UK needs to reorient its trade and strategic ties with rest of the world while being conservative at home. It would easily allow them to push bigger and better deals in Asia Pacific than be engrossed in EU's internal dilemmas.

Is Australia not covered by the US nuclear guarantee?
I do not think that the US will like Australia to obtain nuclear weapons as this will open the floodgates to proliferation.

Australia is signatory to NPT. They don't want nuclear weapons in the first place. So US stationing its nukes on Australian territory would be possible only as long as they agree to it. Staging US missiles on Australian soil means a direct threat to every single nuclear weapons country in the region including, China, India and Pakistan as US missiles have a global strike range.

It will antagonize regional powers including smaller countries such as Indonesia which immediately border Australia through oceanic territory.

 

[randomradio]

That's $35B Australian. The USD price is 26B.

https://qz.com/1317911/australia-pi...warship-deal-with-chinese-submarines-in-mind/

All these Australians deals are pretty exorbitant, like the submarines, unless the package includes spares and support for at least half its life.

I'm impressed by this flashy website for sure. Has details about the program.
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news...k=f45a113080d568bc1d97723821cfac70-1530725842

 

[jhungary]

That's $35B Australian. The USD price is 26B.

https://qz.com/1317911/australia-pi...warship-deal-with-chinese-submarines-in-mind/

All these Australians deals are pretty exorbitant, like the submarines, unless the package includes spares and support for at least half its life.

I'm impressed by this flashy website for sure. Has details about the program.
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news...k=f45a113080d568bc1d97723821cfac70-1530725842

They don't include spares, but including the technology to make the spare and the factory the spare will build on.

We don't just buy the type 26, we are designing our own frigate based on Type 26, this is not a simple option to buy.

 

[UKBengali]

They don't include spares, but including the technology to make the spare and the factory the spare will build on.

We don't just buy the type 26, we are designing our own frigate based on Type 26, this is not a simple option to buy.

Major change will be Australia will put in their own MFR and the 24-cell Mk41 VLS will be replaced by 48-cell Mk41 VLS. Only thing UK will be the hull, engines and the anti-submarine systems

 

[jhungary]

Major change will be Australia will put in their own MFR and the 24-cell Mk41 VLS will be replaced by 48-cell Mk41 VLS. Only thing UK will be the hull, engines and the anti-submarine systems

Also need to notice is that these Hunter Class is a frigate in name only, they are as big as the Hobart Class destroyer. The Hunter class is to use in conjunction with Hobart Class to screen enemy Air and Subsurface threats.

 

[UKBengali]

Also need to notice is that these Hunter Class is a frigate in name only, they are as big as the Hobart Class destroyer. The Hunter class is to use in conjunction with Hobart Class to screen enemy Air and Subsurface threats.

7,000 tonnes and packing in 48-cell Mk-41 VLS is a destroyer in practice.

 

[jhungary]

7,000 tonnes and packing in 48-cell Mk-41 VLS is a destroyer in practice.

If I remember correctly, it's a 24 + 48 Mk 41 VLS setting for Australia, I heard it somewhere the 24 Mk 41 is strike length which carry tomahawk and other land base missile and the 48 Mk41 VLS can carry quad pack ESSM, I could be wrong tho.

 

[TheBlackCoat]

US, UK & Australia should cooperate more to build up their defense presence in the Pacific and SCS.

 

[dreamer4eva]

Looks like a giant over-priced rip-off. They could have bought double the destroyers for that price.
Poor Australian tax payer.
That's the cost of almost 100 Type 54A Frigates. A textbook case of how not to spend on defense.

Its very customized and lots of components will be made in Australia, if we would have procured directly from Poms, it would have been much cheaper. Labour costs in Australia are arguably more than anywhere else in the world.
Small latte cost 4 bucks in Melbourne or Sydney.

 

[randomradio]

They don't include spares, but including the technology to make the spare and the factory the spare will build on.

We don't just buy the type 26, we are designing our own frigate based on Type 26, this is not a simple option to buy.

Must have some insane labour costs then.

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

Total fcuking rip off as usual.

In Australia it takes a lot of money to get little done. We cant even do proper Aboriginal housing and money goes down a black hole of crooked contractors and politicians and their friends.

Badgerys creek airport in Sydney was proposed back in the 1950s and now its 2018 and still hardly any progress. local council spend all day taking a shit and then go home early.

 

[UKBengali]

Total fcuking rip off as usual.

In Australia it takes a lot of money to get little done. We cant even do proper Aboriginal housing and money goes down a black hole of crooked contractors and politicians and their friends.

Badgerys creek airport in Sydney was proposed back in the 1950s and now its 2018 and still hardly any progress. local council spend all day taking a shit and then go home early.

Dude, do you know what Australia is getting for 25 billion US dollars?

This will be 9 8,800+ tonne frigates that are really destroyers in all but name. The radar will be an Australian AESA MFR and it will have at least 48 Mk-41 VLS. As @jhungary thinks it may even be 24 Mk41 Strike-length VLS + 48 standard Mk41 VLS - ships are large enough to accommodate all these VLS cells.

70% of the components will be sourced and built in Australia. A lot of this money will be recycled through the Australian economy.

Australia will have a ship that can provide awesome firepower in air, sea and subsurface.
These 9 frigates(in practice destroyers) will propel Australia into the top 10 Navies of the world.

@jhungary

Found a video about the full configuration about this ship:

This is official from RAN.

So we shall have 48 Mk-41-cells for SM2 and ESSM.
8 tubes in middle of ship for "advanced" anti-ship missiles.
MU-90 torpedos stored at the back of the ship.

This "frigate" is just as heavily armed as the Royal Navy's Type-45 destroyers, but with more of an emphasis on anti-sub warfare.

 

[INDIAISM]

No dude.
This is more like a destroyer as it will have Australia's own AESA MFR and 48-cell Mk-41 VLS. This frigate will be 7,000 tonnes.
Also the ships will be built in Australia with around 70% of the components coming from Australian suppliers.
This is by far the most powerful and best anti- sub frigate in the world. Chinese are catching up for sure but they have no frigate that can come close to this.
Lastly UK is related to Australia by blood and this ensures total supplier support for these ships at all times.

Even then its tooo costly....We are building 6600 Tonne frigate which will have AESA and 32 cell Barak that will cost us around 964 Million $ per ship....So even if i believe you that its better then P17A still its too costly untill unless it include lifetime cost.....Btw in 2016 estimated cost of 8 Type 26 frigate was 10.5 Billion Dollars...

 

[UKBengali]

Even then its tooo costly....We are building 6600 Tonne frigate which will have AESA and 32 cell Barak that will cost us around 964 Million $ per ship....So even if i believe you that its better then P17A still its too costly untill unless it include lifetime cost.....Btw in 2016 estimated cost of 8 Type 26 frigate was 10.5 Billion Dollars...

Dude, these ships are way better than your ship. Also note the delivery time is 10 years later.

They are far more heavily armed and have better sensors. Also Australia will use their own MFR radar on the ship.


PS - These ships are much more heavily armed and has better radar than Type-26.