Backlash in Iran after singers perform at Saudi Arabia festival

[ابن_حیزون]

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/iran-singers-tantora-saudi-arabia-mohammed-bin-salman-tantoura

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/iran-singers-tantora-saudi-arabia-mohammed-bin-salman-tantoura

Middle East Eye is a Qatari regime propaganda channel whose sole aim is to put KSA in a bad light by spinning every news remotely related to KSA in a negative fashion. The second KSA and Qatar go back to normal, this news outlet will be praising KSA again 24/7. Just a question of time. In the meanwhile, we have to do with this type of propaganda. Saudi Arabian media is guilty of the same at times towards Qatar to make it clear.

While I and most Saudi Arabians (99.99%) and Arabs, have no clue about those Iranian singers, who they are or their songs, a simple visit to Youtube can destroy this notion that this Qatari owned propaganda channel tries to portray. 1000's of Iranians are writing warm words to KSA and thanking KSA for hosting those people and similarly many Saudi Arabians are saying positive things about Iran in return.

1 million views, 90% of them are probably Iranians, rest are Saudi Arabians, lol.

Besides this was great exposure for KSA. Al-Ula, one of the oldest and largest archaeological sites in the world (World UNESCO Heritage Site), one of the most impressive concert halls in the world, beautiful nature and world famous Arabian hospitality at display.

In Arabian culture, guests, must always be welcomed and treated well and politics is politics, has nothing to do with 99.99% of the average people in both countries. Most populations are clueless about each other (at least the youth) due to the political climate and the sheep mentality of the average human.

In any case, KSA is only winning on this whatever way you are looking at it. Not sure how hospitality can be pinned in a negative fashion.

Even though I personally disagree with the Iranian regime and their policies (in the Arab world at least by large), I would welcome even a hostile Mullah into my household like any other guest because this is what we were brought up with. I think a similar thing would happen in Iran although I am not sure.

@Rukarl @OldTwilight

Rivalry aside, would Iran or has Iran ever hosted Arab musicians and would they be able to sing in Iran without trouble? Just curious as your compatriot started this thread.

In any case I think that such cultural interactions are a good thing for the region. More of this is needed to bridge gaps between people. I might be naive here but at the end of the day, people are similar everywhere.

 

[Rukarl]

Middle East Eye is a Qatari regime propaganda channel whose sole aim is to put KSA in a bad light by spinning every news remotely related to KSA in a negative fashion. The second KSA and Qatar go back to normal, this news outlet will be praising KSA again 24/7. Just a question of time. In the meanwhile, we have to do with this type of propaganda. Saudi Arabian media is guilty of the same at times towards Qatar to make it clear.

While I and most Saudi Arabians (99.99%) and Arabs, have no clue about those Iranian singers, who they are or their songs, a simple visit to Youtube can destroy this notion that this Qatari owned propaganda channel tries to portray. 1000's of Iranians are writing warm words to KSA and thanking KSA for hosting those people and similarly many Saudi Arabians are saying positive things about Iran in return.

1 million views, 90% of them are probably Iranians, rest are Saudi Arabians, lol.

Besides this was great exposure for KSA. Al-Ula, one of the oldest and largest archaeological sites in the world (World UNESCO Heritage Site), one of the most impressive concert halls in the world, beautiful nature and world famous Arabian hospitality at display.

In Arabian culture, guests, must always be welcomed and treated well and politics is politics, has nothing to do with 99.99% of the average people in both countries. Most populations are clueless about each other (at least the youth) due to the political climate and the sheep mentality of the average human.

In any case, KSA is only winning on this whatever way you are looking at it. Not sure how hospitality can be pinned in a negative fashion.

Even though I personally disagree with the Iranian regime and their policies (in the Arab world at least by large), I would welcome even a hostile Mullah into my household like any other guest because this is what we were brought up with. I think a similar thing would happen in Iran although I am not sure.

@Rukarl @OldTwilight

Rivalry aside, would Iran or has Iran ever hosted Arab musicians and would they be able to sing in Iran without trouble? Just curious as your compatriot started this thread.

The Iranian people are peaceful people and can&want to be friends with everyone, including the Arabs in Saudi, UAE,Iraq,Tunisia,Kuwait,Bahrain etc. Speaking on a personal level, the Arabs i met were very similar to Iranians. Warm and kind and polite. Different than some certain steppe folks in our region (You know who im talking about).

About that event organized in Saudi Arabia, politics aside, the average Iranian has no problem with it even among the most nationalistic Iranians, like me.

Hope peace prevails in our region so the outsider has no excuse to stay and rob the nations.

Edit : even on the governmental level the best friends we have are the Arabs in Hezbollah,Iraq,Oman etc. So it has nothing to do with race or something like that. Just politics.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

The Iranian people are peaceful people and can&want to be friends with everyone, including the Arabs in Saudi, UAE,Iraq,Tunisia,Kuwait,Bahrain etc. Speaking on a personal level, the Arabs i met were very similar to Iranians. Warm and kind and polite. Different than some certain steppe folks in our region (You know who im talking about).

About that event organized in Saudi Arabia, politics aside, the average Iranian has no problem with it even among the most nationalistic Iranians, like me.

Hope peace prevails in our region so the outsider has no excuse to stay and rob the nations.

Edit : even on the governmental level the best friends we have are the Arabs in Hezbollah,Iraq,Oman etc. So it has nothing to do with race or something like that. Just politics.

Well, Arabs (in particular people of the GCC and Iraq) have the closest (historical and people to people and cultural) ties and exchanges of all the Arabs in the Arab world with Iranians and vice versa.
I am sure that most educated Iranians, especially Iranians from Western and Southern Iran, know that even intermarriages were/are occurring to this day. It is no coincidence that the largest Iranian diaspora in the region is located in the GCC, mainly UAE and Bahrain with communities in Oman, Kuwait and even KSA as well (Iranian Arabs, Baloch and Sunni Persians from Fars/South Iran). Or the Arab community in Iran.

Well, the problems between Arabs and Iranians of today are mostly tied to geopolitics of the last 40 + years other than once historical rivalry but at many points in history Arabs and Iranians used to be allies. At times I feel that there is a very distorted and simplistic version of events portrayed by both parties.

I am curious, do you have some material in Farsi available about say Saudi Arabian Shias visiting Iran or something alike? There is material of Iranian pilgrims visiting Makkah and Madinah and some interviews which were interesting to watch.

Something like this:

 

[Rukarl]

Well, Arabs (in particular people of the GCC and Iraq) have the closest (historical and people to people and cultural) ties and exchanges of all the Arabs in the Arab world with Iranians.
I am sure that most educated Iranians, especially Iranians from Western and Southern Iran, know that even intermarriages were/are occurring to this day. It is no coincidence that the largest Iranian diaspora in the region is located in the GCC, mainly UAE and Bahrain with communities in Oman, Kuwait and even KSA as well (Iranian Arabs, Baloch and Sunni Persians from Fars/South Iran). Or the Arab community in Iran.

Well, the problems between Arabs and Iranians of today are mostly tied to geopolitics of the last 40 + years other than once historical rivalry but at many points in history Arabs and Iranians used to be allies. At times I feel that there is a very distorted and simplistic version of events portrayed by both parties.

I am curious, do you have some material in Farsi available about say Saudi Arabian Shias visiting Iran or something alike? There is material of Iranian pilgrims visiting Makkah and Madinah and some interviews which were interesting to watch.

Something like this:

As time passes and with all the information and technology that exists today people become smarter and can judge better. The same goes for Iranians and Arabs.
Those distorted and simplistic versions are the result of backward thinking. By both parties, unfortunately. While both Iranians and Arabs are proud of their history and culture by no means should this result in bad behaviour. We are neighbours for goodness sake.

Generally speaking, well, its life. The homo sapiens (humans) wage war and sometimes win or lose and sometimes shit happens. Thats life. Im specifically talking about the Iran-Arab wars. In my idea the historical rivalry should just remain in the history books and instead focus on building stronger bridges and increasing the quality of life for both sides.

About the current geopolitical mess between Iran and Arabs well i can sum it up this way ''Fcked up''. There is no excuse for any party to behave like the way they are doing now. Hope it gets better.

Btw, was Soleimani really carrying message for the Saudi leadership or was it just some rumour ? Any mention in Arab media?

About Saudi pilgrims, i tried to do a quick search but i didnt find anything unfortunately. I will post it if i find it.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

As time passes and with all the information and technology that exists today people become smarter and can judge better. The same goes for Iranians and Arabs.
Those distorted and simplistic versions are the result of backward thinking. By both parties, unfortunately. While both Iranians and Arabs are proud of their history and culture by no means should this result in bad behaviour. We are neighbours for goodness sake.

Generally speaking, well, its life. The homo sapiens (humans) wage war and sometimes win or lose and sometimes shit happens. Thats life. Im specifically talking about the Iran-Arab wars. In my idea the historical rivalry should just remain in the history books and instead focus on building stronger bridges and increasing the quality of life for both sides.

About the current geopolitical mess between Iran and Arabs well i can sum it up this way ''Fcked up''. There is no excuse for any party to behave like the way they are doing now. Hope it gets better.

Btw, was Soleimani really carrying message for the Saudi leadership or was it just some rumour ? Any mention in Arab media?

About Saudi pilgrims, i tried to do a quick search but i didnt find anything unfortunately. I will post it if i find it.

I agree, politics and power struggles (initiated by the ruling class) and people to people relations are two different things entirely by large.

Well, eventually (I suspect) things will calm down and those in power will realize that cooperation is the only way forward and that this will benefit their own people the most first and foremost. Just think, for a while, how much money has been wasted.

We cannot know for sure but this is what the Iraqi PM claimed. There are talks behind the scene for sure (I mean Iranian pilgrims visited last Umrah) and there must be some sort of cross border trade (albeit small) as well.

Maybe this coronavirus mess can give a much needed perspective for the leaderships of the region and the approaching global financial crisis.

Well, maybe another Iranian user (if he sees the post) will be of help.

 

[ابن_حیزون]

whatever the new corona virus is , it cannot survive the saudi heat

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

whatever the new corona virus is , it cannot survive the saudi heat

Saudi Arabia is not even close to being the hottest country in the Middle East. Temperatures are higher during the summer in Southern and Western Iran for instance. In Iraq as well. Kuwait too. In UAE and Qatar as well. Most of KSA is mountainous/highland which lovers the temperature as well as the inland location.

Humidity is much lower than in most of the Middle East during the summer as well except for the coastal regions. The hottest area of KSA is the coastal region of the Eastern Province just across Iran.

Also there are big differences between day and night temperatures in much of KSA.

Anyway not sure what temperatures and the coronavirus have to do with this thread, lol. So far there are less than 600 infected (officially) in KSA and 0 casualties. The country is well prepared after the MERS experience although only 800 people were infected overall and MERS was/is 20-40 times deadlier on average than Covid-19.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

@Philosopher.

What is your take on news like this and do you have any material (video) in Farsi of Saudi Arabian Shia pilgrims visiting Iran similar to the nature of the video that I posted in post 4? I am curious. Thanks.

After this coronavirus pandemic and the likely huge global recession, sanity should prevail in the region and some compromises should be reached for the mutual benefit of everyone in the region. Otherwise the combination of all this and the already existing problems in the region, will ultimately burry us all if sane heads do not prevail. Goes for the entire world as well.

 

[Safriz]

The Persian Zoroastrian hate against Arabs is being carried on by new version of Persian empire , Iran.
They loath Arabs Because Arabs as Muslims defeated and ended their Zoroastrian Persian empire.
We Muslims should have nothing to do with this Persian hate

 

[Rukarl]

The Persian Zoroastrian hate against Arabs is being carried on by new version of Persian empire , Iran.
They loath Arabs Because Arabs as Muslims defeated and ended their Zoroastrian Persian empire.
We Muslims should have nothing to do with this Persian hate

Thank you for your highly intellectual input. If you bothered to read the posts here in this thread you would have some ideas that would have prevented you from making such a dumb comment.

For your information, i am a Persian nationalist and i have nothing against Saudi Arabia. Why should i or the thousands of other educated Persian nationalists ? Do you expect us to carry a sword and go fight the Saudi Arabians ? For what ? For some historical battle that took place centuries ago ?

Anyway, There are thousands of Iranians living in UAE,Kuwait,Bahrain and other Arabian countries without any major incidents so your backward way of thinking does not fit the reality.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

The Persian Zoroastrian hate against Arabs is being carried on by new version of Persian empire , Iran.
They loath Arabs Because Arabs as Muslims defeated and ended their Zoroastrian Persian empire.
We Muslims should have nothing to do with this Persian hate

It is not as simplistic as this. Pre-Islamic Iran was heavily influenced by civilizations and cultures from the Arab world, even the Semitic Aramaic language was the lingua franca (state language of Persia) and much of the population was indigenous to the Arab world. Prior to 500 BC, civilizations in what is now Iraq and Arabia also influenced and had a military/physical presence in what is today Iran, mostly Western and Southern Iran. Relations in other words are complex and deep and millennia old with influences from both sides.

Zorostrianism itself was influenced by the ancient Semitic religions followed in the Arab world and Zoroastrianism itself later influenced the region. In fact there were Arab followers of Zoroastrianism in the Arabian Peninsula, mostly Eastern Arabia.

PDF nonsense/trolling/dick measuring contests aside, I can also safely say that the more Iranians I met in person (whatever ethnic group be they Persian, Azeri, Arab, Lur, Baloch) the more I realize how much we share with each other.

Eastern Arabia is a great example of this as is Southern Iran and Khuzestan/Al-Ahwaz. In those neighboring regions people of all ethnic groups (Arab, Persian, Lur, Bakthiari or how you spell it etc.) have been intermarrying and creating a fusion of cultures on both sides of the pond across sect (Sunni and Shia) etc. Even long prior to that there was the Arab Persian identity. All this is often forgotten due to geopolitics and even I as an ardent anti-Iranian regime user (everyone that knows me here will attest to this) cannot deny the above nor can any Iranian regardless of ideology, ethnic group or religion.

We should not forget that Arab kingdoms, political entities were for a long time allies with Persia. Sure there were conflicts as well. Similarly with Byzantine/Greeks who we share (historically) a lot with too. History is not this simple/black and white. It never really was but depending on the agenda one wants to employ, you can reduce it to such simple things.

BTW I don't deny that there is an element of Iranians (mostly nationalists) who harbor anti-Arab feelings for the reasons that you wrote, similarly you have Arabs who will react to those feelings or the whole sectarian angle among the religiously motived people. That however is far from all people, otherwise there would have been devastating wars in the past millennia between Arabs and Persians many times yet in reality the wars can be counted on less than 1 hand.

Thank you for your highly intellectual input. If you bothered to read the posts here in this thread you would have some ideas that would have prevented you from making such a dumb comment.

For your information, i am a Persian nationalist and i have nothing against Saudi Arabia. Why should i or the thousands of other educated Persian nationalists ? Do you expect us to carry a sword and go fight the Saudi Arabians ? For what ? For some historical battle that took place centuries ago ?

Anyway, There are thousands of Iranians living in UAE,Kuwait,Bahrain and other Arabian countries without any major incidents so your backward way of thinking does not fit the reality.

Such comments are very simplistic indeed but they can (unfortunately) be found among ignorant Arabs and Iranians as well.

 

[Philosopher]

@Philosopher.

What is your take on news like this and do you have any material (video) in Farsi of Saudi Arabian Shia pilgrims visiting Iran similar to the nature of the video that I posted in post 4? I am curious. Thanks.

After this coronavirus pandemic and the likely huge global recession, sanity should prevail in the region and some compromises should be reached for the mutual benefit of everyone in the region. Otherwise the combination of all this and the already existing problems in the region, will ultimately burry us all if sane heads do not prevail. Goes for the entire world as well.

I like this news. The best way to break the barriers in the region is for our people to engage and visit each other etc. This is true in life in general. Best way to deal with any xenophobia is to expose ourselves to others. People in that part of world have much more in common than not in common, when they spend time together, they will realise this and things will improve. Regimes tend to take advantage of any xenophobic energy in society and in that process cause great destruction and misery. Look at the Europeans, they seem calmer with each other now, but how many Europeans died in WW2? I have no doubt that the most important step we can take ourselves is break these barriers that only exist in our minds and realise that at the end of way, we're all just subtlety different versions of each other. Best way to do that can be as simple as just visiting each other's nations. It is not just sad, but beyond pathetic how all these potentials are not being realised but instead, the people continue to suffer in a region that probably has more resources than any other region.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

I like this news. The best way to break the barriers in the region is for our people to engage and visit each other etc. This is true in life in general. Best way to deal with any xenophobia is to expose ourselves to others. People in that part of world have much more in common than not in common, when they spend time together, they will realise this and things will improve. Regimes tend to take advantage of any xenophobic energy in society and in that process cause great destruction and misery. Look at the Europeans, they seem calmer with each other now, but how many Europeans died in WW2? I have no doubt that the most important step we can take ourselves is break these barriers that only exist in our minds and realise that at the end of way, we're all just subtlety different versions of each other. Best way to do that can be as simple as just visiting each other's nations. It is not just sad, but beyond pathetic how all these potentials are not being realised but instead, the people continue to suffer in a region that probably has more resources than any other region.

Well put. More people to people interaction (ordinary people) is needed and I think that this will occur more and more often. When the political/regime initiated power plays have ended and every party realizes that there is no real winner (the world of today is not the same as it was in antiquity, ancient times or even the Middle Ages where you could conquer territory and change the political landscape frequently), people to people interaction (pilgrims, tourists, business, educational sector, scientists working together etc.) will follow suit.

Look at Iraq and Iran relations after the bloody Iraq-Iran war of the 1980's and from 2003 onwards. I know that this relationship is mostly based/strong among religious people/Iranian government/Iraqi Shia parties, but even ordinary people are now looking past that war/past conflicts although a rivalry (mostly sporting nowadays) remains. So KSA/GCC-Iran in comparison should be easier given no history of such war. The proxy conflicts (actually just local civil wars/wars that each party have taken their side with) are what they are. It will eventually end.

BTW this goes for Israel as well. I honestly hope that all Arab states and Israel will have cordial and mutually beneficial ties too eventually with the Palestinian-Israeli conflict being solved. Regional (all of the region) cooperation could accomplish tremendous results.

So we should start in the small, PDF being a forum where trolling/nationalism is rampant, aside, even the fact that we can have such discussions in the first place, is a good sign. Blind hatred/ignorance etc. has not benefitted anything and will not benefit anything for most people or the region whether on the short or longterm.

Sorry for my English, it's late, I am tired and I am I just literaly typing without much thought/reading what I actually write/bothering to correct mistakes.