Babur praised South-Asian caste system as an advantage

[Max]

bcoz it suited his vision of divide and rule, lots and lots of castes readily accepted him bcoz only Rajputs and other kshtriya castes were supposed to fight. why wouldn't he love such a system?

 

[Arsalan]

The topic have nothing to do with Babur's sexual orientations. Please refrain from profane posts that are meant to derail the thread. Warning Issued.

 

[crankthatskunk]

"There is fixed caste for every sort of work,which has done that work or that thing from father to son till now."

You should backup your claims.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1253711844797231105

More on this : https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/06/07/genetical-observations-on-caste/

You actually have confirmed what I was saying. If you see the map, you see great concentrations is in Afghanistan and Central Asia. My origins are from that area. The rest is north Pakistan for obvious reasons, mostly Afghan stock. Only little part of India, or North India as you put it. Punjab, Kashmir up to Dehli.
Once again, for simple reasons, most conquers and their bloodline settled there.
Thus, proven, Indians are not Aryans. Some part of Iranian, Afghans, Pushtoons, Kashmiris, some who settled in Punjab and Delhi and Central Asians are Aryans.

 

[xeuss]

Absolutely. The caste system was seen as an excellent means of subjugation and there was no way of deposing Brahmins of their privileged status without unravelling Hinduism itself. Islam, Christianity and other religions offered a way out but again, Brahmin classes opposed this attempt to erode their power base. Why do you think hindutva lumps "abrahamic" faiths together to save time these days when listing "hinduphobic" forces?

If not the mughals, then the Aryans or the Brahmins or the British would have - and in fact did - exploit the caste system.

The stupidest thing about modern Indian citizens who bash on behalf of Modi is that they routinely criticise mughals for doing exactly what Brahmins have done and continue to do. Ultimately, this should come as no shock, since Brahmins and northern Indians in general came from Aryan invaders.

Mughals were just interested in ruling. All available means were employed, be it the caste system or the alliances with Rajputs or Peshwas.

 

[Naofumi]

Thus, proven, Indians are not Aryans. Some part of Iranian, Afghans, Pushtoons, Kashmiris, some who settled in Punjab and Delhi and Central Asians are Aryans.

LOL
1) Persians are not even R1a predominantly, they're J2.
2) It's freaking 48%, that much are settled populations?
3) Some groups like West Bengal Brahmins have 72% R1a, lol.

 

[Naofumi]

R1a-Z93 (Indo-Iranian branch of R1a)
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

"There is fixed caste for every sort of work,which has done that work or that thing from father to son till now."

You should backup your claims.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1253711844797231105

More on this : https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/06/07/genetical-observations-on-caste/

Looks like only East Punjab and Kashmir are Aryan according to this map. Which makes sense because they share common racial origin with Pakistanis.

You actually have confirmed what I was saying. If you see the map, you see great concentrations is in Afghanistan and Central Asia. My origins are from that area. The rest is north Pakistan for obvious reasons, mostly Afghan stock. Only little part of India, or North India as you put it. Punjab, Kashmir up to Dehli.
Once again, for simple reasons, most conquers and their bloodline settled there.
Thus, proven, Indians are not Aryans. Some part of Iranian, Afghans, Pushtoons, Kashmiris, some who settled in Punjab and Delhi and Central Asians are Aryans.

They are not. Pakistanis, Afghans, and Iranians are.

We share the same genetics with a few differences. Add in IVC and Turks. For Baloch and Sindh, add in Arabs, Persian, and bit of Africans.

 

[Naofumi]

Looks like only East Punjab and Kashmir are Aryan according to this map. Which makes sense because they share common racial origin with Pakistanis.

LOL, Accordingly, Neither are Southern Punjab (Pakistan), Sindh and Balochistan.
On another note, it's an approximation, second map from eupedia is more accurate.

Looks like only East Punjab and Kashmir are Aryan according to this map. Which makes sense because they share common racial origin with Pakistanis.



They are not. Pakistanis, Afghans, and Iranians are.

We share the same genetics with a few differences. Add in IVC and Turks. For Baloch and Sindh, add in Arabs, Persian, and bit of Africans.

Also, there are highly segregated caste based differences too

ANI = Ancestral North Indian = Indo-Aryan Proxy.

Mughals were just interested in ruling. All available means were employed, be it the caste system or the alliances with Rajputs or Peshwas.

Correct but on this basis British did more - they established schools for lower castes, banned Sati and their influence reformed Hinduism itself, it's a pity that 1000 years of Muslim rule couldn't do it.

Akbar even admired the courage of women who did Sati, that's very disturbing.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1258930260948680706

 

[Suriya]

The stupidest thing about modern Indian citizens who bash on behalf of Modi is that they routinely criticise mughals for doing exactly what Brahmins have done and continue to do. Ultimately, this should come as no shock, since Brahmins and northern Indians in general came from Aryan invaders.

First of all Modi isn't even Brahmin, not even upper caste. He belongs to Shudra caste called Ghanchi/Teli

2. Brahmins hardly even enjoyed political power in India to subjugate people. There are very few Brahimin ruling dynasties in India's History.

3. Most of the Brahmins lived on alms or performing religious ritual at temples or at religious occasions. They were teachers and Ayurvedic healers.

4. They were basically the intellectual class of ancient India and enjoyed the same privilege of intellectual class in our current societies.

5. After the loss Hindu power to foreign origin Muslim conquests whatever state support was there before for Brahmins and Buddist monks, that was lost when temples and Buddhist monstrosities were destroyed and burned down.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Also, there are highly segregated caste based differences too

I don't buy racial revisionism by Indian upper castes. They are not much different to their lower castes. Any Aryan lineage is minimal.

Physical features tell a comparative story.

 

[Naofumi]

I don't buy racial revisionism by Indian upper castes. They are not much different to their lower castes. Any Aryan lineage is minimal.

Physical features tell a comparative story.

It's about YOUR regions (Punjab and Sindh) buddy.

First of all Modi isn't even Brahmin, not even upper caste. He belongs to Shudra caste called Ghanchi/Teli

Ghanchis are Savarna and upper caste and were upper class till 1999 change in classification under Vajpayee. And their wider community of Modh-Vaniya is one of the richest community which includes Ambani - richest Indian.

Gandhi was a Modh-Vaniya too.

Zero OBCs in Modi's cabinet.View attachment 632351

2. Brahmins hardly even enjoyed political power in India to subjugate people. There are very few Brahimin ruling dynasties in India's History.

Most of the land in Kerala was owned by Nambudiri Brahmins till Kerala land reforms.

3. Most of the Brahmins lived on alms or performing religious ritual at temples or at religious occasions. They were teachers and Ayurvedic healers.

Ashwamedha? Land grants to Brahmins?

4. They were basically the intellectual class of ancient India and enjoyed the same privilege of intellectual class in our current societies.

And they barred other castes from EVEN studying anything and made studying a crime for them, it was a brutal and forced monopoly. Even today, Bengali Kayastha (a high caste) are given Shudra status and barred from doing Brahmin rituals.

5. After the loss Hindu power to foreign origin Muslim conquests whatever state support was there before for Brahmins and Buddist monks, that was lost when temples and Buddhist monstrosities were destroyed and burned down.

But still Brahmins remained the strongest caste - Chitpavans served in Adil Shahis before the rise of Marathas.

Fun fact : Shivaji was considered a Shudra and Brahmins refused to coronate him, thus he created fake lineages from Sisodias and bribed 5 million Rupees (at that time) to Brahmins. So much for living off begging.

 

[xeuss]

First of all Modi isn't even Brahmin, not even upper caste. He belongs to Shudra caste called Ghanchi/Teli

2. Brahmins hardly even enjoyed political power in India to subjugate people. There are very few Brahimin ruling dynasties in India's History.

3. Most of the Brahmins lived on alms or performing religious ritual at temples or at religious occasions. They were teachers and Ayurvedic healers.

4. They were basically the intellectual class of ancient India and enjoyed the same privilege of intellectual class in our current societies.

5. After the loss Hindu power to foreign origin Muslim conquests whatever state support was there before for Brahmins and Buddist monks, that was lost when temples and Buddhist monstrosities were destroyed and burned down.

Saravan Brahmin trying his best to whitewash the crimes of his community

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

It's about YOUR regions (Punjab and Sindh) buddy.

Pakistanis of Sindh and Punjab are different racially from the Indian ones (Sikhs and landed Hindu Sindhi migrants.)

I don't buy this historical revisionism going on in India to prove something which is not factual.

Aryan footprint in India was always minimal, whereas for Pakistan and Afghanistan, it was significant, until more Iranic tribes arrived later.

Gujurati Brahmins

Gujurati Dalits

Look same to me.

Fun fact : Shivaji was considered a Shudra and Brahmins refused to coronate him, thus he created fake lineages from Sisodias and bribed 5 million Rupees (at that time) to Brahmins. So much for living off begging.

Very interesting.

Maratha arsonists who burned temples, suddenly reinvented as saviors of Hinduism. Lol.

 

[Naofumi]

1) I was talking about the data provided above.
2) Pakistani Punjabi Rajput

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

which conqueror would have minded?1?!??