Babri Mosque bench judge goes public with dissent note

[mughaljee]

Fellows,
What is the new date ?

 

[blooboy]

You sir certainly one of Indias finest. You certainnly do not want to upset your big brother. What does your Hindu brother does for you to reciprocate ?

When I am treated like a "brother" and we share/enjoy each other's functions and celebration, no question of reciprocation arises. Maybe as you Sir don't live in a multi-ethenic, multi-religious country, you have no idea of how ordinary Indians live.

 

[Bang Galore]

Fellows,
What is the new date ?

The Supreme Court will decide on the 28th whether there any grounds for postponement of the verdict. In case it decides that there are, then this case could take quite some time yet. In case it decides that there are no grounds for postponement (likely), the verdict might come out on the 29th or the 30th.

 

[Joe Shearer]

The slaughter of Muslims and Sikhs affect your concious ? You know in India cow slaughter is banned, why don't they unban that ? Beef will not be served in CWG , why is that ?

There is no ban on cow-slaughter in India as such. It is freely available in Kerala and in Bengal, also in Tamil Nadu and in Andhra Pradesh. I had beef steak-and-kidney pie last Friday at the Bengal Club.

Some states have banned it. For instance, Punjab, which has banned both cow-slaughter as well as pig-slaughter. Recently, Karnataka, under its BJP government.

Try to get accurate information in future.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

There is no ban on cow-slaughter in India as such. It is freely available in Kerala and in Bengal, also in Tamil Nadu and in Andhra Pradesh. I had beef steak-and-kidney pie last Friday at the Bengal Club.

Some states have banned it. For instance, Punjab, which has banned both cow-slaughter as well as pig-slaughter. Recently, Karnataka, under its BJP government.

Try to get accurate information in future.

gujarath too many more will be there if you search.but question is not how many even if it is one state it is not acceptable.but any way we are derailing the thread so seize fire.

 

[fallstuff]

There is no ban on cow-slaughter in India as such. It is freely available in Kerala and in Bengal, also in Tamil Nadu and in Andhra Pradesh. I had beef steak-and-kidney pie last Friday at the Bengal Club.

Some states have banned it. For instance, Punjab, which has banned both cow-slaughter as well as pig-slaughter. Recently, Karnataka, under its BJP government.

Try to get accurate information in future.

Organisation opposes serving beef during CWG



Orissa unit of Rastriya Gokalyan Parishad has urged President Pratibha Patil to halt the proposed move of the organising committee of the Commonwealth games in New Delhi to serve beef to the athletes during their stay in the country.



”In India we consider cow as the mother and this is known alll over the world. We also consider guests as God in our country. So it will not be wise to treat the guests with cow meat”, the Parishad members said in a memorandum to Patil submitted through Governor Chandrakant Bhandare recently in Bhubaneswar.



Parishad has suggested that to uphold the culture, tradition, unity and prestige of the country, the organisers should serve pure vegetarian food to the guests and athletes during the Games.
Organisation opposes serving beef during CWG

 

[Repentant]

Organisation opposes serving beef during CWG



Orissa unit of Rastriya Gokalyan Parishad has urged President Pratibha Patil to halt the proposed move of the organising committee of the Commonwealth games in New Delhi to serve beef to the athletes during their stay in the country.



”In India we consider cow as the mother and this is known alll over the world. We also consider guests as God in our country. So it will not be wise to treat the guests with cow meat”, the Parishad members said in a memorandum to Patil submitted through Governor Chandrakant Bhandare recently in Bhubaneswar.



Parishad has suggested that to uphold the culture, tradition, unity and prestige of the country, the organisers should serve pure vegetarian food to the guests and athletes during the Games.
Organisation opposes serving beef during CWG

We are a democracy and they have a right to state their view.

 

[VermillionTilak]

Organisation opposes serving beef during CWG



Orissa unit of Rastriya Gokalyan Parishad has urged President Pratibha Patil to halt the proposed move of the organising committee of the Commonwealth games in New Delhi to serve beef to the athletes during their stay in the country.



”In India we consider cow as the mother and this is known alll over the world. We also consider guests as God in our country. So it will not be wise to treat the guests with cow meat”, the Parishad members said in a memorandum to Patil submitted through Governor Chandrakant Bhandare recently in Bhubaneswar.



Parishad has suggested that to uphold the culture, tradition, unity and prestige of the country, the organisers should serve pure vegetarian food to the guests and athletes during the Games.
Organisation opposes serving beef during CWG

I must say fallstuff, you have successfully derailed this entire topic.
Let's put it this way. Not all of India has a ban on cow slaughter as my Indian friends have mentioned. India may be a "secular" nation, that doesn't mean it needs to only fit the needs of muslims. It's simply an old.. how shall I say it.... custom as Respect to Indigineous Customs Act of 1946.

Not all legally secular states are completely secular in practice.
For an example in France, many Christian holidays are official holidays. As well as banning the burqa.

And you complain about beef not being able to be slaughtered in India

The Indian government gives subsidy in airfare for Muslims going on Haj pilgrimage. In 2007, the government had to spend Rs. 47,454 per passenger

Your so called "Turkish Brothers" have banned the headscarves in public universities.


Stop derailing this topic even further. Let's keep to the story

 

[GreenStar]

still my point stands tat its our internal matter & no outsider plz

Mr Warrior006 what you are advocating does not make sense, because this is a Pakistani defence forum, so the Pakistani posters have a legit right in expressing there opinion on the issue at hand. It sounds to me that you are defending theses animals who saw fit to destroy a magnificent Mosque, not very democratic was it.

 

[Spring Onion]

THe only reason they should ban it is the cruel way they transport these animals. Also any country beyond iran do not need animal diet as we have enough varities of grains fruits and pulses easily available unlike US and western countries and gulf where they have a social need to have non veg to sustain food for all. It is all bad habits we got from religion and western powers.

that was classic. i wonder if you have ever seen how they feed some ducks and other birds for getting more meat and then turning into cheezy burger delight lolzz

 

[TicTacToe]

Hi everyone, I really wanted to post this for a long time now. I have put utmost thought into this and hence would appreciate it if anyone who chooses to read it, reads it carefully and with an open mind.

Here you go:

Many people(including Indians) have a long way to go before you completely understand the concept of secularism:

Secularism, as it is followed in many countries the world over is of three types:

1. European/American Secularism: In this type of secularism the state officially disapproves people bringing religion into the public domain. The state is effectively indifferent to religion.

Requirements: The population has to be so evolved as to have moved away from religion towards atheism or a highly evolved concept of peaceful co-existence.

2. Chinese Secularism: In this type of secularism, the state not only disapproves but also actively denounces and discourages the public from bringing religion into the public domain.

Requirements: Absolute power of the gun. Atheism or religion doesn't matter.

3. Indian Secularism: In this type of secularism, the state neither officially approves nor disapproves of any religion and every person is given feedom to even take religion into the public domain but a few requirements have to be met:

Requirements: The state effectively carries traits of the most widely followed religion (in this case Hinduism) but other religions are actively and positively allowed to co-exist in a tolerant and peaceful manner.

Let me elaborate:

In many official functions/innaugurations/occasions in the private and public sector in India, you must have observed that there is a Havan or Puja performed before beginning the task.

For example, we have Vishvakarma Puja in many of our factories and offices.

Now, having such poojas effectively implies the 'Hindu' nature of the functioning of the govt. but at the same time, the govt. gives public holidays as a mark of tolerance towards other religions.

There are holidays for Islamic festivals/events
There are holidays for Christian festivals/events
There are holidays for Sikh festivals/events etc.

In addition, the state provides facilities such as Haj subsidy to its largest minority to proceed on pilgrimage. No such facility is provided to Hindus (the most dominant religion of the land).

So the Indian state is secular in that it doesn't work to curtail religion rather it works to help religion to flourish and impact the society in a positive way.

That is how Indian secularism is different from any other type of secularism around the world.

So you see, although the state effectively retains the hindu nature of the society it commands yet the state gives (or strives to give) ample freedom to people of other faiths to live in peaceful co-existence.

Now, the term peaceful co-existence also has to be understood in its implied meaning.

Peaceful co-existence means that every person belonging to a particular religion/faith will let every other person belonging to every other religion/faith live in a cordial atmosphere.

This means that no person/entity will be allowed to work in a manner which hurts the sentiments of any of the people belinging to the different religions/faiths. It can be understood my a phrase called 'Affirmative Abstinence". What this means is that every person shall take care to ensure that his/her actions do not hurt anyone's sentiments.

A few stuff that some societies expect from others to follow,

1. Hindus widely regard cow as a holy animal and also as 'mother' so many Hindus do not like the sight of Cow being slaughtered in the neighbourhood or some person eating cow meat in front of them. That's why you do not find Cow meat in many established chains across India such as McDonalds.

2. Muslims widely regard pork as 'Haram' and hence you will again see many restaurants/food chains only serving 'Halal' food items on their menu.

So it is basically a case of 'Live and Let live' with a few 'no-go' areas or red lines which should not be crossed and every party must make a few compromises in order to not hurt the sentiments of the other party be it Hindus or Muslims.

As an example,

1. Salman Rushdie's book 'The satanic Verses' was banned because many muslims claimed to have been offended by it.

2. M.F. Hussain was widely criticised (although the state did not step in) for his depiction of Hindu gods/godessess in objectionable forms.

and many more such instances exist.

Contrast this behaviour of the state with the other 'Secular' systems such as American/European/Chinese and the distinct characteristic of Indian secularism becomes evident.

So it is evident that in the case of 'Indian Secularism', the state strives so that no party get hurt as far as religious sentiments are concerned.

The purpose of my writing this was to clear some misconceptions I've often come across in several posts on this forum.

Many people often trade explanations as to why India is or is not a secular society and I want to explain to everybody that Indian society/state is secular in its own particular way.

 

[toppys]

that was classic. i wonder if you have ever seen how they feed some ducks and other birds for getting more meat and then turning into cheezy burger delight lolzz

Yep it is very sad. They basically keep them in boxes so there is no movement and they put on lots of meat quickly. THen they inject hormones also. Imagine such a thing happening to us. Do u want to bleed to death?

 

[Joe Shearer]

Organisation opposes serving beef during CWG



Orissa unit of Rastriya Gokalyan Parishad has urged President Pratibha Patil to halt the proposed move of the organising committee of the Commonwealth games in New Delhi to serve beef to the athletes during their stay in the country.



”In India we consider cow as the mother and this is known alll over the world. We also consider guests as God in our country. So it will not be wise to treat the guests with cow meat”, the Parishad members said in a memorandum to Patil submitted through Governor Chandrakant Bhandare recently in Bhubaneswar.



Parishad has suggested that to uphold the culture, tradition, unity and prestige of the country, the organisers should serve pure vegetarian food to the guests and athletes during the Games.
Organisation opposes serving beef during CWG

The Orissa Gokalyan Parishad is hardly an effective body in the affairs of the country. The last time I checked, this was a free country, and anyone can say anything. Including the two Personal Law Boards, who fought the court decision in the Shah Bano case tooth and nail. You are aware, of course, that those are private bodies with no official recognition. Just like the idiots in the Gokalyan Parishad.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

@tictactoe
your observations are worth a discussion but not here..make a seperate thread.

 

[TicTacToe]

@tictactoe
your observations are worth a discussion but not here..make a seperate thread.

I already did buddy. Kindly take a look:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-defence/74295-india-secularism.html:wave: