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Assalamu'alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh to Muslim
& Good day to the rest

orginal offer was all NK to armenia for interpt period
now they get just half of it ..
but they are lucky had russia not jumped in all would have been lost within a few days
they had already vacated the capital
Armenia screwed it up i was saying for weeks they should negotiate..
any hope for reasonable self governance will be gone now ...plus azeri will be able to bring back huge populs into the region..with Armenians negative population growth for last 20 yrs i dont know why they want so much territory in surrounding district where millions were forced out, now which is practically empty ..it seems its simply fanaticism nothing else on armenian side
Next few days will be clearer. Also reports of pockets of soldiers refusing to surrender not sure how true...they might still be picked off by AZ or their own army to escort them away. They can tell their kids they had to be dragged off the battlefield makes for good heroics.

Pussyan is a goner. If they want to try again no doubt AZ will fortify NK. They can get drones and try again but by that time more defence systems from Turkey and likely Israel will be in place allover especially air defence and not the failed Russian type.

Iranians here talking shit and wasting everyone's time...here's a tissue for you girls. Don't stay mad.
if this is implemented, there is simply no way they can stage an attack from NK, it will be from proper armenia ..
from his interview with BBC either aliyev had zero stomach for war or he read his opponent very good(i.e he will not go for peace) ..as he says " if pussyan just write on paper he will leave 7 districts i will let them self govern NK"
 
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Alot people have repeated this to you. They sacrificed that 10% to save their own youths and loss of lives and settle for the remaining part.

I've been thinking about this. You see if I was the leader of AZE, I would have no problems scarificing hundreds of thousands of people to achieve whats in Azerbaijans interest. Most azeiris probably would not.

There are many great empires that expanded and achieved their goals without any regard to the people of that country. And such empires were usually led by pole that were not from that country.

Russia rose to great power status twice. under Catherine the great who was a german princess (I am more Russian than her) and second time under stalin who was georgian (I am more Russian than he was).

They did not care one little bit about how many russians were sacrificed, but it made russia great (again, MRGA). Gorbachev who was an actual russian, destroyed the russian empire. (thank god).

Similar with the ottomans. most ottoman sultans were only half turkish, grand viziers were almost never turkish and I'm sure they had no problem sacrificing anyone that needed to be sacrificed. least of all the turkish people to get the job done.

Hitler the Austrian ordered every german to die at the end to win the war, and almost made germany into a superpower. An actual German Kaiser ordered germany to surrender in WW1 without a serious battle lost during the whole war. The Kaiser was a german and simply did not want to sacrifice germans.

Britain was made great and powerful mainly by german and danish royalty who considered most english people total losers to be sacrificed for Britain's greatness.

There might be something to this theory. AZE might need a Pakistani or Indonesian leader to get this job finished.
 
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Assalamu'alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh to Muslim
& Good day to the rest

Another Armenian 9K33 Osa SAM system destroyed


What are these SAM systems doing. The SAMs should be shooting the drones but the opposite is happening.
 
President Aliyev's way of showing how to beat your mortal enemies....

Can you please translate the key parts brother?
Lol, they won’t be able to set foot in it. We’ve had this in Bosnia. And only reason we could set foot in the Serbian area was Because of 30,000 NATO troops and many years of democratic reforms.

AZE won’t get any of this. Republic of artshak lives, with its police, army and de facto I dependence. Same as before. Except with Russians protecting its defacto independence. I’m not criticising aliyev, but this is a fact

Thank you for the realistic assessment from someone that has lived through a similar conflict. Dog you think Azerbaijan will get a corridor to its western portion and under what terms? Do you think that corridor will be safe (considering Russian troops will be there) for Azerbaijan to carry out trade or is it just a temporary matter until a new armenia-Azeri war happens again?
 
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So, the war is over? Azerbaijan won which was rightfully theirs? Will Pakistan recognise Armenia now?
 
I've been thinking about this. You see if I was the leader of AZE, I would have no problems scarificing hundreds of thousands of people to achieve whats in Azerbaijans interest. Most azeiris probably would not.

There are many great empires that expanded and achieved their goals without any regard to the people of that country. And such empires were usually led by pole that were not from that country.

Russia rose to great power status twice. under Catherine the great who was a german princess (I am more Russian than her) and second time under stalin who was georgian (I am more Russian than he was).

They did not care one little bit about how many russians were sacrificed, but it made russia great (again, MRGA). Gorbachev who was an actual russian, destroyed the russian empire. (thank god).

Similar with the ottomans. most ottoman sultans were only half turkish, grand viziers were almost never turkish and I'm sure they had no problem sacrificing anyone that needed to be sacrificed. least of all the turkish people to get the job done.

Hitler the Austrian ordered every german to die at the end to win the war, and almost made germany into a superpower. An actual German Kaiser ordered germany to surrender in WW1 without a serious battle lost during the whole war. The Kaiser was a german and simply did not want to sacrifice germans.

Britain was made great and powerful mainly by german and danish royalty who considered most english people total losers to be sacrificed for Britain's greatness.

There might be something to this theory. AZE might need a Pakistani or Indonesian leader to get this job finished.
You Russian shall thank Stalin for saving the whole Russia. Without his brutal industrialisation. There would not be end endless 122mm guns and T-34 which decimate the Nazi who will definitely enslave the whole Russian race as they deemed them Inferior, once they conquer the moscow.

There cannot be a perfect solution but best solution.
 
the war is over?

May be soon we will get to know why Pakistanis were appreciated so much in this conflict..by Azerbaijan.

Honestly, we do not have political clout or strategic influence bar nuclear weapons...so that would be the day when will get the answer..

Or its Just Azerbaijani way to appreciate the moral support it got from Pakistan. Its too much cliché
 
Who cares

See, as far as I know, Pakistan is the only country which does not recognise Armenia because it is occupying land which rightfully belongs to Azerbaijan(our ally). Recently, they went to war over that land and now the news is here about Azerbaijan's victory, congratulations by others and even celebrations in Azerbaijan. Since, our ally 'won', can we now recognise Armenia? If answer to that is yes then yea Azerbaijan truly won. But if the answer to that is no or some awkward silence or some boring 'who cares' then it simply means Azerbaijan didn't win or atleast didn't win what they were hoping to win.
 
Can you please translate the key parts brother?


Thank you for the realistic assessment from someone that has lived through a similar conflict. Dog you think Azerbaijan will get a corridor to its western portion and under what terms? Do you think that corridor will be safe (considering Russian troops will be there) for Azerbaijan to carry out trade or is it just a temporary matter until a new armenia-Azeri war happens again?

Thank you. I think AZE will get a corridor through Armenia. it will be a Azeri built road through Armenian territory, not a problem for Armenia I think. I think it will be safe, perhaps similar to what west germans had in order to drive or get a train to west berlin. Drive, on the road, dont get off, cameras and guards every 100 metres. It's very possible and very easy to achieve. I dont think armenians will be stopping cars and shooting people by the side of the road. So that's not a problem at all. Just dont get off the road. but here will be barriers so you can't get of anyway.

This would be a good thing. Its one of the very few good things about this terrible agreement.

BTW, I havent lived through be bosnian conflict, but I saw how it was implemented, and how the serbian areas were reintegrated into the country and how they submitted to the central authority. That worked quite well in Bosnia. A few months after the war you could go to the serbian area and probably not be killed. The serbian police were more dangerous than the civilians.

After a year, you could be pretty safe. there were NATO troops everywhere and EU police everywhere watching the serbian police. if your car was identified to be from a muslim area, it might have a side mirror broken.

5 years later it was quite safe. maybe even very safe. you could return, your property (land, apartment) was returned if it was occupied by some serb squatter.

10 years later, police might give you a fine for having a muslim name or not being a serb. They pretend you are speeding when you are not. or they might not give you fine but just ask you lots of stupid questions. very subtle harassment. the citizens will not cause you any problems. you can just move to the serbian part and get all your documents no problem. no-one would even raise an eyebrow. the general population would be quite friendly to you.

20 years later, you could probably walk down the street with a bosnian flag singing bosnian patriotic songs and you would probably be safe. police might give you a fine for disturbing the public order. (interestingly, if you went to serbia and did this, no-one would bother you and might even join in singing with you).

So with Azerbaijan, this deal does not give even a hope that some Azeri can go back to Karabakh. there is a question if they will even be able to enter across the front lines. will they need a passport? this is not autonomy, this is a de facto independent country. Just smaller. right in the middle of azerbaijan.
 
Azerbaijan should give this part to Armenia permanently if Armenia give Azerbaijan some territory to connect both parts of Azerbaijan.
Or Azerbaijan should ask the peace keepers to leave after 5 years and take lachin corridor by force to get a similar deal.
 
Azerbaijan should give this part to Armenia permanently if Armenia give Azerbaijan some territory to connect both parts of Azerbaijan.
Or Azerbaijan should ask the peace keepers to leave after 5 years and take lachin corridor by force to get a similar deal.

Problem is Armenia holds about 3,800 sq km of azeiri land. (number disputed, we will see soon how much)

its not a fair swap for some corridor. There would have to be lots of tunnels involved, because Armenia does not wan too lose its connection to Iran.

But tis stil not a fair swap.
 
I know that some of you armchair generals are sorry that the war is over. You will not get see more videos of deaths. You still have video games unmarries slops. The point was political solution and not the endless war. Palestinians, Pakistan and India can learn from this and cut of elites from profiting on endless conflicts.
Azerbaijan won in war and shall win in peace. Economy and prosper will bring people together. War mongers from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan can only watch and weep. Learn how independent modern and secular country wages war and diplomatic efforts as dessert.
THE END.
Dude we are not war mongers but we would always support Azerbaijan in every way we can.
If the peace comes to that region maybe Pakistan will accept Armenia.
But we will have to wait few years to see what Armenian intentions are.
They are the losers who can try something foolish.
Problem is Armenia holds about 3,800 sq km of azeiri land. (number disputed, we will see soon how much)

its not a fair swap for some corridor. There would have to be lots of tunnels involved, because Armenia does not wan too lose its connection to Iran.

But tis stil not a fair swap.
The remaining part don't even gave a population of 50k.
That self proclaimed republic don't exist anymore.
So, the war is over? Azerbaijan won which was rightfully theirs? Will Pakistan recognise Armenia now?
Depend in how Armenia behave.
Sometimes, Peace is a time after war for the preparation of next war.
 
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