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Pakistani liberals flay military’s role at London meet

  • Prasun Sonwalkar, Hindustan Times, London
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  • Updated: Oct 29, 2016 22:39 IST
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Recounting the Pakistani military’s pervasive role in public life, speakers at a conference in Britain said the army was now involved in image and narrative management. (Reuters file)



The military’s influence in Pakistan’s public life came under fire at a conference here that brought together more than 60 left and liberal thinkers and political activists from the beleaguered country and elsewhere, with some calling for “controlled demolition” of the army’s role.

Organised by Saath Forum (South Asians Against Terrorism & for Human Rights) on Saturday, the conference on the Pakistan’s future issued a “London Declaration for Pakistani Pluralism” that highlighted several issues confronting the country.

Husain Haqqani, Pakistan’s former envoy to the US, told Hindustan Times: “If Pakistan wants to avoid big pressure from the rest of the world, it has to change from within. The current narrative of the establishment is untenable.”

Organisers said the conference had to be held away from Pakistan because of what they called “threats to the security of free thinkers in the country”. Participants included leading Pakistani individuals based in Europe, the US and Canada.

The event highlighted a range of issues, including the marginalisation of the Baloch and other minorities by “Punjabi majoritarianism”, crises of identity, a shift in the military’s “control of government to control of governance”, and the need for a dialogue for unity among various ethnic groups.

In a moving presentation, politician Shahjahan Baloch strongly opposed the $46-billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) that, he said, had adversely affected Balochistan and recalled the killing of dozens of lawyers and police cadets in the province in the recent past.

“It is wrong to say there is democracy in Balochistan. We don’t want the development brought by CPEC. I have lost so many friends. Who will want the fruits of such development that comes with so many killings? We only want the right to life,” he said.

Recounting the military’s pervasive role in public life, speakers said the army was now involved in image and narrative management, with major investment in films, radio and theatre to “capture the mind before it gets ideas”.

To strengthen democracy, the military needs to be put on the back foot, speakers said, adding that news media in Pakistan was not being allowed to convey ground realities to the people.

The declaration said: “It is sad and disconcerting that instead of dealing with these issues with the help of fresh ideas espoused by broad-minded Pakistanis, the Pakistani state tends to appease religious extremists, continue to propagate religious extremism and allow it free spread in society and persistently misinform the people of Pakistan about the realities of our country.”

It added: “The Pakistani state, regrettably, expresses a continued willingness to engage with religious extremists and terrorists, and sometimes even talks of formally inducting Jihadi terrorist groups into the state’s paramilitary structure but remains hostile to liberal, progressive and nationalist groupings within Pakistan.”

Political parties representing Baloch, Mohajir, Sindhi and Pashtun segments of Pakistan’s population, the declaration said, had been targeted by state repression and hostile propaganda aimed at delegitimising them even when they had won clear electoral mandates.

Participants included former lawmaker Afrasiyab Khattak, former Pakistan high commissioner to UK Wajid Shamsul Hasan, columnist Ayesha Siddiqa, Anis Haroon, rights activist Beena Sarwar, broadcaster Murtaza Solangi, scholar Mohammad Taqi, journalist Rashed Rehman, Taimur Rahman, Wasay Jalil and Senge Hasnan Sering
 
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List of raw agents (pakistani citizens ) is getting longer day by day first it was Altaf hussain than pretty much all MQM , now the ministry of interior and finance ministry is accused of collaborating with RAW

GEO TV anchors (najam sethi and hamid mir )were always known now Ayesha siddiqa an author (a military critique ) are added as well

Who is issuing the certificates between and what authority do they have ??

Pakistan's high commissioner to India, Abdul Basit, stated in an interview with Karan Thapar of India Today news channel, that Ayesha Siddiqa is his very good friend, and one of the most respected and knowledgeable military analysts in Pakistan.

Just wanted to know who wrote this blog, and what's his source and his credentials..
 
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90% of politicians get recycled in martial law our agencies ignored Agartala and later we suffered,we ignored aswj and later we suffered even Egypt has better laws on such elements

Pakistan is a two headed snake, both heads waiting for each other to attack while mice have a party. You cant ask Politician because they will blame on Military (and rightly so), cant ask Military because they will have no comment on it. One tries to undermine the other with no respect to the consequences for the country. Untill and unless there is some unity of command I dont see any better in the future.
 
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When our PM house itself is a security threat...as has been witnessed in Dawn security breach issue.. First lets see..will anyone be punished in tht case ? Nothing can be more serious than this... Lets wait and watch ..first who is punished on tht? And how will they be punished?
Agree
Smash the head of snake rather worrying about destroying it's eggs.
But in Pakistan no one is worried about snakes. Everyone is sleeping tight.
 
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Pakistan is a two headed snake, both heads waiting for each other to attack while mice have a party. You cant ask Politician because they will blame on Military (and rightly so), cant ask Military because they will have no comment on it. One tries to undermine the other with no respect to the consequences for the country. Untill and unless there is some unity of command I dont see any better in the future.
Some super slaves of mainly pmln(and other parties)say army is to blame and martial law supporters say politicians are to blame and in this fight enemy keeps harming us we are acting like idiots in this fight and ignoring our real enemy and its nefarious designs
Our police is still a corrupt and incompetent force which is not totally capable of handling this situation politicians blame army and free themselves of charge and army ignore a massive training program marey awam jo boley wo jamhoriyat ka dushman
 
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Whether the PM is traitor or not, is yet to be proven and such is nothing but an allegation till then. What if he has been played once again or if he is doing deliberately, only time will tell as things are unfolding rapidly in due time with proper process for greater cause and Sovereign Pakistan.

Haye iss saadgi par koi mar hi na jaye
 
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What is our brave Army going to do?

Why hasn't any action been taken against her, and Sartaj Aziz's son-in-law, if our agencies know what they're up to?

Please don't quote the "the ISI/Army needs the Civilian Govt's permission to deal with traitors" BS argument.
 
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Prosecute her for the acts mentioned above. simple. Army should do it without leaning on nawaz chor.
 
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The only reason why Pakistani establishment tolerates these snakes is that it is itself highly dependent on US of A and west. They still require a nod from these power centers to wrap up the political setup. The political power base is with PML N which has aligned with these snakes to create a response to resist such nod from these centers. Till now establishment has no answer to united efforts of such nefarious characters. They are slowly one by one targeting them but the process is too slow. I think establishment jumped its guns too quickly when it came to PML N which was naturally the right wing but have been pushed to left wing. They should have tidied everything else first before turning onto PML N. or if that was impossible should have gone with PTI last year and created a strong political ally to curb the anti state elements instead of creating a nexus between them and the ruling political elite.

As of now the powers trying to keep Pakistan are slowly being overwhelmed by suffocation from these quarters. PTI and other real opposition parties have been exhausted and spent. Establishment will find very few to support their line in future and will find itself quite alone in their fight.
 
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So what is army and ISI doing? Why are these snakes not eliminated?
 
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So what is army and ISI doing? Why are these snakes not eliminated?
They have been rendered toothless due to over reliance on image making, hostile internal media, Naukri bazi, nexus of such snakes with ruling elite and nil political support. They are finding themselves alone each passing day as part of the state. Judiciary and Bureaucracy have made their peace and has let Pakistan to be fed to the dogs.
 
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South asia is crawling with RAW agents,everything from politicians to media houses ,diplomats to writers are all under RAWS payroll in Pakistan.if true GOD help Pakistan,If not true and its only conspiracy theories then, even GOD cannt help Pakistan.Either way good luck :-)

So what is army and ISI doing? Why are these snakes not eliminated?
Who knows there might be some in Army and ISI who are on RAWS payroll ,otherwise there is no reason for them to take any action.
 
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