Avalanche traps about 150 Pakistani soldiers

[DARKY]

Don't Understand why was Indian Help offered as late and why wasn't it taken... Indians here were in a position to airdrop as many men, equipment and relief as Pakistan and US have till now at much better pace... the sheer egos of a few might have costed a dozen lives at least.

Forget China... they don't know how how things go in our part of siachen.

 

[Xeric]

Yea dude, but that's the Alpines. Th is the Himalayas. I mean it has to be at least 10x more dangerous.

^^ These are the Karakorams, not Himalayas.

 

[RazPaK]

^^ They are the Karakorams, not Himalayas.

True that. Honest mistake, as I am sleepy. But still dangerous. Weather is unpredictable, no?

Xeric, do you think there could have been foul play involved? Because the Indians have most of the actual glacier. Just curious.

 

[Jango]

So ,as i understand it, it was an ice avalanche rather than a snow avalanche??? As like a whole mountain of ice dropped not snow?

 

[Roybot]

True that. Honest mistake, as I am sleepy. But still dangerous. Weather is unpredictable, no?

Xeric, do you think there could have been foul play involved? Because the Indians have most of the actual glacier. Just curious.

Seriously? Whats next HAARP?

 

[RazPaK]

Seriously? Whats next HAARP

Just a simple plastic explosive or nitroglycerin could have the glacier racing down. Just looking at this objectively, nobody is blaming the bhartis.

 

[Roybot]

So ,as i understand it, it was an ice avalanche rather than a snow avalanche??? As like a whole mountain of ice dropped not snow?

It was a slab avalanche I think.

http://www.preppers.info/uploads/us_army_cc_in0494_mountaineering_techniques__advanced_.pdf

^^Info about types of avalanches and rescue operations.

 

[Always Neutral]

Seriously? Whats next HAARP

I would prefer to know could the Indian have warned the PA that the Glacier was behaving abnormally if they were having such equipment installed on their side. Maybe thats a wake up call to both army's to closely co-operate on such data?

It was a slab avalanche I think.

http://www.preppers.info/uploads/us_army_cc_in0494_mountaineering_techniques__advanced_.pdf

^^Info about types of avalanches and rescue operations.

The US manual says one of the causes is helicopter noise? Maybe a helicopter triggered it of.

 

[Jango]

Oh i remember this one, you would punch a hole in the cap of the syrup bottle, take a fired cartridge of rifle G-3, cut it's base off, push a small piece of rope/cotton/old cloth into it so that it is through and through, and then you would push that cartridge inside that hole you have made in the cap, and then you place/tighten the cap back on the bottle filled with kerosine, and voila! You have an intant Diya!

And people said our troops have low IQ!!

these fauji totkas are really a favorite among the troops, rather than gadgets.

 

[Icarus]

Ok, i will try to explain the situation:-

This is the pic released by ISPR, try to relate it with the one i have taken from GE:-

Image from GE (late 2011):-

Another view of the area:-

So as you guys can see that the BHQ was well located both to cover the enemy approach (the 'La' Balti word for Way/Route - from where the avalanche was initiated) and to avoid contact in case an avalanche occurred (atleast 1 KM away from it over a PLAIN area where avalanches cannot normally travel and that too shielded by a River!).

This was totally unexpected as avalanches normally happen over a mountain i.e. the snow that has been piling over it slips and moves, but in this case the entire bl00dy GLACIER has moved as shown in pic #2 (see the area above the point where i have pointed out the location of ice in late 2011 - this ice is not exactly ice rather a mountain of ice which have been formed over hundreds over years and which moves an inch over 10 years!). Damn it! Glaciers dont move in this part of the world! There is no Arctic Ocean touching the feet of the glacier and melting it!!

And then surprisingly there was no earthquake that could have shifted it either. It's like, one fine morning a mountain gets up and sits on you without any reason!

Glaciers are frozen rivers and like all rivers, they do move. Glaciers move at the pace of some millimetres per century. Guess it had been moving for quite some time before it broke loose.

 

[Xeric]

True that. Honest mistake, as I am sleepy. But still dangerous. Weather is unpredictable, no?

Xeric, do you think there could have been foul play involved? Because the Indians have most of the actual glacier. Just curious.

NO.......!!

 

[Always Neutral]

NO.......!!

Would your recommend till a solution can be found on siachin both sides should co-operate to monitor things like Glacier movement etc?

 

[Xeric]

For those who are having trouble with a moving glacier:-

How do glaciers move?

The sheer weight of a thick layer of ice and the fact that it deforms as a "plastic" material, combined with gravity's influence, causes glaciers to flow very slowly. Ice may flow down mountain valleys, fan across plains, or in some locations, spread out to the sea. Movement along the underside of a glacier is slower than movement at the top due to the friction created as it slides along the ground's surface.

Glaciers periodically retreat or advance, depending on the amount of snow accumulation or ablation that occurs. This retreat or advance refers only to the position of the terminus, or snout, of the glacier. Even as it retreats, the glacier still deforms and moves downslope, like a conveyor belt. For most glaciers, retreating and advancing are very slow occurrences, noticeable only over a long time. However, when glaciers retreat rapidly, movement may be visible over a few months or years. For instance, massive glacier retreat has been recorded in Glacier Bay, Alaska (see photos below). Other glaciers have been photographed at intervals showing dramatic recession.

Alternatively, glaciers may surge, racing forward several meters per day for weeks or even months. In 1986, the Hubbard Glacier in Alaska began to surge at the rate of 10 meters per day across the mouth of Russell Fjord. In only two months, the glacier had dammed water in the fjord and created a lake. This illustrates how quickly a surging glacier can change its surroundings.

 

[Last Hope]

 

[Xeric]

Would your recommend till a solution can be found on siachin both sides should co-operate to monitor things like Glacier movement etc?

This would harm nobody.