Attack on PAF Base Minhas

[karan.1970]

Do you really think that PA needs to justify its own people for ANY operation in NW. Further, were there any false flag operations before op rah e rast and nijaat.

The first rule of investigation: who is the beneficiary of such kind of loss.

NW is a different ball game. PA is officially on record, denying any NW operation. Now to tow the American line and undertake that operation, they need a viable justification. What better than an attack by Taliban on the Military assets that most Pakistanis hold dearer than their lives...

 

[BATMAN]

No operation in North Waziristan, says Core Commander ,8/16/2012 10:46:25 PM

Very good... draw them out in open lands instead of going into a trap.

It would be a mistake of Pak army's history to undertake any operation in NW without attack helis and proper armored vehicles.

Best timing for the operation would be after election of new PM at least after ouster of Zardari. Until than get your self some dam HELIS. Sell of blk-52, if you have to!

Call upon retired personals to take over police job during the time of operation.

 

[Executioner]

I will answer you on this one after Ramadan.

What does it mean. You already thought in your mind, so say it.

 

[lemurian]

Apologies if already posted. This is a comment by Brigadier (R) Naeem Salik in reply to NYT report on Minhas-
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/16/world/asia/pakistani-air-force-base-with-nuclear-ties-is-attacked.html?_r=2&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20120816



Dear Daryl,
Thanks for sharing the NYT report about a terrorist attack on a Pakistan Air force Base at Kamra. Let me clarify for the record that Kamra is basically a production and overhauling facility which build and overhauls Chinese origin aircraft as well as overhauls French Mirages 3 &5 which are still flown by the PAF. As mentioned in the report Kamra was attacked a few years ago as well but the details have been misreported. The previous attack was on a school bus carrying children of Air Force personnel on the main highway outside the base and the attackers came nowhere near the entrance to the base itself. That attack was somehow projected as an attack on a nuclear base by Professor Shaun Gregory without any factual basis but that image has somehow stuck. This time the attack was on the base itself and caused damage to one of the aircraft amongst many based there including Chinese version of MIG-21s and JF-17 a joint production of China and Pakistan. The fact is that the security and vigilance system at the air base was effective and all eight terrorists were killed by the security forces there. The second issue is the nature of the base and as I have pointed out earlier it is a technical base and a production facility and certainly not a nuclear base. How on earth would Declan Walsh or Shaun Gregory or for that mater the terrorists know about the presence of nuclear weapons there. Even the CIA does not know with certainty the storage sites of Pakistan's nuclear weapons and this kind of kite flying can only be described as unfortunate.
Best regards,
Brigadier (R) Naeem Salik

 

[Ganga]

Guys don't take Pakistan Defence Services so lightly, we don't like to boast about our achievements and strengths but we are more than capable of handling almost any country in the world.
help of Allah.

First protect your key military installations from repeated attacks and then think about handling other countries.More the number of attacks, more lightly will Pakistan's armed services be taken.

 

[airmarshal]

But at the same time it can be said with much surety that the terrorists were in the area outside the base for some months as their intelligence was also very precise...

Precise information can be provided easily for such a big base quite easily. Dont forget the occupiers sitting across the border are not our friends and have all high tech gear and technology to do spying on a particular target. This includes listening to people talking to each other from very far and intercepting electronic messages. I have not even mentioned high resolution satellite pictures that modern militaries can obtain! They are much higher resolution than commonly seen by public. So its easy to track and create a pattern of movement of troops, stationing, concentration and potential breaches in security.

Of course all this info was not passed on to the expendable terrorists. But they could have been told to attack from a certain area. This simply could not have been done without logistical support. This type of operation requires first of all brainwashing and indoctrinating and then using expendable human bodies to carry out brazen attacks that have more symbolic value than anything more. Not to mention the training involved to remain undeterred in counter attack and reach a precise point by using equipment assigned.

 

[Executioner]

Double post Deleted.

 

[manojb]

correction..
they can make advanced mechanical weapons...cant do monkeys about electronics...
and night vision goggles are all electronics and optical about which darra knows not..

On what nasis u assume that they use night vision goggle? Is area around kamra pitch dark? Was there powercut during attack? Someone can enlighten us? My logic theres enough light from nearby to opetate.

 

[S.M.R]

NW is a different ball game. PA is officially on record, denying any NW operation. Now to tow the American line and undertake that operation, they need a viable justification. What better than an attack by Taliban on the Military assets that most Pakistanis hold dearer than their lives...

Even swat and waziristan was considered Impossible before operations, but PA conducted the operation. These type of attacks will continue as long as we have open / unsecure border with afghanistan.

 

[Emmie]

NW is a different ball game. PA is officially on record, denying any NW operation. Now to tow the American line and undertake that operation, they need a viable justification. What better than an attack by Taliban on the Military assets that most Pakistanis hold dearer than their lives...

Conspiracy theorist Didn't know you were one

 

[Mani2020]

All your conjectures hold true for an assumption of this being a false flag operation by ISI to justify its impending NW operation to the local population..

Just like you are painting a scenario of a foreign ( with an added focus on India) hand using these conjectures, I can paint a false flag operation scenario with the same ones.. The IL 76 was not destroyed because they were told to not destroy any major equipment since this engagement was supposed to be just a smoke screen to fool the local population and ISI did not want any major loss to the PAF.

See, how easy it is to stitch together a bunch of conjectures and come up with a fairy tale of your choice

And the news agencies received the TTP representatives phone call from mars

 

[clmeta]

PDF being accessed from India. Does it make all Indians here ISI agents?
Tamils movies being downloaded in border areas? If India has to send its citizens, it will at least send North Indians who can speak Urdu not Tamils.
Paranoia at its best here.

Not to mention Tamil movies being downloaded in border areas of Pakistan!!!!!!!

I wonder how media will tomorrow present answer to this riddle!

I still remember the little girls interview, who survived in 'westridge' mosque!
She said scumbags were shouting while shooting 'in ki nasal ko khatam kardo'
Now this is extreme hate against the inhabitants of the land, you can't argue it with any twist.

 

[airmarshal]

On what nasis u assume that they use night vision goggle? Is area around kamra pitch dark? Was there powercut during attack? Someone can enlighten us? My logic theres enough light from nearby to opetate.

Duh! When they say it was night, it means the sun was not out yet.

And when the sun is not out yet, it is dark.

And when it is dark, it is night.

Since it was night, the area around Kamra was pitch dark.

I hope I have not confused you.

 

[SamantK]

While the responsibility has been claimed by the extremists group of Pakistan, the focus is still on India. There are many intelligent guys in the Army and your ISI which would know if there was an Indian hand in it but not once we hear them say that..

Congratulations to members here who have quite Intelligently put forward showing a very sharp insight that the Miscreants, somehow not being called Terrorist by your news agencies, could not have identified a Fighter from an AWAC and would not know the difference. Maybe those members are not aware of goggle.

Even a person with no military background like me can tell you the difference and the importance, and when we are talking about an organization which wants to attack a military base, it is hard to digest that they would not be able to differentiate and attack at random.

 

[itaskol]

and where they get night vision and training to use them as happened in mehran base?

the training to hit the target with expert gun use?

night vision is not really hightech products. easy to get. maybe they bought from ebay.
in china if you order one in online shop ( most are made in usa, russia, belarus, china). you can get it in one or two days.
average price is cheaper than an new Ipad.