Atheist War Hero, serving Soldier

[Moonlight]

though i must say that the word "practising" would be incorrect to denote someone who simply prays but does not actually practice the real ( socialist ) aspects of true islam.

So true. But still you're believing in existence of God. Of course our ibadah' ain't perfect. But that doesn't make you disbelieving in God.

 

[Hypatia]

So they never denounce the religion ? but not practicing. You are brought up like that or you later choose to be atheist ?

As I said they never bother about it , god was never relevant.

it would be nice if you can write a few words about your daily life.. how it is different from a practicing pakistani muslim.. also whether you need to hide your atheism/agnosticism or people just know and dont bother you.

I think there are plenty of atheists in pakistan not many openly for obvious reasons, I usually hang out within Liberal circles but yes It is suffocating in a country like Pakistan which is neck deep in religious fundamentalism. blasphemy Law is a dangling sword for any minority, or anyone who comes in mullah's way.

Have you ever wonder why you chose to be an atheist? I mean you find it hard to fulfill religious obligations and get away with it with being atheist? Some people do this. That's kind of disturbing to read for a Muslim person to be an atheist.

*chuckles, this was childish
Yes Agnosticism is my philosophical disposition, Stems from my love of reason and logic.

actually the problem is that our elite neo-liberals have made atheism some kind of a status symbol which they want to decorate on their chests and make huge noise while the poor ordinary atheists in Pakistan consider it something normal so you wont see them bitching

There is nothing fashionable about being an atheist in pakistan, In a country where a religious fundo guard can kill a Governor In Broad daylight, social status is irrelevant.

 

[livingdead]

frankly speaking there are many ordinary folks who are atheists in a manner that they do not bother about their own religion being born Muslims neither about faith of others. They do not pray they do not follow any religious order.

I came across a person who even had memorized many chapters of Quran while he was a small kid and he still remembers and can recite but he distant himself from religion and said he was in devil's club now and laughed and told me that "hey you would join our devil club one day" I shrugged off and avoided continuing the debate.

actually the problem is that our elite neo-liberals have made atheism some kind of a status symbol which they want to decorate on their chests and make huge noise while the poor ordinary atheists in Pakistan consider it something normal so you wont see them bitching

I once met a pakistani muslim here(of pakistani origin, spent most of his life here, so british pakistani), who drinks, smokes stuff(guess marijuana) and is generally dismissive towards observant muslims.. but he still considers himself muslim.. we got to make that distinction, he is not atheist(in his mind), he is just not willing to do what muslims are prescribed to do... and he has probably convinced himself that he will be judged favorably after death. He is still a muslim, I would say.

I specifically asked about ordinary people who lost faith. they have to live like any other people, liberals live in bubble, their lives are not representative of ordinary pakistanis.

 

[Moonlight]

*chuckles, this was childish
Yes Agnosticism is my philosophical disposition, Stems from my love of reason and logic.

I can give you many proofs to disproof your logic of disbelieving in existence of God. But forget about it, you're gonna find it childish. Childish. Have a great one.

 

[Hypatia]

"atheism" does not cancel out you being a muslim... islam is not the prayer-bound faith that most modern "practising" desi muslims understand it is.

''cultural muslim'' ?

 

[Imran Khan]

so what atheists can't be patriots sir ?

After reading your post i feel sad for your decision, r ur parents also atheist.

bhai jaan athesit khalai makhlooq nhi hoty we have plenty of them here bus ye alag baat hai ke pakistan main isko ajeeb samjha jata hai

 

[Maarkhoor]

I'm pretty surprised to see this happening in Pakistan. All I'm thinking is, where did we as a society and scholars failed that this generation is completely messed up. Not practicing still give so many chances to do Astgfar and come back to Allah. Also, it doesn't make you non Muslim though.

Nothing they are just pretending to be, u know its in fashion to be liberal and show u r self atheist.

 

[Imran Khan]

Nothing they are just pretending to be, u know its in fashion to be liberal and show u r self atheist.

or wo jo social media per ho raha hai sarkaar wo kya hai ?

 

[Maarkhoor]

so what atheists can't be patriots sir ?


bhai jaan athesit khalai makhlooq nhi hoty we have plenty of them here bus ye alag baat hai ke pakistan main isko ajeeb samjha jata hai

Yaar yeh koi makhlook wagaira nahien...Ajkal ka fashion hey...Ager app ameer aor padhey likhy laghna chaho to ban jao atheist aor daagh do koi dialogue ager koi aitraz karay tou.

Don't forget u r country name...

Islamic Republic of Pakistan...and we are Muslims, Same like Taliban they are also a plague, needed to be eradicated. Imran Bhai poori zindaghi PDF nahien hai marna bhi hey Allah ko jaan deni hey.

or wo jo social media per ho raha hai sarkaar wo kya hai ?

Wohi hey jo mien ney pehley likha hey...

 

[livingdead]

As I said they never bother about it , god was never relevant.


I think there are plenty of atheists in pakistan not many openly for obvious reasons, I usually hang out within Liberal circles but yes It is suffocating in a country like Pakistan which is neck deep in religious fundamentalism. blasphemy Law is a dangling sword for any minority, or anyone who comes in mullah's way.


*chuckles, this was childish
Yes Agnosticism is my philosophical disposition, Stems from my love of reason and logic.


There is nothing fashionable about being an atheist in pakistan, In a country where a religious fundo guard can kill a Governor In Broad daylight, social status is irrelevant.

I have heard about the general situation but wanted to hear a personal account.. without disclosing too much specifics that can trace you, of course.

 

[Imran Khan]

theist or atheist main aik khuda ka fark hai

theists 19 khudaoon ko nhi manty apny waly aik ko manty hain atheist 20 ke 20 nhi manta hahahaha

 

[Maarkhoor]

Mien jesa bhi Muslman houn lekin Kafir aor Murtad nahien houn...Allah Aik hey Aor Mohammed PBUH last nabi aor rasool hien...Quran e Majeed Allah ki Akhri kitab hey aor yehi mera ayman jey...

Loghoun ko sharm aani chahiye murtadoun ki wakalat kartay hoye...

 

[Imran Khan]

Yaar yeh koi makhlook wagaira nahien...Ajkal ka fashion hey...Ager app ameer aor padhey likhy laghna chaho to ban jao atheist aor daagh do koi dialogue ager koi aitraz karay tou.

Don't forget u r country name...

Islamic Republic of Pakistan...and we are Muslims, Same like Taliban they are also a plague, needed to be eradicated. Imran Bhai poori zindaghi PDF nahien hai marna bhi hey Allah ko jaan deni hey.


Wohi hey jo mien ney pehley likha hey...

janab ghareeb bhi hoty hain ap sab ko ameer nhi keh sakty dozen bher main jaanta hoon jo karachi ki sarkoo per dukandar hain phir ? problem ye hai ke zia or taliban firqa parst mullah ne or koi rah nhi chori hai liberals ke liye . ap ki baki baat sahi hai per ye mulk main dufiad rang atheists ke liye bhi hai janab

 

[Maarkhoor]

janab ghareeb bhi hoty hain ap sab ko ameer nhi keh sakty dozen bher main jaanta hoon jo karachi ki sarkoo per dukandar hain phir ? problem ye hai ke zia or taliban firqa parst mullah ne or koi rah nhi chori hai liberals ke liye . ap ki baki baat sahi hai per ye mulk main dufiad rang atheists ke liye bhi hai janab

Sufaid rang non-Muslim k liye hey janab. Aor na boliye k app b Musalman hien...PDF k ilawa bhi zindaghi hey...

 

[jamahir]

So true. But still you're believing in existence of God. Of course our ibadah' ain't perfect. But that doesn't make you disbelieving in God.

a indian member had asked me a similar question last year and this was my reply to him :

my concept about god is closest to the islami thought of the formless presence who begets not, nor was he born ( from a creature )... this presence is not affected by worship or human hope.

the nepal earthquake demolished the prayer houses of buddhists,hindus, muslims, christians... and some of these had stood for centuries and been visited by countless daily worshipers and pilgrims... all those idols and accepted shapes of the prayer houses and their special establishment rituals were of no help.

what was this earthquake that destroyed in seconds the human imaginings or hardened belief about "the divine"... the earthquake was nature... perhaps nature is god and god is nature... immovable, undefeatable, existent.

in early 2013, russia saw a passage in its skies of a meteor from space... it arrived without much warning and didn't even have to touch the ground to indirectly injure 7000+ people and damage 1000+ buildings... this world hangs delicate in the vastness of space and in space no understanding of human religion can make effect... i see space as the outer nature, the real nature.

what if a mad-man with the capabilities of elon musk were to go out into the "asteroid belt" ( between mars and jupiter ) and put rocket engines onto three 1-km wide asteroids, push them towards earth and smash them into riyadh, varanasi and vatican... would these three centers of extreme belief in religious mysticism survive the impacts??

the mad-man, believer in his own religion, can claim that he is doing the work of nature, of god - like how changaiz khan had said centuries ago... and this "mad man's" belief will stand supreme to the belief of every religious believer on this world.

idolatry is a attribute of most religions and it is false system... when prayer houses have idols and those idols cannot resist the strikes of man ( raider from another culture ) or nature ( earthquake, rain, flood, meteor ), where stands the belief system in such?? also, what is the point in bathing idols in milk and feeding them other foods when the idols neither live nor cannot they protect themselves... if so, those foods are being wasted on rock, metal and plaster when they could have sated the undeniable material needs of hungry people.

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''cultural muslim'' ?

umm, that is really a western phrase, more specifically invented by western government affiliated media agencies like bbc.

but since we as humans are comfortable with group identities, especially when they are available, i generally call myself as socialist muslim, socialist, communist.

and perhaps for you - progressive muslim, old-style muslim ( this i use too ).

and please do read the 'concept of god' section above.