Ataturk's Legacy vs Caliphate and implications for Pakistan

[Armstrong]

I agree 100% with you. I also wish we had/get a great leader like Ataturk.

We had one...he died in '48 ! Now instead of waiting for one for the next 66 years as well...let us ourselves take our country back from the Mullahs, the Feudals and all who'd keep us bogged down !

 

[hussain0216]

What were you raped as a child by a mullah or something, unity amongst muslims based on a islamic ideals should be a aspiration of all muslims

once again attaturk is burning in hell, why the hell would we follow a condemed haraami the guy even forbade muslims from reading the quraan and the azaan

 

[Armstrong]

All noble thoughts. Dare I say.

However Sultan was no Queen, not in intellect, nor in vision, nor in power.

But more importantly, the "would be" subjects of this Sultani-Queen were no match against the dynamic British society that was excelling in everything science, arts, literature, philosophy and you name it.

Muslims on the other hand were pithoos (blind followers) of Mullees just like today.

So your hopes and dreams are based on air-castles my friend. But you are not alone.

Indian Muslims from Bihar and UP, the dirt poorest of the poor among Indians always dreamt of some Khalifa Hazrat Falooda. Perhaps this was the only way for them low-lifers to have an out of body experience for 5 minutes away from bhook, nung, abject poverty.

the same Indian Muslim came to Karachi under Liaqat Ali's Quota system and started Islamo-fascism that goes on until today albiet under the name of Mohajir fascism. I have heard so many of my elders talk about Khilafah Lifafah that I had to do some research as to why they are stuck in a world that even Turks the real inheritors of Khilafa are not willing to live in. Why?

peace

Nahh wasn't advocating for a Caliph or anything like it ! I'm a firm believer in Iqbal's line of argument that in the modern day nation state the office of the Caliph has been devolved to the Parliament of that nation-state. I just think that of all of us, they - the Turks, were the best suited to get rid of the Mullahs, the Royals, the Aristocracy and reclaim Islam for ourselves ! The institutions were there, the bureaucracy was there, the army was there, the scholars were there and so was Great Leadership in Ataturk...yes they needed to be reformed for the better but the rest of us had nothing ! Too bad it didn't work out as well as it should have.

And the Mohajirs weren't Pro-Khilafat or anything like it ! You can't just pin it to anyone race like that ! That sentiment exist across races, if it does exist at all. Now a days most talk about the system of governance of Omer, Usman, Ali and Abu Bakar instead of the office of the Caliphate itself.

What were you raped as a child by a mullah or something, unity amongst muslims based on a islamic ideals should be a aspiration of all muslims

once again attaturk is burning in hell, why the hell would we follow a condemed haraami the guy even forbade muslims from reading the quraan and the azaan

Remove that insolent, despicable post or I'll report you to the MODs !

 

[Alienoz_TR]

I agree 100% with you. I also wish we had/get a great leader like Ataturk.

If you had a great leader, what would you want him to do for Pakistan?

Ataturk was never fully loved by Turkish public. Some sheikhs continued to dominate the lives and minds of people. Besides a few people around him, most folks did not understand him. Most of them came to his party to profit from the business. Corruption started.

He did interesting things like translating Quran into Turkish. Azan/Adhan used to voice in Turkish, not in Arabic. These and many other things inflamed secular-Islamist conflicts.

What were you raped as a child by a mullah or something, unity amongst muslims based on a islamic ideals should be a aspiration of all muslims

once again attaturk is burning in hell, why the hell would we follow a condemed haraami the guy even forbade muslims from reading the quraan and the azaan

You wrote before me. Your answer lies in my post.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

What were you raped as a child by a mullah or something, unity amongst muslims based on a islamic ideals should be a aspiration of all muslims

Yes, which is why I hate the perverted, ignorent, deviant, retrogressive, primitive, pedophile Mullah !!!

 

[hussain0216]

What dont you like, exactly

Did attaturk not forbid muslims from making the azaan

Based on that alone why shouldnt muslims hold him in contempt


And why wouldnt his actions warrant him burning in hell

 

[AtillaHun]

If you had a great leader, what would you want him to do for Pakistan?

Ataturk was never fully loved by Turkish public. Some sheikhs continued to dominate the lives and minds of people. Besides a few people around him, most folks did not understand him. Most of them came to his party to profit from the business. Corruption started.

He did interesting things like translating Quran into Turkish. Azan/Adhan used to voice in Turkish, not in Arabic. These and many other things inflamed secular-Islamist conflicts.



You wrote before me. Your answer lies in my post.

Lutfen sil bunu . Quran today is translated to so many languages so people can understand it better and dont have to learn arabic , increase their iman.

What dont you like, exactly

Did attaturk not forbid muslims from making the azaan

Based on that alone why shouldnt muslims hold him in contempt


And why wouldnt his actions warrant him burning in hell

Are you British?

 

[hussain0216]

And you are why the millions of muslims around the world hate the secular neo liberal scum whose purpose is to attack our faith and culture

Assad, mubarak, attaturk all the same liberal slime

 

[Alienoz_TR]

And you are why the millions of muslims around the world hate the secular neo liberal scum whose purpose is to attack our faith and culture

Assad, mubarak, attaturk all the same liberal slime

Why does Allah send those -who are not worth being a Muslim- to govern Muslim public?

 

[AtillaHun]

Someone Ban this imbecile or ill have to say very bad things .

 

[Armstrong]

And you are why the millions of muslims around the world hate the secular neo liberal scum whose purpose is to attack our faith and culture

Assad, mubarak, attaturk all the same liberal slime

What are you thoughts on Quaid-e-Azam ?

 

[AtillaHun]

How is such people tolerated and not banned ? What if someone said these about Jinnah he would be banned instantly.

 

[FaujHistorian]

....I just think that of all of us, they - the Turks, were the best suited to get rid of the Mullahs, the Royals, the Aristocracy and reclaim Islam for ourselves ! The institutions were there, the bureaucracy was there, the army was there, the scholars were there and so was Great Leadership in Ataturk....... !

That's where we disagree. Ottoman institutions of bureaucracy, the army, the scholars were all corrupt to the core eaten from inside thanks to the Mullahs.

There was no way anyone could have used them.

No wonder Ata Turk had to completely demolish those Khilafat institutions, burn them to the ground, and rebuild Turkey as secular society, and banned even the Arabic Alphabets let alone anything of higher order.


So my dear poster, broaden your horizon, challenge the lies fed to you in the name of Khilafah. Otherwise people will remain stuck in the wrong history.


peace

 

[hussain0216]

The quaid wad also liberal but you have to respect him, he understood our culture and the importance of our faith

And unlike sime neo liberal slime ball didnt force our faith, people or culture down

 

[AtillaHun]

read what jinnah said about Ataturk.