At least 27 killed as Iraqi forces raid Sunni protest camp

[Doritos11]

cool story bro!

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

Well, I would like to point out few thing ,again to make it clear a bit.

The so-called elections in the Westernized and Western country doesn't merely depend on the voting process. In fact, the more money the candidate spends on his election campaign the highly the chance will be to get elected. In Israel's case the hard-liners win by running their mouth loudly and making some promises to the mass. The Israeli left wing on the other hand is silenced ,therefore there's nothing much to be done.

Unfortunately, The aftermath of the Iranians revolution caused a lot of troubles in the region more than anything else. They pushed Sadam to war ,and they supplied weaponries to the Souther-Lebanon Amal militia back in the day ,causing more trouble.


The AL won't accept any peace process unless Israel withdraws to the 67 boarders ,by doing so it preserves the Israelis historic right ,and the Palestinians will get their on. This is what I mean by the historic right of their own.

Trust me, the Iranian regime is making the Israelis sleepless, they will do anything to undermine it.

I get it, but the Israeli regime was elected by their people which is the main obstacle to peace process and constantly make things up to avoid it. I understand what you are talking about, but what made you so sure that Israelis want peace? even after removing Iran and it's proxies threat? What is exactly the thing that's preventing them from establishing a Palestinian state on West bank which they are gabbing it's lands on daily bases? And you need to differentiate between accepting Israeli existence to end this bloody conflict and believing in their "historic right" in Palestine. What the hell was that? This is very weird to come from an Arab.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

I'm not against Jordan or Jordanians. My family visited there not long ago. I'm against this putz Blackeagle who earlier professed his admiration for a Jordanian that gunned down Israeli school girls, killing 7.

This is what I said you pathological lying liar:

It's a tough neighborhood because you people refuse peace and the two states solution.
What about the innocent people your army killed? and why are they being glorified? However, what he did had nothing to do with heroism. And guess what, those Parliaments don't represent the people in anyway as they get elected for tribal reasons. Would you ever think that those creatures were elected for their distinguished thoughts or political agenda? I really doubt that unless Jordanians are truly lunatics. I tell you as a Jordanian and close observer most of them don't represent the people:

I have no desire to prove Israeli crimes as I did many times, which is still going on as we speak through land grabbing, building illegal settlements, imprisonment of thousands of innocents for defending their own lands and people and blockading Gaza. People of Jordan do support releasing him and so do I. Israeli committed many crimes and never questioned the ones who committed them. Anyhow, he committed a crime and was jailed for 16 years, so I think that's enough.

I posted this to show your lies not to justify anything to you. And you know what, I have changed my mind, yes he is a hero and Zionist entity should be wiped out.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

The Israelis are very smart and all bro. But sometimes they try to conceal something for the sake of another. They know better than anyone in this earth that the Arabs get board very easily
I read some of the cables of Wikileaks and saw some of the things they mentioned about the Arabs, their perceptions of the Arabs dramatically changed after the war :/ thank God it ended fast.

BTW Eagle, I'm fully against the MB in Jordan. I like to see the Jordanian Parliament filled of Academics than fanatics. The MBs you guys have are very crazy.

I like Israelis discussions in general and sometimes admire their logical analysis. But when it comes to Palestine, it's like talking to them is the same as talking to donkeys, the dumbest donkeys. They turn from one lie to another if refuted, and every one is dumber than the previous.

It's like when your father asks you where you have been upon your return home in the middle of the night,
Father: "Where have you been?"
Son: "I have been studying with my friends"
Father: "But I called them and they said they didn't see you"
Son: "Okay,what about this one, I have been doing charity work"




You did not answer my post, especially the last question.

Yes I did^ how can I forget you my bestie

This is what I said you pathological lying liar:



I posted this to show your lies not to justify anything to you. And you know what, I have changed my mind, yes he is a hero and Zionist entity should be wiped out.

Sadly the Palestine entity is the only one that has been wiped off for now :/

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

The Israelis are very smart and all bro. But sometimes they try to conceal something for the sake of another. They know better than anyone in this earth that the Arabs get board very easily
I read some of the cables of Wikileaks and saw some of the things they mentioned about the Arabs, their perceptions of the Arabs dramatically changed after the war :/ thank God it ended fast.

BTW Eagle, I'm fully against the MB in Jordan. I like to see the Jordanian Parliament filled of Academics than fanatics. The MBs you guys have are very crazy.


Yes I did^ how can I forget you my bestie



Sadly the Palestine entity is the only one that has been wiped off for now :/

You should be bro,
I wouldn't exaggerate if I telll you that their threat is as dangerous as the Iranian one, that's because they live among us, and have sympathizers, the least educated.
They staged a military like march as a threat to the regime last Friday..

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

@BLACKEAGLE

BiBi won the elections on the ground of the Iranian ,and Hezbollah's threats in Israel. He gained a massive support on that. One day, people will abandon the hard-liners over all. I'm sure a decent agreement will be reached and they will withdraw to the 67 boarders. The Americans haven't pressed hard on them ,but things will be different after dealing with Iran. A lot of pressure will be implemented. They withdraw from Gaza leaving 100s of settlements behind

Back the the MB in your country, I know who they are and what they are doing man. More Academics in the parliament is the best thing to avoid them.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

@BLACKEAGLE

BiBi won the elections on the ground of the Iranian ,and Hezbollah's threats in Israel. He gained a massive support on that. One day, people will abandon the hard-liners over all. I'm sure a decent agreement will be reached and they will withdraw to the 68 boarders. The Americans haven't pressed hard on them ,but things will be different after dealing with Iran. A lot of pressure will be implemented. They withdraw from Gaza leaving 100s of settlements behind

Back the the MB in your country, I know who they are and what they are doing man. More Academics in the parliament is the best thing to avoid them.

I hope so, we are exhausted from this conflict and regional powers using it to spread their hegemony over us.
As for the bolded part:
Unfortunately that wouldn't happen, at least in the next three or even five elections. The first and foremost thing most Jordanians consider upon elections is tribalism, their votes go for their relatives without even caring about their thoughts or integrity. I was picked up from home to vote for one of my relatives 5 years ago, I couldn't say no, but fortunately I hadn't registered before for the elections so they spared me

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

@BLACKEAGLE



Back the the MB in your country, I know who they are and what they are doing man. More Academics in the parliament is the best thing to avoid them.

Sorry I missed your point, You need to define the word "Academics" first, most Jordanians above 22 Y O have Bachelor/master degrees, but not all are smart or at least logical. There are liberals, Socialists, Baathests, Islamists, Salafists, moderates, Nationalists...etc, and every ideological group have their own view. However, MB will never make it into the Parliament in terms of getting the majority of votes, people don't like them. If you ask me, I trust the king and would just let him lead the country and do what's right without pressure.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

All parties involved are reluctant for now ,due to the Iranain rule in the region. The Turks are in favor of the two state solution like anyone else. The Americans aren't stupid either. Any counrty has a limited amount of influence on the US. It's funny to hear that the Israelis control an X or Y country or whatever.

I will say that again; both Arabs and Israelis must understand and respect everyone's historic right and the best solution is the aforementioned in the discussion ..

I hope so, we are exhausted from this conflict and regional powers using it to spread their hegemony over us.
As for the bolded part:
Unfortunately that wouldn't happen, at least in the next three or even five elections. The first and foremost thing most Jordanians consider upon elections is tribalism, their votes go for their relatives without even caring about their thoughts or integrity. I was picked up from home to vote for one of my relatives 5 years ago, I couldn't say no, but fortunately I hadn't registered before for the elections so they spared me

I know what the tribes are doing. They are quite smart too by the way, as they choose to ally themselves with the King. However, it's incorrect I guess to say that half of them are uneducated :/ I was quite amazed by how many Ph. D fellows you got in the parliament these days.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

All parties involved are reluctant for now ,due to the Iranain rule in the region. The Turks are in favor of the two state solution like anyone else. The Americans aren't stupid either. Any counrty has a limited amount of influence on the US. It's funny to hear that the Israelis control an X or Y country or whatever.

I will say that again; both Arabs and Israelis must understand and respect everyone's historic right and the best solution is the aforementioned in the discussion ..

I hope we avoid this as it could be misinterpreted as Israeli "rightful" historical right in Palestine.

I know what the tribes are doing. They are quite smart too by the way, as they choose to ally themselves with the King. However, it's incorrect I guess to say that half of them are uneducated :/ I was quite amazed by how many Ph. D fellows you got in the parliament these days.

Their alliance with the king is a good thing, but I don't agree with the smart part.
having PHD doesn't mean you're smart in politics. I happen to find doctors and engineers the dumbest when ir comes to politics..

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

The partition of 1948 is what I'm referring to as a historic right. The 1967 is a pre-condition to set a start for the talk as far as I'm concerned. That's a two-state solution which is the best.

I hope we avoid this as it could be misinterpreted as Israeli "rightful" historical right in Palestine.


Their alliance with king is a good thing, but I don't agree with the smart part.
having phd doesn't mean your smart in politics. I happen to find doctors and engineers the dumbest when ir comes to politics..

Hmmm, okay :/ point taken. The least is Jordan is better off without the MB. They will drag Jordan into a deep water :/ which gives me a headache ._. ; the least thing that I want to see is a bunch of nutcase running Jordan.

 

[Falcon29]

The partition of 1948 is what I'm referring to as a historic right. The 1967 is a pre-condition to set a start for the talk as far as I'm concerned. That's a two-state solution which is the best.

Hmmm, okay :/ point taken. The least is Jordan is better off without the MB. They will drag Jordan into a deep water :/ which gives me a headache ._. ; the least thing that I want to see is a bunch of nutcase running Jordan.

Yzad, bro, I am also a little surprised by what you said. But I want to mention....67 borders is not a pre condition, the Israeli government will not allow us any pre conditions before negotiating and they already ruled out the possibility of a 67 border agreement.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

The partition of 1948 is what I'm referring to as a historic right. The 1967 is a pre-condition to set a start for the talk as far as I'm concerned. That's a two-state solution which is the best.

Hmmm, okay :/ point taken. The least is Jordan is better off without the MB. They will drag Jordan into a deep water :/ which gives me a headache ._. ; the least thing that I want to see is a bunch of nutcase running Jordan.

You should watch one of the Parliament sessions to understand what I mean. One of the female parliaments who made it into the Parliament through quota system called Syrian women wh@res on TV!!! The other one called Bashar a hero.. I felt the urge to smash their heads man.. Nevertheless, I agree that they are far better than MB although I think they wouldn't make it into the Parliament anyway.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/[/video]
Good night bros

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

You don't have to be surprised or anything. As I stated earlier, the Israeli Government is willing to do whatever it takes to flush Iran away. At the same time, there is a political price on the Americans end. Trust me, I pray for the Palestinatins everytime the name comes into the mind. At the sametime, a surviving Palestine is more important than a dead one. If you read the whole argument that I have made you will see what it embodied. The Israleis are here now, the situation differs from the day it wasn't created. I do realize what you mean by surprise but remember prior to the creation of Israel; we have had millions of Palestinians ,and the Israeli regime is expelling many on every day basis. I don't support the Israeli Government nor do I like their action. I was talking to an ordinary Israeli citizen who was willing to talk like a decent man, some others in this forum won't like to debate in a mature way than himself.

Yzad, bro, I am also a little surprised by what you said. But I want to mention....67 borders is not a pre condition, the Israeli government will not allow us any pre conditions before negotiating and they already ruled out the possibility of a 67 border agreement.

Two idiots don't represent the Jordanian people. That kind of drama exists everywhere. Take the US for example, we often here a few loud voices there whenever we want to buy some Aircrafts ,while the majority of others in the Congress and elsewhere are lobbying for us to get them.

You should watch one of the Parliament sessions to understand what I mean. One of the female parliaments who made it into the Parliament through quota system called Syrian women wh@res on TV!!! The other one called Bashar a hero.. I felt the urge to smash their heads man.. Nevertheless, I agree that they are far better than MB although I think they wouldn't make it into the Parliament anyway.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/[/video]
Good night bros

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

You don't have to be surprised or anything. As I stated earlier, the Israeli Government is willing to do whatever it takes to flush Iran away. At the same time, there is a political price on the Americans end. Trust me, I pray for the Palestinatins everytime the name comes into the mind. At the sametime, a surviving Palestine is more important than a dead one. If you read the whole argument that I have made you will see what it embodied. The Israleis are here now, the situation differs from the day it wasn't created. I do realize what you mean by surprise but remember prior to the creation of Israel; we have had millions of Palestinians ,and the Israeli regime is expelling many on every day basis. I don't support the Israeli Government nor do I like their action. I was talking to an ordinary Israeli citizen who was willing to talk like a decent man, some others in this forum won't like to debate in a mature way than himself.

I like you, you are direct and frank and most importantly brave, keep it up!
You have no idea how hard it used here to speak your mind , I am sure you would have either lost your sanity or left the forum, The propaganda against KSA here was unbelievable, I mean it. Things changed after months of striving in countering them. You are lucky that you have recently come here.