Assessment of the Chinese air threat to India in 2000

[GodlessBastard]

Whats it called?

Sudarshan

 

[Mike2011]

I think you are talking about a war of invasion.

prolonged wars by themselves do not lead to nuclear asset use.

So you are thinking that We will sit and watch your army march to new delhi? What is the use of nuke then?

 

[tanlixiang28776]

Sudarshan

Can't understand what she is saying.

Is it in active service, and if so please post a English source for convenience purposes

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So you are thinking that We will sit and watch your army march to new delhi? What is the use of nuke then?

Why would we march to New Delhi?

What would that accomplish?

 

[Mike2011]

Can't understand what she is saying.

Is it in active service, and if so please post a English source for convenience purposes

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Why would we march to New Delhi?

What would that accomplish?

So according to you invasion means just capturing couple of meter of border lands?

 

[tanlixiang28776]

So according to you invasion means just capturing couple of meter of border lands?

It was a border skirmish last time and it was a few hundred kilometers.

Invasion would be at least a few cities captured.

 

[GORKHALI]

Can't understand what she is saying.

Is it in active service, and if so please post a English source for convenience purposes

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Why would we march to New Delhi?

What would that accomplish?

First answer my question ,how did you come to know india got 1000 LGB only ????? provide me link

 

[GORKHALI]

LGB inventory in IAF

LGB types

• Paveway II LGB (1,000lb GP bomb) -> Mirage-2000, Jaguar
• Griffin 3 LGB (1,000lb GP bomb) -> Jaguar, MiG-27UPG, Su-30MKI (likely)
• Sudarshan LGB (450kg HSLD bomb or 1,000lb GP) -> Jaguar (first tested with)
• KAB-500Kr (500kg bomb) -> MiG-21 Bison, Su-30MKI
• Matra BGL (1,000kg bomb) -> Mirage-2000

 

[Joe Shearer]

How do you think the situation has changed in the intervening fifteen years? Joe if you're there the same question to you.

Good question. If you see my detailed response a little after your own post here, you will find that I have sought to address the issue raised by you by breaking it into parts. In the first part, what was PLA doctrine? I have sought to provide some salient points from the note that initiated the thread. Next part, to follow, how much of it fits today? Obviously then the question from the Indian point of view is what defensive measures, including diplomatic and political measures are called for; this includes an aggressive effort at building bridges with the PRC leadership and seeking a resolution of the border issues, for a start; other measures can follow if we succeed in this first part.

Peaceful frontiers and a strong military are the best guarantees of prosperity.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Chinese air threat is just a AIR no substance. We all know the quality of chinese products. They are in infact reverse engineered from mig.

Have you failed to notice the improvements brought in? and the greater stability and flyability of their reverse-engineered product? Reverse engineering is not easy, in case you have no knowledge of what is involved. The production processes are identical, for your information. It is in design and conceptualisation that there is a difference, and in knowledge of software or very small electronics systems which cannot be analysed easily; some metallurgies are also difficult to replicate, as also composite technology. The larger aggregates are made the same way. So differences mean that the 'reverse engineer' has mastered the mysterious bits.

Please think about this before rushing in and slamming people. Please also remember the alarmingly high productivity of the Chinese factories compared to ours.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Try not to troll please. I know you can do it. As for the report, the threat preception seems to be accurate. Reading the emerging reports it seems like the indian air force is rapidly filling the holes. My question is, can they really hold their own when assaulted from two fronts? And, can it be sustained in the event of a long struggle?

I believe not, although the IAF is moving heaven and earth to put in place at least a robust defensive system. There is a lot more involved, and perhaps it will be appropriate to discuss it after analysing, updating and classifying the threat assessment of that 16-year old report.

An imported arsenal is india's biggest liability in a prolonged conflict, that said there is not much chance they will face a two front war or a prolonged war.

There is always that horrible possibility. One must, after all, hope for the best, prepare for the worst. :-(

Yes it would be hard to wage war when you only have a 1000 LGBs stockpiled

The problem isn't the lmited bombs, it's the uncertain ability to buy more in a protracted war

More than a specific item of ammunition, it is about critical spares. After what happened to us post-Pokhran, it is difficult to trust any foreign supplier. It was China's good fortune that she suffered this import shock some decades before India did, and struck out for self-reliance precisely that much longer ago. Today, she reaps the benefits. Today, we need to learn from the lessons learnt by China, both the pleasant possibilities as well as the depressing realities (referring to India's conditions only).

 

[GORKHALI]

Israel to supply India with Griffin 3 bomb guidance kits

Think about this we got 1000s of dumb bombs waiting for conversion to deadlier avtaar

The Indian air force will procure Israel Aerospace Industries' Griffin 3 laser-guided bomb.

Produced by IAI's MBT division, the Griffin 3 is the most advanced version of a combat-proven guidance kit, which turns "dumb" bombs into highly accurate weapons with a claimed circular error of probability of less than 2m (6.5ft).

The conversion kit is compatible with the Mk82/83/84 general purpose bomb series, and comprises a front guidance section and a rear section with steering fins. The Griffin 3 provides a 12km (6.5nm) stand-off range against ground targets, while its flight trajectory and impact angle can be pre-programmed.

MBT claims the kit has a "much lower" price tag than comparable weapon systems.

 

[CardSharp]

I believe not, although the IAF is moving heaven and earth to put in place at least a robust defensive system. There is a lot more involved, and perhaps it will be appropriate to discuss it after analysing, updating and classifying the threat assessment of that 16-year old report.



There is always that horrible possibility. One must, after all, hope for the best, prepare for the worst. :-(





More than a specific item of ammunition, it is about critical spares. After what happened to us post-Pokhran, it is difficult to trust any foreign supplier. It was China's good fortune that she suffered this import shock some decades before India did, and struck out for self-reliance precisely that much longer ago. Today, she reaps the benefits. Today, we need to learn from the lessons learnt by China, both the pleasant possibilities as well as the depressing realities (referring to India's conditions only).

I'll come back to this thread in detail tomorrow but will just to say that if India want to attain self sufficency in a reasonable timescale, she will have to do as china did, meaning by hook or by crook.

 

[desiman]

A war between India and China is not possible in current economic conditions, the world has become too joint for such giants to take on each other. While China does possess a larger military it will not risk its growth in a war against a nuclear armed giant like India. Those who think that China and India will ever fight again are just living someone else's dreams specially those of our western neighbor.

 

[Joe Shearer]

1. What will the PLA do in case of hostilities?

The PLA’s current strategy hinges on ' Peoples War under Modern Conditions'.19 The strategy basically relates to active defense and consists of taking tactically offensive action within a basically defensive strategy. It hinges on the land strategy of forward presence and perimeter defense. The defending forces undertake offensive operations in order to wear down the enemy while the enemy is strategically on the offensive and attacking.

The PLA has moved since 1995, of course. Since then, the shock of the Iraq War determined its thinking on doctrinal issues, and as a result, the current doctrine, Local Wars under Conditions of Internationalisation, has evolved. This is a far-reaching change in doctrine, and while it recognises the huge additional accretion of military strength due to modern technical advances, it also sees the key element in war-fighting as being superior human quality.

However, it is not clear how far away the PLA has moved from its strategy of Active Defence, or Attacking in Self-Defence. This strategy means that whatever the situation, the PLA has a justification for its actions, as it is always by definition merely defending its just cause and its basic interests. Coupled with its continuing and increasing emphasis on misleading the enemy, the net effect is that the PLA may attack at any time, it will conceal its intentions very skilfully and systematically, and it will use information technology both to defeat the enemy by destroying that enemy's information technology skeleton, as well as to knit together the various elements of its fighting services to fight a cohesive and mutually supportive battle. In addition, it is likely to fight a limited war confined to a region, and is hightly unlikely to fight multiple wars.

 

[My-Analogous]

A war between India and China is not possible in current economic conditions, the world has become too joint for such giants to take on each other. While China does possess a larger military it will not risk its growth in a war against a nuclear armed giant like India. Those who think that China and India will ever fight again are just living someone else's dreams specially those of our western neighbor.

We always stated China that leave India for us so your statement is not true