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Certain types, specifically light weight, airborne, multiple-modal. On ground based and maritime radars, our designs are good. The area of weakness is one where only the Americans and Russians have solutions.

Our research in the area of ASEA radars in decent stage i guess.

Considering we got a patent registered for the transmitter-reciever module of our AWACS project in 2001.
 
ok i accept we do assemble foreign weapons . so what?

at least we have them and have people who are willing to sell them to us . not like some people.

and we do assemble them under license . not like some others.:)

do remember we gained independence at the same time . in fact you guys got it a day earlier . , now look at where we are .
with all our problems and security issues we are much better off than others . :)

Please DO NOT underestimate the Pakistanis. They were spoilt silly by unrestricted access to arms and ammunitions, aerial and nval systems, but when they started, they did well for themselves, in specific and limited areas, but they did well and are likely to continue to improve. Expect them to be hot on our trail.

Our research in the area of ASEA radars in decent stage i guess.

Considering we got a patent registered for the transmitter-reciever module of our AWACS project in 2001.

Spot on. But we were not in time. Perhaps we will make it battle worthy soon. It was a failure then.
 
They know well abt us but still they prefers to be an ignorant.

actually they don't . i doubt the average guy is informed about his neighbor . (its the same over here) .

put a Pakistani and an Indian in the same room and get them talking . come back in an hour you wont be able to say who is who . they are the same in many respects. its just we have developed a little faster, as we have better leaders..(better than theirs )

religion took the back seat and the economy was concentrated on . had they done the same , they would be much far ahead than they are now.
 
More than the non expected levels for the self sufficiency in weaponry, what has been more concerning has been the non utilization of the available /acquired "Transfers of Technologies" to the good use.

A monopolistic industry which functions just as like any other Governmental slow moving office has only started witnessing some radical changes after some harsh criticisms from all corners. Still the professionalism at the different levels of these organisations are not upto the level like in the countries which can be termed as counterparts.

The today's news of offset rules amendment again points that we are in need of foreign investments and brains.

Better late than NeVeR.
 
Please DO NOT underestimate the Pakistanis. They were spoilt silly by unrestricted access to arms and ammunitions, aerial and nval systems, but when they started, they did well for themselves, in specific and limited areas, but they did well and are likely to continue to improve. Expect them to be hot on our trail.
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actually they weren't spoilt silly as you say mate . they did get some western weapons during the 60s , but they were not cutting edge. and even when they got them (the F16 ) they never got them in large enough numbers(40 ) . its a fallacy which a lot of people believe .
tell me now who is willing to sell them the latest tech? NO ONE. thats the reality
 
actually they weren't spoilt silly as you say mate . they did get some western weapons during the 60s , but they were not cutting edge. and even when they got them (the F16 ) they never got them in large enough numbers(40 ) . its a fallacy which a lot of people believe .
tell me now who is willing to sell them the latest tech? NO ONE. thats the reality

More than access the Americans in the late 1980s believed Pakistani defence industry to be incapable in areas such such tanks and combat aircrafts etc because of low allocation of budget in R & D

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It's not just that the Indian defence sector can't build simple trainer airplanes or armoured vehicles. It even struggles to design usable rifles or make good boots. "Indian soldiers", says Commodore Uday Bhaskar of the National Maritime Foundation, "prefer to buy their uniforms from private tailors rather than wear free government issue".


TRAINER (Indian designed and developed and getting clearance next year)
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FIGHTER (Indian designed and developed, already given IOC, to join within coming year)
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BASIC TRAINER (in design phase, to fulfill remaining 100+ trainer needs apart from the imported Swiss PC-7)
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Uday Bhaskar seems to be exaggerating a little too much here. The ONLY problem is bureaucracy and corruption among politicians and nothing wrong with the talent behind these machines. If HAL, ADA and NAL are handed over unanimously to IAF, GRSL, CSL and MDL are handed over to Navy and HVA and DRDO are handed over to Army respectively, with serving officers of each role heading them rather than corruptible generals/captains/commodores, these same government agencies would be topping the global charts with cutting edge and on time production of weapons.

In 2005, DRDO spoke of making 70% of Indian defence equipment at home.

It has been 7 years and more than 50 projects have come either in their final phases or have been inducted.

Antony and the ministry offer lip service to private sector involvement . But they have done little to make defence production attractive to such firms. Their vision is one of private firms serving as subcontractors to State-owned firms. The Indian private sector is almost seen as the Enemy. Defence officials admit Hindustan Aeronautics prefers India import rather than get the Indian private sector involved. Such is their fear that India Inc will marginalise them.

100% true. The government is against privatization in the country as big powerhouses will succeed in record time and nullify the incompetent bureaucrats that run state-owned labs. This is the ego and image issue that the government has and for its own selfish gains, is killing so much potential.

In effect, India spends to maintain the military-industrial capacity of others who are too decrepit, like Russia, or too small, like Israel and France, to stand on their own feet. India's government defence firms serve as their cutouts. At the Prime Minister's Office, it is fully understood that the lack of an indigenous defence sector with real innovative capacity makes a mockery of India's great power ambitions.

Bitter truth, but I wouldn't call the world's second, fourth and fifth largest exporters of weapons as "decrypt" or "too small".

Defence ministry mandarins are not wrong in claiming that in 90% of the contracts, Indian private firms don't have the capacity. What is needed is a long-term policy of developing exactly that. This would require the military to produce stable, long-term plans regarding arms procurements. The present system, especially prevalent in the army, of piecemeal and ever-changing weapons orders inflates prices and keeps Indian businesses away.

This is true as well. The IAF and IA are worst customers even government run laboratories could find. They act like two-year olds, changing their requirement ever 3-4 years and expecting an Enterprise to be the value of a cycle. This lack of maturity, understanding and planning is what makes both of them look like idiots when compared to their contemporary counterparts in other countries.

It would require the ministry to allow Indian private firms to be junior partners in ventures with overseas firms. "Foreign collaboration is needed for design knowhow," says Vice-Admiral Premvir Das of the Aspen Institute of India. Indian private defence companies are the first to say this is the best means to absorb military tech and grasp the crown jewels of defence knowhow - complex processes like systems integration.

Until it is an absolute majority government where the ruling party is both dedicated and has a perfect sway over the Parliament, nothing would be possible by these fragmented, weak and mob-rule based "coalition governments", other than further looting of our country.

There is no doubt that India's private manufacturers can produce the sort of engineering components even high-end fighters require. They have shown this in the automobile sector, notes Kak, where they produce components that match Japanese and German precision.

There's no shortage of potential or talent; it is only political ill-will towards the nation that is the source of all troubles. If the current political class is exterminated in a miraculous flash flood or tsunami to get replaced with new era of leaders, then this would drastically change.
 
On India's perennial dependence on imports, here's how blogger Vijainder Thakur sees India's loose meaning of "indigenous" Smerch and other imports:

"The Russians will come here set up the plant for us and supply the critical manufacturing machinery. Indian labor and technical management will run the plant which will simply assemble the system. Critical components and the solid propellant rocket motor fuel will still come from Perm Powder Mill. However, bureaucrats in New Delhi and the nation as a whole will be happy. The Smerch system will be proudly paraded on Rajpath every republic day as an indigenous weapon system.

A decade or so down the line, Smerch will get outdated and India will negotiate a new deal with Russia for the license production of a new multiple rocket system for the Indian Army.

China will by then have developed its own follow up system besides having used the solid propellant motors to develop other weapon systems and assist its space research program."

India does export some armaments but its modest record of producing and exporting weapon systems is evident from the fact that India’s defense annual exports averaged only US$ 88 million between 2006-07 and 2008-09. By contrast, Pakistan exported $300 million worth of military hardware and munitions last year.

Haq's Musings: India's "Indigenous" Copies of Foreign Nukes, Missiles
 
i agree with comodor uday bhashkar, MoD become ministry of import, n
not because indian can't make world class but because of heavy kick back.

many tanks inferior to arjun are accepted by world, many fighter inferior to lca being inducted by many air forces. but when it comes to kongress led india they reject it.

why? coz mother india need money.
 
By contrast, Pakistan exported $300 million worth of military hardware and munitions last year.

Wonder where those figures came from?

SIPRI makes no mention of such export. from the years 2006 - 2011

The only export Pakistan made is to Iraq of a value of $ 4 million.


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And for India it comes to a total of $100 million

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http://armstrade.sipri.org/armstrade/html/export_values.php

Infact the total arms exports by Pakistan from 1950-2011 happens to be $238 million.
 
You don't know?

We can design and make our own light fighters, tanks and surface ships. We are good at making missiles, at tactical and theatre levels. We will soon also be able to make nuclear submarines. Our space technology, insofar as military applications are concerned, is adequate, but we have always considered space work to be scientific and civilian in essence.

We remain weak in a number of areas - engines, radar, guns, precision guided missiles - and are working hard to bridge these gaps.

Why are you importing so much then??
 
Wonder where those figures came from?

SIPRI makes no mention of such export. from the years 2006 - 2011

The only export Pakistan made is to Iraq of a value of $ 4 million.


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And for India it comes to a total of $100 million

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http://armstrade.sipri.org/armstrade/html/export_values.php

Infact the total arms exports by Pakistan from 1950-2011 happens to be $238 million.

BURRRRN..

I think 300 millions is a large amount.. If they were making such large purchases, then they would not have gone for Chinese systems at soft loans..

Perhaps he mistook the total amount till date for annual sales.

Why are you importing so much then??

to give the quantum leap which will take decades if we stick to indigenous products.. we will be catapulted to some of the best technologies in the world..

How many countries can make C-17??
Not many , so it makes sense to import it..

and just think , 10 of these planes, with 4000 km range, dropping paratroopers in Balochistan via Afghanistan..

Wouldnt that be a night mare scenario?
 
Originally Posted by Joe Shearer
You don't know?

We can design and make our own light fighters, tanks and surface ships. We are good at making missiles, at tactical and theatre levels. We will soon also be able to make nuclear submarines. Our space technology, insofar as military applications are concerned, is adequate, but we have always considered space work to be scientific and civilian in essence.

We remain weak in a number of areas - engines, radar, guns, precision guided missiles - and are working hard to bridge these gaps.
Why are you importing so much then??


So, what you basically say is that India mastered all those critical and strategic equipment/weapons systems/technologies which are restricted technologies and are not available on the international market. There was no need to invest too much resources into developing those items which were available to us Viz. engines, radar, guns etc. and only now we have started to indeginise these items.
 

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