Assassination Attempt on Imran Khan: One Killed, Multiple Injuried Including Imran Khan - 11/22

[TheSolution]

Denial want change anything..
Didn't change the out come of 1971

What am I denying?

I said PTM uses self-victimisation as a selling point which is true. Pashtuns are not denied of any rights, they are present in cities all over Pakistan mainly for economic migration and no one says anything to them.

And if you're going to bring up specific areas we all know about the safe haven given to terrorists which can't be blamed on anyone else.

 

[Big_bud]

But I want to know what Pakistani would agree to do this?


The army should self audit and remove itself of any corrupt elements just like it did after finding traitors during TTP war.

I don't understand the logic, a more prosperous country under IK for lets say 10 years would mean a bigger defense budget. Its win win. Short term thinking

You should have self audited your post. But you failed to do so. You see, audit is always best done by others.

 

[ziaulislam]

What am I denying?

I said PTM uses self-victimisation as a selling point which is true. Pashtuns are not denied of any rights, they are present in cities all over Pakistan mainly for economic migration and no one says anything to them.

And if you're going to bring up specific areas we all know about the safe haven given to terrorists which can't be blamed on anyone else.

Denying that FATA was bombed to oblivion via drones , their blood sold for dollars..that pushtoons and balochs were picked up for no reasons..extra judiciary killed and then their wounds salted by denying them justice because courts/judges were terrorized or bribed..e.g roa Anwar roaming free on core commander orders..

That's what you are denying..
Pakistanis were sold for CSF funds and droned for fun

 

[TheSolution]

Then allowed drones to run for sake of Dollars
But still expect people to be loyal??

Mean time runs mafias in big city and support them like mafias run by roa Anwar etc..

I criticise the army all the time and I want the institution completely reformed but what do you expect when you're housing international terrorists from all over?

It's suicide for the Pakistani state to try and protect them and quite frankly retarded, they were told several times to give up the terrorists but chose not to.

Did you want the whole of Pakistan to suffer for FATA hosting foreign terrorists from around the globe and then refusing to hand them over on numerous occasions?

It would cost more money but nothing that America hasn't spent in other countries.

Denying that FATA was bombed to oblivion via drones , their blood sold for dollars..that pushtoons and balochs were picked up for no reasons..extra judiciary killed and then their wounds salted by denying them justice because courts/judges were terrorized or bribed..e.g roa Anwar roaming free on core commander orders..

That's what you are denying..

Why are you telling us half-stories?

Can you please include the part where foreign terrorists from around the globe were willfully being provided safe havens, and even after numerous requests from the state to hand them over to prevent any US aggression, they still declined.

Did you want to put the whole of Pakistan under unstoppable seige by the US? Essentially make it an international pariah state that would eventually still have its civilian government replaced + unquantifiable destruction

You would've been a Yemen and your government and armed forces humiliated over making retarded choices.

And then you'd probably also be the first to criticise them for it

 

[ziaulislam]

I criticise the army all the time and I want the institution completely reformed but what do you expect when you're housing international terrorists from all over?

It's suicide for the Pakistani state to try and protect them and quite frankly retarded, they were told several times to give up the terrorists but chose not to.

Did you want the whole of Pakistan to suffer for FATA hosting foreign terrorists from around the globe and then refusing to hand them over on numerous occasions?

It would cost more money but nothing that America hasn't spent in other countries.

I was expecting that
1- army wouldnt bring terrorists in first place..okay mistakes happens so forgiven.

2- drones from America wouldn't be allowed ..how can we fathom that country will allow extra judiciary killing of its own men and women???
Okay dollars are nice so forgiven (by people in Punjab and Sindh who didn't got drones) everyone for himself I guess.

3- that they won't support men who did extra judiciary killing for their personal gains like roa Anwar etc.
Okay loyality to don is important is important so forgiven roa Anwar can roam free.


4- so let's not **** up the whole country just because people aren't letting you do some money laundering
I guess u think that's forgivable as well. For me it is since I don't care. My pay check doesn't come from Pakistan




free I guess

 

[TheSolution]

I was expecting that
1- army wouldnt bring terrorists in first place..okay mistakes happens so forgiven.

2- drones from America wouldn't be allowed ..how can we fathom that country will allow extra judiciary killing of its own men and women???
Okay dollars are nice so forgiven (by people in Punjab and Sindh who didn't got drones) everyone for himself I guess.

3- that they won't support men who did extra judiciary killing for their personal gains like roa Anwar etc.
Okay loyality to don is important is important so forgiven roa Anwar can roam free.


4- so let's not **** up the whole country just because people aren't letting you do some money laundering
I guess u think that's forgivable as well. For me it is since I don't care. My pay check doesn't come from Pakistan




free I guess

How does that answer any of my questions?

You're talking about the consequences they faced after being warned numerous times for very good reason!

Every time in this conversation it's always conveniently left out that international terrorists from different organisations were being kept in FATA. And the people were requested to remove them otherwise the US promised to use force.

Even if the Pakistan Army sided with FATA, America would've barged in and pulled an Iraq, and there'd be nothing lumber 1 could do, but this time the entire country would suffer due to the actions of FATA. And the government still would be replaced.

 

[Enigma SIG]

Showbaz has ample political experience, administrative experience, and in good books of two key allies of Pakistan.

My dog has better political and administrative experience.

 

[TheSolution]

My dog has better political and administrative experience.

Shahbaz is actually quite a good administrator from what I hear but the bastard is corrupt to the core and involved in the pornography production shenanigans as well as extrajudicial murders.

 

[Enigma SIG]

Shahbaz is actually quite a good administrator from what I hear but the bastard is corrupt to the core and involved in the pornography production shenanigans as well as extrajudicial murders.

Anybody will do anything when you have a gun pointed to your forehead. If I run the country like a mafia am I a good administrator? Threatening abduction for government officer wives if they don't divorce them lol. Sure I rule by fear but then what?

Just look at the mess of Main Boulevard Lahore. Signal free u turn? More like the the guy was getting analled while designing that shoddy piece of infrastructure.

Then again, the only point of reference for poor awam for good adminstrators is "wo dekho road banai hai us ne". Spare us OS Pakistani's that bullshit. We've seen better and Shebaz doesn't hold a candle to even a janitor who has worked in a good system.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Shahbaz is a good administrator, only killed 900 people through Abid boxer, and Rana Sanaullah is a good interior minister as well looking at the 18 people murdered by him and about 12-14 men/women killed by him and Shahbaz at the Model Town massacre to stop the long march by Tahir ul Qadri..

The video starts at this point.

 

[TheSolution]

Anybody will do anything when you have a gun pointed to your forehead. If I run the country like a mafia am I a good administrator? Threatening abduction for government officer wives if they don't divorce them lol. Sure I rule by fear but then what?

Just look at the mess of Main Boulevard Lahore. Signal free u turn? More like the the guy was getting analled while designing that shoddy piece of infrastructure.

Then again, the only point of reference for poor awam for good adminstrators is "wo dekho road banai hai us ne". Spare us OS Pakistani's that bullshit. We've seen better and Shebaz doesn't hold a candle to even a janitor who has worked in a good system.

Bro I'm agreeing with you, my point was that he does have the skills but instead he uses it to engage in self-serving corruptness.

 

[Enigma SIG]

Bro I'm agreeing with you, my point was that he does have the skills but instead he uses it to engage in self-serving corruptness.

The only skills he has is he can buy people to do his bidding.
Once he doesn't have access to funds to buy people's loyalties, he won't be able to clean his own piss and will drown in it.

 

[Acetic Acid]

 

[LeGenD]

Let me summarize in points what you stated in your post and my response

1. Khan's govt composed of some shoddy characters,

so the solution for that was to get rid of Khan and bring in a govt full of shoddy characters whos first point of order was to change the NAB laws and to pass along the "get out of jail" card to their fellow conspirators.

2. Showbaz has ample political & administrative experience,

yes we can his political & administrative wisdom and experience by the historic inflation and hurling Pakistan on the verge of bankruptcy.

3. His backers know that he can deliver results and help rebuild vote bank of PML(N) if given sufficient time to work as PM

Ofcourse he can provide the desired results if he is given sufficient time, only if those desired results are the total annihilation of Pakistan.

4. khan undermined judiciary in two separate cases. One of these cases is highlighted in following link:

But no one else has the honours of attacking the supreme court except PMLN, nor does anyone else have the honours to call up a sitting judge and dictate the punishments they want the Judge to hand out except PMLN.

5. Khan's clarification for Buzdar the Unpopular? YAWN.

You won't find many fans of Buzdar here, however i can't recall any acts of oppression on the then opposition by him
i can't recall his govt dishing out fake cases against any journalist that had opposing views
I can't recall his govt using police to invade the homes of people belonging to other parties in the middle of the day let alone in the middle of the night.

So in conclusion, even after 6 months you think that these people that have been imported into the govt are faithful to Pakistan and are only in power for their love for their poor fellow countrymen. Then i am sorry but you need to go back on your meds.

You misunderstood my post and your spin-mastery is duly noted. The unfortunate tradition of cult following continues to do more harm than good on the ground.

Every individual and institution should be open to criticism for mistakes and miscalculations. This is how people can create environment of fairness and accountability and make all reflect back on their mistakes and miscalculations. But people are into cult following and unable to understand why things are the way they are in our country.

Not once I have justified, advocated for and defended PDM and the sort in my posting record. But I am not devoid of common sense.

As I said before: "akalmand kay liye ishara hi kaafi hai."

My dog has better political and administrative experience.

Do not be silly. I am no fan of his but he can get things done. Many people will tell you as much in general talks.

 

[PakCan]

You misunderstood my post and your spin-mastery is duly noted. The unfortunate tradition of cult following continues to do more harm than good on the ground.

Every individual and institution should be open to criticism for mistakes and miscalculations. This is how people can create environment of fairness and accountability and make all reflect back on their mistakes and miscalculations. But people are into cult following and unable to understand why things are the way they are in our country.

Not once I have justified, advocated for and defended PDM and the sort in my posting record. But I am not devoid of common sense.

As I said before: "akalmand kay liye ishara hi kaafi hai."


Do not be silly. I am no fan of his but he can get things done. Many people will tell you as much in general talks.

His style is not suited for a country. What he did was primarily for Lahore, one can argue he would be a great mayor. His way of doing things is temporary and hurts society in a long run. Pakistan need’s reform that run without these leaders.