Asian Batik triditional craft

[Indos]

Because other countries yet to submit their own art and crafts as world heritage. If Indonesia doesn't like other people using the term "batik", they should protest to UNESCO and English countries since it is a catch all phrase.

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https://www.africanfabric.co.uk/fabrics-textiles/african-fabrics/hand-dyed-african-batiks
https://www.etsy.com/market/african_batik_fabric
https://squline.com/en/batik-in-china/
https://www.market.unicefusa.org/batik/thailand/

1st page search easy. Did you even try?

Malaysia did it and Failed. I mean Chinese Batik and African Batik in UNESCO heritage, you should have understood it if you see the context.

 

[antonius123]

I think it is just missunderstanding here. UNESCO website explain everything you need to know, therefore there is nothing to worry:

Indonesian batik was added to UNESCO’s Intangible Cultural Heritage of Humanity list in 2009, and has been internationally recognized as an historical fabric of human civilization. It is thought to be over 1000 years old, with historical evidence pointing to its use in parts of Africa, Asia, and the Middle East. Although the actual origins of batik are unknown, it is believed to have been transported to Asia by way of the Indian subcontinent. “Batik” is derived from an Indonesian-malay word, which is now often used as a generic term referring to the process of dyeing fabric.
https://en.unesco.org/silkroad/content/cultural-selection-batik-world-exhibition-unesco

First, the status that UNESCO give about batik to Indonesia is the "heritage status", not the "origin".
The reason why Unesco give Indonesian batik a heritage of humanity status, could be because of popularity, not because the origin.

Second, UNESCO admit that the origin of Batik is unknown, and mention other older civilization (Egypt, China, India, Africa) to have used this technique (Batik) before that.

Third, Batik although it is Indonesian/Malay word, now it become generic word.

So I think there is nothing wrong for Xinhua to say: Batik is a traditional craft common among ethnic groups in China, as it is historical and factual; not wrong because they don't claim it originated from China; and we Indonesian doesn't need to worry as the Xinhua's claim/statement doesn't dent the "cultural heritage of humanity" status that UNESCO has given to Indonesian Batik in 2019.

Origin (unknown), tradition (Egypt, China, India, Indonesia), and cultural heritage to humanity status (Indonesian Batik) are 3 different things that not necessarily contradict among them.

 

[powastick]

Malaysia did it and Failed. I mean Chinese Batik and African Batik in UNESCO heritage, you should have understood it if you see the context.

So, did you win Silat? Indonesian just wants to make this political against China but don't dare to confront the west about this. I should remind you batik in India and China predates Indonesia's batik, should their government apply, they could actually win recognition.

 

[antonius123]

As I said there is no Chinese Batik and African Batik in UNESCO heritage. I will take back my words if UNESCO has Chinese Batik. I have google and NONE I find Chinese Batik or African Batik.

Maybe because Batik is not so popular in Chinese or African or Indian tradition, therefore they dont think to apply the "heritage status" to UNESCO.

 

[striver44]

Oh there he is

 

[antonius123]

Him and that kid antonius_123…

Oh there he is

Why? feel unsecured?

Use PDF to discuss the truth for the sake of truth ... not for propaganda nor political purpose Do you think your act will benefit for Indonesia pride? no ... on the contrary .. your childish behavior and spreading hostility will harm Indonesian name.

 

[striver44]

Why? feel unsecured?

Use PDF to discuss the truth for the sake of truth ... not for propaganda nor political purpose

Ahh no , on the other hand i'm the one who feel very secured. Security is what you should be worrying now ehe

 

[Indos]

So, did you win Silat? Indonesian just wants to make this political against China but don't dare to confront the west about this. I should remind you batik in India and China predates Indonesia's batik, should their government apply, they could actually win recognition.

Of course we also won Silat. But Malaysia cannot win in Batik.

I dont need to argue further as I have explained the term batik comes from Indonesia and ours are much superior in quality. That Batik from China is so simple.

LOL what do you mean against China as this debate only happen in PDF ?

No clearity about the origin of this tecnich but Indonesia has made much superior technic since 16 Century and it is why the term Batik is the one that is famous, not Indian, Chinese, or African term ones.

 

[Globenim]

In China, it is called 蜡染

Lesson of the day:
China cant have things that have different names from different places in English language.

Certainly not another dumb troll thread wasting peoples lifetime

 

[antonius123]

Ahh no , on the other hand i'm the one who feel very secured. Security is what you should be worrying now ehe

Why is that?

 

[striver44]

Why is that?

Oh nothing , nothing's wrong. Please enjoy your time in PDF I enjoy mine ehe he

 

[powastick]

Of course we also won Silat. But Malaysia cannot win in Batik.

I dont need to argue further as I have explained the term batik comes from Indonesia and ours are much superior in quality. That Batik from China is so simple.

LOL what do you mean against China as this debate only happen in PDF ?

No clearity about the origin of this tecnich but Indonesia has made much superior technic since 16 Century and it is why the term Batik is the one that is famous, not Indian, Chinese, or African term ones.

We also won Silat, so it does not meant Batik is unique to Indonesia if not Malaysia. If some African country use the term Batik, your countrymen won't give a shit. Batik is a generic english term and it won't stop others from using it. Your claims of superiority of batik doesn't make you claim rights to the word. Protesting here against the Chinese wouldn't work since its an english word, not a Chinese word.

 

[nufix]

Why is this thread turning into a shitshow? To fellow Indonesians, Indonesian Batik is Indonesian, period. Just like Indonesian Balinese Barongsai (Dancing Dragon) is Indonesian despite its origin being from China. Dancing Dragon and Batik are generic terms, there are various versions of them due to cultural exchanges over centuries.

If China claims the Indonesian Batik to be theirs, then it is a problem. But in this case it only says that Batik is also native to several ethnicities in China / Chinese Batik. This probably the same as saying that Dancing Dragon is also native to some ethnicities in Indonesia, which in fact true.

So cmon, dont sweat yourself for nonessential stuff like this.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Why is this thread turning into a shitshow? To fellow Indonesians, Indonesian Batik is Indonesian, period. Just like Indonesian Balinese Barongsai (Dancing Dragon) is Indonesian despite its origin being from China. Dancing Dragon and Batik are generic terms, they are various versions of them due to cultural exchanges over centuries.

If China claims the Indonesian Batik to be theirs, then it is a problem. But in this case it only says that Batik is also native to several ethnicities in China / Chinese Batik. This probably the same as saying that Dancing Dragon is also native to some ethnicities in Indonesia, which in fact true.

So cmon, dont sweat yourself for nonessential stuff like this.

seriously. As an extreme example, if white Americans say that Chinese New Years Lion Dancing is an essential tradition of a large American ethnic group... then I can't even say that's wrong. if white Americans say that tacos, tortillas and burritos are the traditional food of a large American ethnic group... that's not wrong either.

 

[nufix]

seriously. As an extreme example, if white Americans say that Chinese New Years Lion Dancing is an essential tradition of a large American ethnic group... then I can't even say that's wrong. if white Americans say that tacos, tortillas and burritos are the traditional food of a large American ethnic group... that's not wrong either.

Instead of fighting over the origin, people should just celebrate the diversity of the tradition. In Germany, there is an annual independence celebration of Indonesia at the Indonesian embassy serving Indonesia „traditional“ food which includes Mie Pangsit, Bakso, etc. which were actually brought by Chinese and later Javanized, which then later Indonesianized. I could not imagine if Chinese nationals who attended the party start screaming that those foods were not Indonesian. The party would turn to be a shitshow.