Asfand thanks PPP for renaming NWFP province

[niaz]

I dont think name matters that much. However IMO there is a significant non Pakhtoon population in the province. These people speak Hindko and reside in Hazara Distt along the Indus River. Changing the name, implies that any one not speaking Pashto is a second class citizen. If they get it thru national Assembly,it should be okay.

 

[araz]

I dont think name matters that much. However IMO there is a significant non Pakhtoon population in the province. These people speak Hindko and reside in Hazara Distt along the Indus River. Changing the name, implies that any one not speaking Pashto is a second class citizen. If they get it thru national Assembly,it should be okay.

I think in general it is a good move. NWFP is hardly representative of the people living in the province. It has been a longterm demand of the people of the province and if it goes through the parliament, it shoulsd be hailed as a good move.
Niaz Saheb, in response to your post regarding the people of Hazara being treated as second class people, I think it is unlikely to happen. They are a strong entity in the province , hard and rugged people, who know what their rights are and how to take them.
The only other solution of which I am a great fan is to divide Pakistan into 20/21 Provinces and break this talk of dominance of one over other once and for all. They can have equal representation in the senate and the national assembly should be in accordance with the number of people inthe province. Provincial assemblies should be dissolved and power given to regional Nazims. What do you guys think.
Araz

 

[fatman17]

Obviously, all Proper Names were derived from something. Hindus don't think about the Indus river when the refer to themselves as such.

I'm sure that the people of Punjab and Sindh weren't refering to the Five rivers and the sea when they named their provinces.


At the time of independence, they were named on the basis of the Punjabis and Sindhis residing there.

Same applies to Balochistan and "Azad" Kashmir.

So why give the people of NWFP such a demeaning name? As if they are a perpetual "Frontier" in some neverending war?

Stealth - whats with the lovely avtar!

 

[Flintlock]

Stealth - whats with the lovely avtar!

Ain't she cute?

 

[Mansoor A Qureshi]

What about other option guyz like " Khyber " " Abasin " and as far as i am concern there are other major problems to be solved then renaming the province, What about them?

 

[Mansoor A Qureshi]

I dont think name matters that much. However IMO there is a significant non Pakhtoon population in the province. These people speak Hindko and reside in Hazara Distt along the Indus River. Changing the name, implies that any one not speaking Pashto is a second class citizen. If they get it thru national Assembly,it should be okay.

Well said and agreed.........

 

[Flintlock]

India has had a few movements for statehood in recent years.

Uttarakhand wanted to separate from Uttar Pradesh, Jharkhand from Madhya Pradesh, and Chattisgarh from Bihar.
I guess the reasons were ethnicity, please correct me if I'm wrong.

I think it is a good idea to have smaller states. Big states are difficult to manage.

On a side note, I hate the name Uttarakhand. Uttaranchal had such a nice ring to it....sad really.

 

[roadrunner]

The name Afghania is totally out of the question. Its like saying Afghanistan Junior. All I know is that if th name is changed it should not by any means be named after the people's ethnicity. Non of Pakistan provinces are named based on ethnicity and niether should this province.

Goodness, what sort of semi literate drivel is this? Punjab is named after the Punjabi ethnic group, Sindh is named after the Sindhi ethnic group, Baluchistan is named after the Baloch ethnic group. No wonder nobody talks to you in the Mosque, it'd be difficult lowering oneself to such an IQ level.

 

[roadrunner]

AM the article's title is bias, maybe you miss interpreted from there on? The constitutional package will be sent to the "Parliment," which is the vioce of the people of all provinces, it therefore establishes the referendum of the country. Is the "Parliment" not supreme? If we oppose and impose others ideolgy on the NWFP than we are no different to Musharraf.

The NWFP has given their mandate to the ANP plus the name change was on the agenda for many years AM, it was not possible to change due to the sudden change of governments and therfore was set a side.

In the UK the many Pakthun I know are extatic about the change, I really like it.

As if you know any Pakhtuns. Probably met them all on the internet as well. I don't see what the name of NWFP matters. More important will be to see what the government does about education, funds, projects in the NWFP. Changing a name means nothing in real terms. Just a political point to form a coalition with ANP to back Musharraf into a corner.

Most Frontier dwellers couldnt care less I suspect. They're waiting for kapra and roti still, as promised.

 

[Flintlock]

They could carve out the non-pakhtun areas into Centrally administered territories.. It will cause zero harm and make a lot of people happy.

 

[Interceptor]

Interceptor does have a somewhat valid point. However I would argue that political parties run on a variety of issues, and people vote for their representatives based on what issues they hold dearest. I would argue that in the NWFP in this election the paramount issues were terrorism, economy and anti-Musharraf sentiment, not the name change, though I am sure that many people may have like that idea as well.

In a situation such as that, and on an issue that has multiple viewpoints, it makes sense, IMO, to hold a referendum on the possible list of names that exists.

I agree with what you say but lets get back on the topic of name change yes the mandate had the above objectives. The NWFP has weeped the past few decades, and as I can see from your avatar that you might admire Jinnah? Jinnah believed in identity and for that he created a state. am I wrong correct me. I am half Pakthun myself as I understand because my grand mother was a Pakthun, it is these hard working people of Pakistan that are also a part of us, these are the very people who gave Pakistan Kashmir of what was left, Pakistan did not have a army that could be deployed instead the NWFP Pakthuns and Baluchi's picked up arms and fought till the bitter end they could have captured whole of Kashmir but our foolish PM Liaquat called them off.

Identity is need right now in these troubled times when our Baluchi's a section of them want independence and same for parts of the NWFP, lets welcome this change in name as understanding that we reconcile with our brothers.

 

[Interceptor]

As if you know any Pakhtuns. Probably met them all on the internet as well. I don't see what the name of NWFP matters. More important will be to see what the government does about education, funds, projects in the NWFP. Changing a name means nothing in real terms. Just a political point to form a coalition with ANP to back Musharraf into a corner.

Most Frontier dwellers couldnt care less I suspect. They're waiting for kapra and roti still, as promised.

Not really, I dont sit in dark rooms unlike you and type jiber jaber. I actually am important person in society unlike you, I live in the world outside. Unlike you I have friends, and that is why I am might be tad more better in reacting about the feeling of the people.

What you are is, if I read any of your posts, they are made from speculation and Musharraf, that is the only objective of your post. Musharraf.

 

[mujahideen]

Goodness, what sort of semi literate drivel is this? Punjab is named after the Punjabi ethnic group, Sindh is named after the Sindhi ethnic group, Baluchistan is named after the Baloch ethnic group. No wonder nobody talks to you in the Mosque, it'd be difficult lowering oneself to such an IQ level.

You claim to know everything, but then again you seem to prove over and over again that it is your IQ that might be really low. Punjab is not named after the people who live their it is named after the five rivers, Punjab meaning the land of five rivers. Sindh mean land by the sea. Baluchistan also has a meaning but I cant remember what it is. None of our provinces are named after the people. You know may be if you actucally read facts about our history you wont always be wrong. But then again everyone has a low IQ for you. Weren't you the same person who favors surrendering in front of the Afghans and raping the Bengalis. You know I really tried to be repectful to you, but your one of those people who cant be respected. And I am not the only one saying this alot of people on this forum have said this about you.

 

[mujahideen]

Not really, I dont sit in dark rooms unlike you and type jiber jaber. I actually am important person in society unlike you, I live in the world outside. Unlike you I have friends, and that is why I am might be tad more better in reacting about the feeling of the people.

Oh come on man. We have a negative IQ when compared to him. All the people who spent their whole life reseaching are wrong and whatever he writes is right. For him the people of Pakistan are nothing, he only has the interests of the Afghans in mind who have given us nothing.

 

[Interceptor]

^
What can I say Muj, you picked up a point that I didn't.

LOL.