As US plays off India and China, it risks losing a nuclear-armed ally: Pakistan

[doorstar]

Thanks! @PanzerKiel

 

[Khan vilatey]

That is because the US deep state is back in charge. They are undecided and confused right now. Mixed messages, but they have recently been pushed by NATO to remain in Afghanistan. I fully agree that Trump was the best US leader Pakistan dealt with. The Democrat scumbags are unreliable.

I think that during Biden era Pakistan US relations are going to suffer very badly. There will be an atmosphere of mistrust and ugliness. The American diplomatic staff will again be confined in their spying HQ in Islamabad.

The Americans are also paranoid about Pakistani nukes LOL Don't think the Americans will ever leave Pakistan. It all depends on how Pakistan tells the Americans that this relationship is finished. The Americans and their Western counterparts will continue to covertly hurt Pakistan as much as possible.

Rarely mentioned, but let's be under no illusion. The Americans and Western nations are playing a very long and foul game. They are aiding and abetting seperatist and anti-national elements in Pakistan. Thousands of Sindhi, Baloch and Pashtun seperatists are living in exile in many Western capitals. The Westerners are nurturing these elements to spread chaos and bloodshed in Pakistan. Sooner or later Pakistan is going to have to end the suffering. All diplomatic relations with the US will come to a halt. Basically a Cuba like situation.

I respectfully disagree, for a quick recovery America and the west need China so very little will happen to antagonize Chinese interests ergo PAkistan. I think the west will be a lot more anti India in the near future, people here already hate Indian scams and the back office outsourcing takes away good paying American / western jobs to replace manufacturing.

It's actually a QUAD+ if you count Taiwan and Canada.

I understand that Biden will be pro America but he is a blue dog democrat growing up through the Reagan era. He has close ties to the Pakistani military and I believe he will turn out to be paro China and much more receptive to Pakistan’s point of view. We should all remember that China has recently displaced the Americans as the too trading partner of Europe.

If you say, war against terror then who was responsible¿

Yes, it was Pakistan itself by hosting Talibani in Pakistan against USSR. US gave you everything to you by paying cash, military items etc.... Pakistan enjoyed relationship with US as much they can in 1980s and took the benefits ...

It was not fault of India.

the Americans trained and funded the mujahideen against Russia and left after their thing was done. They created this monster
K

 

[Colonel_Hardstone]

Pakistan should not break ties with anyone including United States, Middle East (GCC etc). The art of diplomacy is to maintain ties even in the face of active disagreements. Our religion and common sense calls for active engagement and diplomacy with all parties. Our foreign Service should do its job and keep our relationship at an even keel with everyone.

China is our all-weather friend and due to CPEC we do have reliance on China but in the Interest of our independent National interest we should not actively work to sour relationship with United States at all.

 

[Dalit]

same old debunked pajeet bullcrap, getting sick of it. @PanzerKiel @AgNoStiC MuSliM

Are you saying that US drone strikes haven't killed innocent people in Pakistan? That is not some pajeet BS. It is the truth. Our own shameful military leaders at the time allowed it to happen know the truth.

You want to know a fun fact? The Americans that you are defending so much are today using this very fact against the Pak military. When PTM shouts that Pakistan army allowed US drone strikes against Pashtun the Americans amplify this noise through media lies. Undermining the Pakistani army. The same Pak army that tacitly approved US drone strikes during Musharraf era. That is what we call an American thank you.

@PanzerKiel I'm confused again. does it mean that I am lying or is mr. dalit the multi-ID king making crap up.

P.S
have you noticed the increase in killings of FC personnel ever since they stopped calling in air support/drone strikes at the behest of PM Moran Khan?

You are confused about a whole host of things.

Luckily the vast majority of Pakistanis are vehemently opposed to US warmongering in Pakistan. Your school of thought belongs to a dying breed in Pakistan. It died a natural death a long time ago. No, we won't be sucking up to America anymore. We are done doing that.

 

[Dalit]

Pakistan should not break ties with anyone including United States, Middle East (GCC etc). The art of diplomacy is to maintain ties even in the face of active disagreements. Our religion and common sense calls for active engagement and diplomacy with all parties. Our foreign Service should do its job and keep our relationship at an even keel with everyone.

China is our all-weather friend and due to CPEC we do have reliance on China but in the Interest of our independent National interest we should not actively work to sour relationship with United States at all.

It has already happened. US Pakistan relations are toxic and beyond recovery. That is the simple truth. No we won't be getting military and economic aid from the US.

Diplomacy is done with counterparts. Not with backstabbers who kill your soldiers at Salala in broad daylight. We don't have disagreements with the US/NATO. We are in a state of war with the US/NATO. Let's cut this crap and call things how they really are. It is not only Afghans and Indians who are involved in actively supporting TTP. US/NATO is a bigger problem for Pakistan than India and Afghanistan. These powers have enabled India and Afghanistan to attack Pakistan through TTP and other terrorists. Moreover, the US/NATO doesn't hide its aspirations to balkanise Pakistan along ethnic lines.

Where the heck does religion say that you keep your doors open to a hypocritical backstabbing nation? Religion says that a believer isn't bitten twice.

 

[doorstar]

Are you saying that US drone strikes haven't killed innocent people in Pakistan? That is not some pajeet BS. It is the truth. Our own leaders and shameful military leaders at the time who allowed it to happen know the truth.

You want to know a fun fact? The Americans that you are defending so much are today using this very fact against the Pak military. When PTM shouts that Pakistan allowed US drone strikes the Americans amplify this noise. So much for tacitly approving US drone strikes in Pakistan.



You are confused about a whole host of things.

Luckily the vast majority of Pakistanis are vehemently opposed to US warmongering in Pakistan. Your school of thought belongs to a dying breed in Pakistan. It died a natural death a long time ago. No, we won't be sucking up to America anymore. We are done doing that.

do you have any first hand knowledge? like having served with Pak Forces (FC) in and around FATA?

you're posting indian rubbish/ spreading made-up bullshit on which this here crappy forum thrives. hence any and every ignorant multi-ID rat is allowed to go on and with such nonsense.
your claims/assertions have no truth in them whatsoever

 

[Dalit]

do you have any first hand knowledge? like having served with Pak Forces (FC) in and around FATA?

you're posting indian rubbish/ spreading made-up bullshit on which this here crappy forum thrives. hence any and every ignorant multi-ID rat is allowed to go on and with such nonsense.
your claims/assertions have no truth in them whatsoever

Who are you kidding?

Ex-Pakistani President Musharraf admits secret deal with U.S. on drone strikes | CNN

After years of criticism and denials, ex-Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf acknowledges his government secretly signed off on U.S. drone strikes.

edition.cnn.com

LOL as if anyone who served in the Pak army or in that specific area has the secretive knowledge. BS. Nothing secret about it. It is absolutely common knowledge among all that during Musharraf era the Americans had tacit approval to carry out drone strikes in Pakistan. Did the drone strikes cause collateral damage? Of course they did. Only a person living in a cave would deny this.

Today the Americans have thrown the same Pak army under the bus when their media glorifies PTM claims. Your denial isn't changing anything.

Just because Indians make such claims doesn't make it any less factual. The Indians merely use it for their own propaganda usage just like the Americans and others.

The Pak army made a colossal blunder at the time. Period.

 

[striver44]

We should all remember that China has recently displaced the Americans as the too trading partner of Europe.

bullshit.

No, China is not the EU’s top trading partner

When you count services, not just goods, trade flows with the US are far larger.

www.politico.eu

 

[Imad.Khan]

With the massive amount of investment China has in Pakistan that is growing all the time; all the military, industrial and infrastructure joint programs going on between Pakistan and China it is now virtually impossible for Pakistan to have equal ties between america and China. Also, we can't trust the americans as they back and support india.

Besides the financial aspect of the relationship, things are also changing fast for people of China and Pakistan. Where ever i go, if i come across a Chinese and they find out i am a Pakistani, they immediately say " we friends", and recently i have seen an increased dislike for Indians by Chinese.

 

[Imad.Khan]

Only a fool will trust USA , after what they did to Pakistan after Soviet Afghanistan war and after 2011 .
Majority of Pakistanis know it . Also they are arming India and backing them on every forum .

That explains why Indians are moving towards Uncle Sam

 

[xyxmt]

losing a nuclear armed ally who is unable to feed itself .

oh jani, we eat snaks that 90% Indians wish they can have once for dinner.

oh and our Chai is fantashtic, people risk their lives to have just one cup

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Dude, when were you born? Are have you been living under a rock all this time? Jog your memory back to 9/11/01, I'm sure a few neurons would spark up.



Yup, as I thought ... you have been living under a rock all this time. Guess it's not your fault ... you know ... being indian n' all.



I suggest you start eating almonds, coz it's clear you have some sort of irregular brain activity ... or lack thereof.



Of course, when there is a Nuclear Armed Superpower, Soviet Union, on Pakistan's border. One would think we were having a BBQ and singing Kumbaya all day long.



india itself is a mistake! And you .... seriously need to do your homework and get clued up on historical facts n figures before coming here with your incoherent babble.

Ohh boy, read the history probably of your country. Thank you

 

[Khan vilatey]

bullshit.

No, China is not the EU’s top trading partner

When you count services, not just goods, trade flows with the US are far larger.

www.politico.eu

The article does say goods imported by Europe were the highest from china. Services today are not but the Europeans signed an investment contract. This will inverbally grow. People in Europe were broken by trump. People would work with communist China instead of the bilergent US. Since 90s the Europeans were waiting for a power they can work with to counter and control the US. This is their opportunity to milk both the Americans and the Chinese!
K

 

[SpaceMan18]

It will be a blessing for the US to lose Pakistan which double crosses them and provide no significant benefits. Anyone befriending pakistan should be ready to extend loans to them only to waive them off later.

Remember when the U.S killed your space scientists by using their CIA ?

Yeah it's almost like America doesn't give a **** about India cause guess what

America first

The article does say goods imported by Europe were the highest from china. Services today are not but the Europeans signed an investment contract. This will inverbally grow. People in Europe were broken by trump. People would work with communist China instead of the bilergent US. Since 90s the Europeans were waiting for a power they can work with to counter and control the US. This is their opportunity to milk both the Americans and the Chinese!
K

The Chinese will end up buying Europe if Europe thinks it will milk China

 

[khail007]

losing a nuclear armed ally who is unable to feed itself .

And becoming a friend with a nuclear armed ally where the population have to defecate in the open - the actual shit land on the earth. Now trying to get to defecate on moon and mars