As of today. Strait of Hormuz is closed for US

[LeGenD]

The only thing US can or will do is Air & Missile Strikes, that’s a big if if they decide to attack Iran.

No foot soldiers on the ground will achieve anything, having foot soldiers on the ground will be no Iraq, this is a different nation if Uncle Sam has learnt anything from Afghanistan.

FYI: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/as-o...-is-closed-for-us.615327/page-4#post-11400664

Iraqi people had similar boasts that US will utterly fail in Iraq but they were proven wrong. This same Iraq gave Iran one hell of a fight earlier - do not forget this.

In no way or form, Iran stand a chance against US in a war. Iranian people are being misled by their leadership, and not not understand what they are up against this time.

I do not say that Iran simply bow its head and nod in the face of extreme pressures, but Iranian people should know what to expect. This is a fight they cannot win, and they will have to make do with patience.

 

[Sugarcane]

I was just commenting, however I look favourable towards Iran then GCC, sorry yar I am what I am.

When yanks mercilessly killed our soldiers, we blocked their supplies. The blockaded had almost brought uncle sam to knees but India+Iran tag team gave him breathing space by providing supplies via Iran. So, lets mind our own business and interests instead of wanking in matters which doesn't concern. Our priority should be securing and controlling our western borders like eastern border and LOC to avoid any spill over if sh!t ever hit the fan. As far as US is concerned, they don't need to attack Iran directly when they can pitch Iranins and Arabs against each other and can fight Iran till last Arab, and Arabs till last Iranian.

 

[mangekyo]

You clearly do not understand anything about modern-era conflict and how effective an airborne campaign can be in the present age.

USAF and USN in tandem toppled Taliban-led regime in Afghanistan with a small number of troops on the ground (special forces) back in 2001 - 2002 period - a military operation which lasted only 2 months. Bombing runs were so intense that earthquakes were recorded in some sectors. It would take years for Afghan Taliban to re-surge and regain its footing across Afghanistan (2015) but NATO have maintained a small presence in Afghanistan since 2014 - still enough to keep Afghan Taliban at bay until a political endgame is achieved.

There is no such thing as hit 'some targets' for USAF and USN - these two can wipe Iran from existence if need be. Don't be gullible and misled.

You are basing this on Iran not being able to retaliate. The only reason US could perform such heavy air raids with carpet bombing was because they knew Taliban had no means of retaliations. Try that on Iran and see what will happen. I know US can wipe Iran EASILY. US Can wipe any country they want EASILY. But this is not a video game were you destroy your enemy a victory sign pop up and the game ends.

 

[jamal18]

The US has a level of technology, and a quantity that it can acheive almost anything it wants. It has an ability for force projection that no country can match. It can inflict a level of punishment on Iran that is almost unimaginable.

I cannot see it putting boots on the ground, and frankly I don't see the Saudis fulfilling that role. Any Iranian 'invasion' of the Arab world would be stopped in its' tracks by US airpower. The card the Iranians have is blocking the flow of oil, but how long they can do that for with the US devastating their homeland is questionable.

 

[mangekyo]

Iraqi people had similar boasts that US will utterly fail in Iraq but they were proven wrong. This same Iraq gave Iran one hell of a fight earlier - do not forget this.

That was when Iran was in the middle of a revolution. Most of our generals and competent people were either executed or fled. Our weapons were aging, we were embargoed while Saddam received financial support from GCC and the west, chemical weapons from Germany, satellite imagery from US and so on. While we were literally begging for SCUD missiles. Even US admitted that their most important objective was to make sure Iran DID NOT win the war.

 

[loanranger]

Good.

Pakistan does not care if it becomes "one of several" nuclear Muslim states. Our nuclear capability is primarily to cage india within ganga plains and make india irrelevant geopolitical entity devoid of any chances of expansion (whether physical or cultural). We have done it successfully and will continue to do so.

Secondly, holy sites of Mecca Medinah are protected by our nuclear umbrella and no state is stupid enough to try to launch an invasion on holy cities anyways.

Besides that, Iran...KSA...Turkey...they all can have nuclear weapons. Good for them, we don't care

This might be the reason Allah gave us the nukes.We are open hearted our nukes are for all muslim states....No jealousy no prejuidce only loyalty to faith!

 

[925boy]

Seeing is believing.

But people believe chemistry as a science without "seeing" 99% of it.

 

[Wow]

Woah the aint f##king around

 

[khail007]

you are underestimating what US Navy can do

No Sir, he did not underestimated US navy he is just talking about Iran.
We never under estimate US, we know that how they were 'Victorious' in Vietnam. We know how brave they were to face USSR in Afghanistan. We know how bravely they are now fighting in Afghanistan. After nearly two decades of velour now US negotiating with 'terrorists' for safe exit.
We never underestimate Sir.

 

[VCheng]

No Sir, he did not underestimated US navy he is just talking about Iran.
We never under estimate US, we know that how they were 'Victorious' in Vietnam. We know how brave they were to face USSR in Afghanistan. We know how bravely they are now fighting in Afghanistan. After nearly two decades of velour now US negotiating with 'terrorists' for safe exit.
We never underestimate Sir.

And yet after all those defeats, USA is still a superpower, while the victorious countries remain where they are. Interesting situation.

 

[khail007]

And yet after all those defeats, USA is still a superpwoer, while the victorious countries remain where they are. Interesting situation.

Sir G, indeed very interesting ... Russian were also of same narrative in pre Afghan occupation era. Let's watch.

 

[VCheng]

Sir G, indeed very interesting ... Russian were also of same narrative in pre Afghan occupation era. Let's watch.

It would be quite interesting to see how things evolve with the present situation, indeed.

 

[LeGenD]

That was when Iran was in the middle of a revolution. Most of our generals and competent people were either executed or fled. Our weapons were aging, we were embargoed while Saddam received financial support from GCC and the west, chemical weapons from Germany, satellite imagery from US and so on. While we were literally begging for SCUD missiles. Even US admitted that their most important objective was to make sure Iran DID NOT win the war.

My friend, I study this stuff and understand what happened.

I am not asserting that Iraq won the war but it did give Iran one hell of a fight which lasted 7 - 8 years straight. Now, both countries had their share of flaws. Iraqi military wasn't large enough, and well-equipped enough, to invade Iran back in the 1980 but Saddam Hussein foolishly gave this order; what happened is that Iraqi military conquered certain parts of Iran but failed to make deeper inroads and take over Tehran due to Iranian resistance. Now Iranian resistance at this stage was nothing significant due to the reasons you pointed out but failure of Iraqi military forces to advance further provided sufficient breathing space to Iranian regime to galvanize Iranian public to fight for the country and commit lot of manpower to this cause. IRGC came into being and Iranian military managed to regroup and both factions took the initiative to oust Iraqi military forces from Iranian territory in tandem (cooperation). When this happened, Saddam Hussein offered terms for lasting peace to Ayatollah Khomeini but the latter rejected it. In fact, Iranian military forces invaded certain parts of Iraq [an accomplished worth talking about] but Iraq began to receive lot of foreign aid from this point on and Iraqi people began to mobilize for war on a much bigger scale than ever before, and Iranian military capability diminished by 1988 whereas Iraq had a powerful military at its disposal at this stage. It was at this point that Ayatollah Khomeini considered peaceful resolution to the war. One thing is that since Iraq was short on naval front and Iranian Navy had monopoly in this domain, Iranian Navy took the bait of USN and drew it into a shooting contest (Operation Praying Mantis) in 1988 which resulted in significant losses on Iranian side and Ayatollah Khomeini lost this leverage in deciding terms for peace consequently.

Most unfortunate is the fact that a huge number of Muslims lost their lives in this war, and it qualify as one of the darkest chapters of Islamic history. Allah Almighty punished Iraq for its transgressions but Iran haven't learned a lesson either (need to give up its interventionist designs). So my friend, understand that much can go wrong for Iran in the most recent conflict. This isn't to say that Iran is weak but US is too powerful an adversary to exchange blows with and not suffering tremendously. Ballistic missiles will not accomplish much - I tell you.

 

[Titanium100]

34 years of economic war by US and UN = Iran didnt crumble
34 years of arms embargo to make Iran's military weak like Saddam = Iran didnt crumble
34 years of GCC arabs buying and owning best western weapons+ their "500M"population = Iran didnt crumble

I believe the only way Iran can crumble is if US+ other countries attack AND occupy Iran.

Your comments SOUND smart, but they reveal your underestimation and misunderstanding of the situation on the ground. 1st of all, Iran's military technology today is way better than many years ago. From what i know about Iran, the last thing to happen to Iran(and that people who dont understand IRan say ) is : "Iran will collapse". I hate to bring it to you- Iran is not going to collapse. If there's one thing Iran is actually good at, its keeping its state and its functions intact despite pressures, sanctions and enmity along all its borders.

Also, i am worried US is not militarily motivated to give Iran a good blow. US military ALWAYS looks good, but i am worried US is afraid of attacking Iran,even now. FOr one, once US attacks Iran, China and North Korea know US cant back up allies in the Pacific well and Russia knows EU is less well protected That's facts! some of you are working with year 1995/year 2000 logic, conditions and context. You stubborn guys dont want to admit China + Russia military power already = US military power(https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/china-army-xi/). ALREADY! EU has no motivation to fight, even for uncle Sam, unless there's a threat to their homeland(so Russia is the main threat i see them mobilizing for). At the end of the day, all im seeing is a veery capable US military.....facing alot of threats....on its own.

You are overrating a hospital patient. Iran is alot weaker than you realize and have always been. Iran is the definition of paper-tiger I don't rate them much. Technology wise Iran has nothing else but junk military hardware nothing really to be excited about. Tiny nations like UAE and Israel can overcome them single handedly. All that you have written is waste of space. It depends on motivation if several nations are motivated to regime change in iran it will happen without a doubt.

As someone who takes interest in Military hardware I can tell you Iran is alot weaker than you realize and will have to be forced on defensive wars even against tiny neighbour nations

 

[Pandora]

Iran has no air force to speak of how are they expecting to stop them?