As China eclipses US, Brussels must rethink Beijing, says top EU diplomat

[beijingwalker]

EU elites need China.

European peoples don't need China.

Basically this means EU needs China.

 

[Globenim]

EU elites need China.

European peoples don't need China.

China for the EU elites is a way to have low paid slaves to manufacture cr*ppy things.

High unemployment rates in EU could be lower if we stop buy cr*ppy chinese things.

But elites dont want that, because is more easy use chinese slaves than employ european people.

We need a Donald Trump in each country of EU.

European people don't need your U.S.A
NATO puppets among the European elites need your U.S.A.

European people don't your NATO.
Your U.S.A. needs Europeans in NATO as slaves of their empire.

European people don't need your orange clown.
European people overhelmingly hate the Trump regime.

 

[thewayoftheworld]

The prosperity in the West depends on the status quo. Slave like labors in non-white countries are need to keep Western countries rich. Western Europe will always side with other white european countries when it comes down to the wire. That's why they work with one another to carve up colonial lands. In the West, there are winner and losers. For them to be a winner someone has to be the loser. There is no "harmony", let or let live mentality like East Asian culture.

 

[master_13]

With all due respect you do not live in Europe and do not know how white people think like.

One of the reasons they became so successful is they co-operated on the whole rather than fight too much with each other.

No chance Europe will side with China over USA. They may not follow everything that USA tells them to do but they also like the USA do not want China to become more powerful than USA.

that's true to a certain extend, but European also needs stronger china to counterbalance US. US has bullied them for far too long, unilaterally tearing apart Iran deal, putting European nations at security risk, sanctioning Germany companies for purchasing Russian gas... the list goes on. European desperately wants to get out of American circle and want to be independent and China is the card they can hold to flash it to the US.

 

[Leishangthem]

I was not pro china but,just like Japan was the beacon of hope against western imperialism of Asia during the early 19th century,China is the last stand against the eternal western imperialism.

East Asia is definitely superior to the west,make no mistake about that,it's the weak that needs to consistently tell themselves they are superior to console the weak heart. The west can never be ahead of a united East Asia.

They west is scared shitless because if China took over the world order they will not get to keep printing easy money and procure wealth to sustain itself through their rogue activities. The west can't match East asia in sheer hard work and pure ingenuity, innovation when competing on equal ground.
The west, especially the US is terrified about being held accountable for their atrocities all across the globe.
That's why they don't want China to rise and prefer an US-based unilateral world order,where the West couldn't be judged by the rest of the world.

 

[gambit]

I was not pro china but,just like Japan was the beacon of hope against western imperialism of Asia during the early 19th century,China is the last stand against the eternal western imperialism.

East Asia is definitely superior to the west,make no mistake about that,it's the weak that needs to consistently tell themselves they are superior to console the weak heart. The west can never be ahead of a united East Asia.

They west is scared shitless because if China took over the world order they will not get to keep printing easy money and procure wealth to sustain itself through their rogue activities. The west can't match East asia in sheer hard work and pure ingenuity, innovation when competing on equal ground.
The west, especially the US is terrified about being held accountable for their atrocities all across the globe.
That's why they don't want China to rise and prefer an US-based unilateral world order,where the West couldn't be judged by the rest of the world.

Here is the deal...

Symbolism is important. Currently, the UN is the most important symbol for the 2nd and 3rd world countries. The UN is where by sheer numerical superiority, 2nd and 3rd world countries can have some say and even sway over the influence and power of the 1st world countries: the US and Europe.

The quickest path for China to truly eclipse the US is to take over the UN but that also mean China will have to shoulder exponentially more responsibilities. China is BOTH incapable and not brave enough to do that. Absent any sort of moral leadership at the UN, the UN will become nothing more than an empty shell. That means as long as the US have enough sway on the world stage, China will never be able to eclipse the US.

 

[Leishangthem]

Here is the deal...

Symbolism is important. Currently, the UN is the most important symbol for the 2nd and 3rd world countries. The UN is where by sheer numerical superiority, 2nd and 3rd world countries can have some say and even sway over the influence and power of the 1st world countries: the US and Europe.

The quickest path for China to truly eclipse the US is to take over the UN but that also mean China will have to shoulder exponentially more responsibilities. China is BOTH incapable and not brave enough to do that. Absent any sort of moral leadership at the UN, the UN will become nothing more than an empty shell. That means as long as the US have enough sway on the world stage, China will never be able to eclipse the US.

China has never wanted to be the police of the world,china believes no nation single should act as the policemen of the world. China want to dismantle US unilateralism not take over US's spot as world police.That's what the west don't understand or may be willingly ignored.
China want a unipolar world , where we live and let others live.But what the US seeks is to hold on its current criminal unilateral order.
If you are not anti-science,you should accept that china will have an economy twice the size of US in two decade.
Though US might still be a military power. If the US still tries to act like police of the world at that stage ,the whole world will judge US not China,just like the whole world judge UK when it pretends to influence china over hongkong.

It is based on White supremacy. If China had not fucked up 500 years ago and went on to colonize the world, today most East Asians would think the same way.

Your opinion itself is a byproduct of western Ideology influence.You have become sensitive to the western perspective.Your own perspective is now determined by "how west views".

East doesn't have to circumvent around how "west views"it,it can't work that way,that's not sustainable but self-destructive,east must set its own concept of east.

Remember,regardless of everything the west never colonized Japan,Korea or China.
East Asia can have moral authority over the west's colonial history.

East Asia is actually very sneaky.

They hide their status by making other feel like the star.

That is why their influence gains appear so slow.

They are simply too patient and too crafty!
The whole world is envious of the east, especially Japan & korea, now china is slowly entering into that zone but lots of work is to be done.

 

[gambit]

China has never wanted to be the police of the world,china believes no nation single should act as the policemen of the world.

Then this thread is meaningless because if China does not want to supplant the US in the areas that the US currently dominate, that mean China do not want to set herself as an ideological alternative to the US, as how China tried during the Cold War, and we know how that turned out.

Here is the uncomfortable fact for you: The US did not set out to be the world's policeman by will BUT BY CONSENSUS. If you keep silent and go along, you consented, no matter how grudgingly, to whatever order. Take the concept of 'freedom of navigation', for example. How many countries in the world like it? Right now, it appears dictatorships oppose it. You do not have to be vocal about supporting it. All you have to do is let US enforce it and enjoys its economic benefits. The US does not demand payment from you and we enforce FON at our cost. So who, other than dictatorships, oppose that?

If China cannot or does not want to achieve even silent (tacit) consent of its ideals, China can never eclipse the US.

 

[Han Patriot]

Then this thread is meaningless because if China does not want to supplant the US in the areas that the US currently dominate, that mean China do not want to set herself as an ideological alternative to the US, as how China tried during the Cold War, and we know how that turned out.

Here is the uncomfortable fact for you: The US did not set out to be the world's policeman by will BUT BY CONSENSUS. If you keep silent and go along, you consented, no matter how grudgingly, to whatever order. Take the concept of 'freedom of navigation', for example. How many countries in the world like it? Right now, it appears dictatorships oppose it. You do not have to be vocal about supporting it. All you have to do is let US enforce it and enjoys its economic benefits. The US does not demand payment from you and we enforce FON at our cost. So who, other than dictatorships, oppose that?

If China cannot or does not want to achieve even silent (tacit) consent of its ideals, China can never eclipse the US.

Yah that includes killing 500k Iraqis. Concensus huh?