Artillery Btn moved to LoC as Pak shells Poonch posts again

[SamantK]

I'm sorry I didn't understand and so I'd be obliged if you can rephrase that a bit !

The scenarios you mentioned are mostly low to medium intensity counter-terrorism issues, these do not need

1. Nuclear capable missiles
2. Frequent improvement and tests
3. Nuclear bombs
4. Expensive postures against the Indian airforce

So all these are not required and thus would need to be curtailed, this is not acceptable to your Army..

 

[Screambowl]

Rangers come under the interior ministry not the army... and its not a secret tht ur army doesnt want to negotiate... not ours... COAS has called for peace with india a billion times... its ur nut cases tht rant abt surgical strikes,osma like raid and limited nuclear war... i mean what the hell is a limited nuclear war? lol gen singhs brain fart explosion?

who knows If they are rangers or proper military personals, trust deficit is there. 75% of your forces are stationed at your eastern border, who knows who is firing. And If they are terrorists then our stance was right. And in a region like Jammu and Kashmir, I am sure it is the army stationed there, since it is a sensitive area.

I agree, we do not want to talk, and do you know why? Because whenever we try to talk, the same violations happens again and again, infiltration is a daily situation.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Really, I gotta give it to the Indian diplomats. how are they even having conversations with these scum.

Except a few Pakistanis educated abroad, the rest are simply closet jihadis with zero moral values. keep insisting that everyone else is actually doing what their ISPR says and have absolutely no sense of guilt/shame for the kind of society they have built in these 60 years(of course, it's just propaganda by US/India/Israel to malign pakistan and islam). I am surprised that such breed of creatures even exist. But, only with such population, you can have a sanctuary of Islamic terrorists.

Just saw this "Shia kafir killing" video
Quetta firing on bus many people Killed. ::... | Facebook

no wonder, Pakistanis on PDF speak and think the way they do.

Its surely not us beheading our daughters and parading their heads in public:
http://www.google.com.pk/url?sa=t&r...xsWoDw&usg=AFQjCNH2iIBusGZYYpxoHUBSWM9ogMjO0A

So next time instead of being a lowly troll try talkin sense... which i guess u and ur likes lack!

 

[SamantK]

Obviously they were known to India & Indians

*Facepalm*

 

[seethru]

the tamil tigers terrorized Sri Lanka for 30+ years and killed more people than all these individuals/events did COMBINED


so kindly -- STFU and GTFO

wait a sec. LTTE issue was crystal clear. There was only diplomatic and moral support before they "took up arms". it was settled in 90s. We took a stance and stood by it till today.

 

[SamantK]

Its surely not us beheading our daughters and parading their heads in public:
http://www.google.com.pk/url?sa=t&r...xsWoDw&usg=AFQjCNH2iIBusGZYYpxoHUBSWM9ogMjO0A

So next time instead of being a lowly troll try talkin sense... which i guess u and ur likes lack!

A troll condemning another one... how cute. You brought in Gujrat and Punjab which was fine but some one who brought a something on Pakistan and you go on a spree... wow!

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

who knows If they are rangers or proper military personals, trust deficit is there. 75% of your forces are stationed at your eastern border, who knows who is firing. And If they are terrorists then our stance was right. And in a region like Jammu and Kashmir, I am sure it is the army stationed there, since it is a sensitive area.

And ur forces are enjoying picnic there ? u have more than 80% of ur army stationed on ur borders.. what do u expect? and terrorists? its indian army tht shelled our village.. hurt a woman and a child... Pak rangers retured fire from "small arms" and ur jawan got killed.... u tried to fire arty at our posts ur gun barrel exploded..killing a few more... in short...dont fire... and dont get fired at..

I agree, we do not want to talk, and do you know why? Because whenever we try to talk, the same violations happens again and again, infiltration is a daily situation.

Our COAS wants peace... ur army chief wanted a freakin nuclear war... decide!

 

[Screambowl]

What possible reason would they have for doing that ? Nuisance value ? I'm sure between the insurgency in Balochistan, the militancy in KP, the worsening US-Pak relations and the end game in Afghanistan, the Army has enough on their platter right now and they're still very much relevant for the foreseeable future and so I'm not sure that I buy the assertion that the army did this because they fear that they'd loose their relevance due to peace between India and Pakistan ! It won't...at least not yet and no we're not suicidal enough to try to multitask all of the above in addition to some of our conspicuously crippling constraints - bad PR and a really bad economy !

Point is your army is only India centric, they know, they cannot challenge USA, so was Musharraf correct.
your intel.and military knows, that Pakistan cannot stand when it comes to the solutions, since Pakistan's diplomacy has gotten weak in the past 20 years. So dialogues are useless.
Military and intel knows that infiltration in Kashmir is the only last hope to influence Kashmiris and make Kashmir an insecure place to spoil its economical value, if not controlled by Pakistan.

 

[seethru]

the tamil tigers terrorized Sri Lanka for 30+ years and killed more people than all these individuals/events did COMBINED


so kindly -- STFU and GTFO

wait a sec. LTTE issue was crystal clear. There was only diplomatic and moral support before they "took up arms". it was settled in 90s. We took a stance and stood by it till today.

and you are senior member! really, i should seriously consider stopping answering to Pakistanis. perhaps that's what is actually the Indian Policy towards Pakistan. That's why, all this Islamic Terrorism, Non state actors, Mujahideen, Jihad etc.,

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

A troll condemning another one... how cute. You brought in Gujrat and Punjab which was fine but some one who brought a something on Pakistan and you go on a spree... wow!

Where did i do tht? you seriously need to get a medical checkup....as soon as possible...

wait a sec. LTTE issue was crystal clear. There was only diplomatic and moral support before they "took up arms". it was settled in 90s. We took a stance and stood by it till today.

and you are senior member! really, i should seriously consider stopping answering to Pakistanis. perhaps that's what is actually the Indian Policy towards Pakistan. That's why, all this Islamic Terrorism, Non state actors, Mujahideen, Jihad etc.,

..... yeah... right.. i believe you wise guy!

Point is your army is only India centric, they know, they cannot challenge USA, so was Musharraf correct.
your intel.and military knows, that Pakistan cannot stand when it comes to the solutions, since Pakistan's diplomacy has gotten weak in the past 20 years. So dialogues are useless.
Military and intel knows that infiltration in Kashmir is the only last hope to influence Kashmiris and make Kashmir an insecure place to spoil its economical value, if not controlled by Pakistan.

We dont have to do tht... we have our flags being hoisted in Sri Nagar ....IOK!

 

[Armstrong]

The scenarios you mentioned are mostly low to medium intensity counter-terrorism issues, these do not need

1. Nuclear capable missiles
2. Frequent improvement and tests
3. Nuclear bombs
4. Expensive postures against the Indian airforce

So all these are not required and thus would need to be curtailed, this is not acceptable to your Army..

All of the above on their own require exorbitant amounts of resources to execute and with an already pretty bad economy the Army is having a tough time managing that and still maintaining minimum deterrence on the Eastern-Front ! It has nothing to do with the 'acceptability or the refusal' of the armed forces for those acquisitions are made to ensure a minimum deterrence is kept in lieu of all the military acquisitions of India ! Its all nice and good to assume that peace will prevail between our two countries but its not going to happen yet and consequently for every one of your acquisition we need to come up with a proportionate response to serve as a 'minimum possible deterrent' in case hostilities to occur ! In doing this our already measly budget is practically asphyxiated with the demands of the WOT, the insurgency in Balochistan and the pursuit of 'minimum deterrence'; the Al-Nasrs, the Al-Khalids, the retraining and reequipping of the FC is hardly servicing Kiyani's pockets !

 

[Screambowl]

And ur forces are enjoying picnic there ? u have more than 80% of ur army stationed on ur borders.. what do u expect? and terrorists? its indian army tht shelled our village.. hurt a woman and a child... Pak rangers retured fire from "small arms" and ur jawan got killed.... u tried to fire arty at our posts ur gun barrel exploded..killing a few more... in short...dont fire... and dont get fired at..

Our COAS wants peace... ur army chief wanted a freakin nuclear war... decide!

do you even know how long our border is? and it is the BSF posted along the border, Army comes out only in emergency or president rule, you are forgetting that India is a democratic land.

Indian nuclear ideology obeys no first use policy, so ultimately, Pakistan would be the first to launch a nuclear tipped missile. Surgical strikes, covert operations were once said when Mumbai was under attack by 10 Pakistani Nationalists and it was an obvious reaction.

 

[seethru]

Its surely not us beheading our daughters and parading their heads in public:
http://www.google.com.pk/url?sa=t&r...xsWoDw&usg=AFQjCNH2iIBusGZYYpxoHUBSWM9ogMjO0A

So next time instead of being a lowly troll try talkin sense... which i guess u and ur likes lack!

Let's talk about that. Do you really think both of them are the same? please enlighten us. or you ll just copy paste another link of a random crime that happened in India when confronted about Taliban poisoning School girls, killing nurses etc.,

 

[Screambowl]

Where did i do tht? you seriously need to get a medical checkup....as soon as possible...



..... yeah... right.. i believe you wise guy!



We dont have to do tht... we have our flags being hoisted in Sri Nagar ....IOK!

they were not being hosted before 89. So there is an external hand in the upliftment of anti Indian thoughts in some of the workers of a particular party.

 

[Armstrong]

Point is your army is only India centric, they know, they cannot challenge USA, so was Musharraf correct.
your intel.and military knows, that Pakistan cannot stand when it comes to the solutions, since Pakistan's diplomacy has gotten weak in the past 20 years. So dialogues are useless.
Military and intel knows that infiltration in Kashmir is the only last hope to influence Kashmiris and make Kashmir an insecure place to spoil its economical value, if not controlled by Pakistan.

Indeed the Pakistan army is India centric just as the Indian army is predominantly Pakistan centric - thats what rivalries produce but there is nothing to suggest that we're suicidal enough to force a Kashmir solution now of all times !

P.S those are some fantastical deductions made upon highly subjective (and creative) premises !