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Article 35A: Biggest constitutional fraud in the history of India

Your cute little story shows how naive you are.....article 35a will be scrapped it's just the matter of when...once it happens j&k lawmakers can negotiate an economic package given to backward states...like the one given to bihar,jharkand and chattisgarh.

I agree with you that the special status has been used by separatists and Pakistan to keep Kashmir boil all the time. It is becoming hard to integrate Kashmirs especially the valley Muslims into the Indian main stream as it gives the valley Muslims a false hope that one day they will become part of Pakistan. The special status has become a curse to Kashmiris, even more so for people in Jammu and Ladhak, as it deprive them of development and peace.

Yes, the unrest could return if 35A and 370 are removed, but I am sure that will be the last unrest.
 
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so more of less ' I got the gun, so stfu liberal whore' ... lol... that wins every fcuking argument..

i have told others but here it is again..'often we discuss things to give our view on what should happen, not what will happen'.... I was dealing with 'should' bit... sorry for misunderstanding...
its not comparable to bihar, jharkhand, chattisgarh due to the way it joined the union.. any pretension not to realize(atoot ang?) is your issue not mine.
So you're a liberal whore? you're a kind that b!tch about anything with prejudice and use a fancy 'liberal' tag...?
 
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So you're a liberal whore? are you trying to imply that you can b!tch about anything with prejudice and use a fancy 'liberal' tag...?
its never too late to jump on the bandwagon... so be my guest.... oh hang on a minute... when did my reply to anant degenerate to this... ffs.. i am with disappointed myself now... bbye.
 
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its never too late to jump on the bandwagon... so be my guest.... oh hang on a minute... when did my reply to anant degenerate to this... ffs i am disappointed myself now... bbye.
You should be!! And your (pseudo) liberal bunch..
 
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@livingdead I have seen your bleeding heart liberal responses in this thread. As usual you dont care for the greater good.

Let me ask you a few questions

1 Freedom of movement under Art 19 is my fundamental right. If I want to settle in J&K shouldnt I be allowed along with millions of others who wish to do so?

2 Article 35A is in the constitution. Do you know the procedure to amend the constitution?

3 Amending the constitution requires 2/3rd majority in LS and RS + it has to be rectified by atleast half of the state legislatures. Dont Kashmiris have representation in the Indian Parliament and the State Assembly? Let their representatives vote against the constitutional amendment. Who is stopping them?

4 If a tamilian wants to settle in J&K then Art 35A affects him. Shouldnt he have the right to vote on Art 35A via his MP or MLA? You yourself said "Kashmiris should have say in this as well" If Rest of India is affected why shouldnt they get a vote?

5 You keep on saying you will negotiate with a gun. But where is a gun involved? It will be via a Constitutional Amendment following the procedure laid down by the constitution itself.

6 The liberals like to talk about morality, legality and alienation of Kashmiris Why does a Kashmiri have higher moral authority then Rest of India?

Kashmiris get the highest fund per capita from the govt. And what do they do in return? dont do any work but pelt stones

Kashmiris have been pandered for too long. Time to bring them down to other level. Let Kashmir be flooded with Biharis and UPiets and Haryanavis. The power of the militants will automatically come down.
 
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I know. :angel:

Bhai are you a member of the other place? Wanted to give you guys a good news. :-)
I dont think i can post about it here.


FYI-@Soumitra , wanted to know if you’re interested?
No,didi I'm not...but I'm dying to know what the good news is...
 
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wet dream. You can change your constitution as much as you want, demographic change in Kashmir would be considered violation of UN, illegal and unacceptable and may led to a serious crisis.
 
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wet dream. You can change your constitution as much as you want, demographic change in Kashmir would be considered violation of UN, illegal and unacceptable and may led to a serious crisis.
What UN? Stop making theories out of thin air. There is no UN ruling that bans us from doing anything with Kashmir.
 
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we cant include J&K in federal structure... removing special provision is akin to breaking promises given to then kashmiri leaders... its a betrayal...
govt of India can keep repeating atoot ang but that does not make it true..

do you ever give word to people and then refuse to do it because 'situation changed'... dont you feel dirty about your own self when you do that?
Dude, all the problems with Kashmir stem from one singular cause, the lack of integration and bonhomie with the rest of the nation that the people from Kashmir are subjected to.
A stupid promise that has caused the death of so many people has no place.

What UN? Stop making theories out of thin air. There is no UN ruling that bans us from doing anything with Kashmir.
Besides Israel shows the birdie to the UN all the time. UN is useless.
 
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What UN? Stop making theories out of thin air. There is no UN ruling that bans us from doing anything with Kashmir.

no you cant do anything with Kashmir, Kashmir is not your Tamil nadu or kerala.
 
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Can you explain to me the difference between articles 35A, 370 and 70?? I am confused by the legal technical language.

Article 35A is acting as a hindrance in complete development of J&K, affecting every sector of State’s administration. The present situation is such that there is no faculty in Engineering colleges and Medical colleges. No professors from other states want to go and teach in Jammu and Kashmir because they cannot purchase a house for themselves there, their children cannot get admission in to professional colleges and there is no government service for his children.

That is a wrong situation. Any citizen of India should be able to settle or work in Kashmir valley.

I support the resettlement of the Hindu Kashmiris back in their original land.

But overall, Kashmir is a wider debate that needs a permanent solution that must include Pakistan.

Searching google for "kashmir pandit delhi" I found this nice article[1] from where I quote :
I decided to interact with more Kashmiri Muslims to know their views on the subject.

Most of them were optimistic and cheerful about Pandits returning to the Valley. What they couldn’t figure out was the need for separate colonies for their Pandit brethren.
What happened in Kashmir is not a problem between the two communities. They had been living together for centuries. This is a political problem, and it needs a unique solution. Quite predictably, no one has been able to find that solution for 60 years. Governments have come and gone.
Diplomatic continue to be stalled, giving rise to unrest and chronic violence in the Valley. It would seem that New Delhi simply doesn’t want to resolve the situation of Kashmir. Years of conflict have widened the wedge between the Pandits and Muslims.

read the rest of the article.

There is another instance, that of the refugees, who migrated in the state of Jammu and Kashmir in 1947 from West Pakistan and residing in the state for nearly 68 years, but are still treated as second class citizens of the state. They are considered as Indian citizens but not the citizens of the J&K. They can vote in the Lok Sabha elections but cannot vote in the State assembly elections. They cannot acquire any immovable property in the State, the right to employment under the State, right to start an industry, or even purchase a motor vehicle. Imagine that you are an Indian citizen, but you cannot buy a bike or a car in Jammu & Kashmir. The ridiculous part is that even today, a person who comes from Pakistan occupied Kashmir is given all the rights as a citizen of J&K, but not these refugees who came from West Pakistan.

To scrap this special provision, the Jammu Kashmir Study Center has decided to approach the Supreme Court. The legal challenge to Article 35A could be the opening gambit for a bigger attack on Article 370. JKSC is of the view that is the root cause for violation of rights in J&K and was a constitutional amendment signed by the President without the knowledge of the Parliament, which has the sole authority to amend the constitution. It is a myth that Article 370 confers special status on the state of Jammu and Kashmir – it is at best a temporary provision. The irony is not lost in the fact that Article 35A was placed in Part 3 of the constitution that deals with Fundamental Rights and yet violates the right of citizens of India.

Not a nice situation.

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[1] https://www.dailyo.in/politics/jamm...ts-new-delhi-un-referendum/story/1/15291.html
 
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