Army magazine endorses Quaid’s vision of democratic, Islamic Pakistan

[SQ8]

False, (Warning: Views hurting religious sentiments offered, please turn away now)
Firstly, no secular person would accept the recognition of any religion when it comes to state affairs. Established laws can always be adapted to changing needs. Divine laws cannot. And why do you need the 'interpretations' of Quranic law anyway. Are humans too dumb to respond to present challenges that we need to read and re-read old albeit Holy books.
Accepting the supremacy of any religion will grant it legitimacy and state backing. It cannot be challenged anymore which greatly hinders human thought in addition to all archaic laws (no matter how modern the 'interpretation' which incidentally only came into existence because of 'modernists' who believes in no religion). Religion cannot tolerate Science because religion is always going to be against it because Science relies on fact whilst religion.....................
Secondly, do you think that in a world run by Islamic laws as you say, Islamists or you yourself would tolerate if anyone one day decided to stand up and say, 'Oh wait, all this religion stuff is just bull'. Or if somebody decided to pull a Corpenicus on some of your core beliefs. Islam or Muslims if you prefer are one of the most violent suppressors when it comes to opposing views. Christianity probably was too in the old ages but rationality and atheists took care of it. Same can't be said for you guys. I'm sorry if it hurts your religious sentiments, but thats how it is.

Today, science and consequentially human standards of living wouldn't have progressed all the way if people would have killed everyone who dared to say that Earth is over 6000 years old or that human baby is concieved when a female egg is fertilized by a sperm and all that virgin-birth is just hocus-phocus. The pope wouldn't have been able to say today that 'god isn't a magician'.

State *wall of fire* Religion.

While appreciated as an anti-religion tirade.. how does the above have ANYTHING to do with what I pointed out in my post.

 

[FaujHistorian]

While appreciated as an anti-religion tirade.. how does the above have ANYTHING to do with what I pointed out in my post.

bro see my previous post.

Keeping a modern nation state out of mosque is to protect the sanctity of the mosque.

Today lal masjid is den of terrorists not beccause mosque and Islam went to our national assembly.

It is a den of terrorists because bunch of khooni Mullahs have made this mosque as their center for politics.

Siasi Mullahn di Ashnai kolon faiz kissayn nahion paya
Kikkar tey angoor charahaya tey her gucha zakhmaya
Talib nay masjid qabazay, tey qoum nain her bacha marwaya

 

[Kaniska]

WE NEED ISLAMIC DEMOCRACY, AND NOT A DICTATORSHIP BY MULLAHS

How does Islamic Democracy is different than regular democracy?????

basically it just lays a few rules for the person who is to become head of the state, it limits his power so that he can exerise his authority INSIDE THE CIRCLE AND LAWS OF ISLAM, e.g he cannot make something that is forbidden by Islam, legal such as drinking.

Then that is not called democracy...Democracy is fulfillment of the will of the people..If the will of the people is non Islam then democracy accepts it...Democracy is not associated with any religion...

 

[Viking 63]

I hope they have finally come to their senses,(PA), as what the say or endorse is NOT what they practice !! and we all know the history of their actions and its disastrous results.

 

[Zarvan]

Let's back it up with proper sources from Quran which says STATE HAS to enforce. Put a little more thought into your reply. Try to understand what person is actually saying and your reply is totally opposite to the point you are quoting

Zina Bil Jabar solution is incomplete in Islam. hence Saudia introduced DNA system. That's what my original post meant What IF scenario. DNA is the solution to WHAT IF scenario. Hence I would say once more please pay a little more attention before replying to a person post. Synchronize your brain and finger speed

Dumb head it was always complete it was always circumstantial evidence at least bother to read Islam history before showing Jahalat

 

[Samandri]

Jinnah's Pakistan? I thought it was Allah and his Rasool's Pakistan.

 

[Zarvan]

The first caliph was elected from amongst his peers..you need to update your knowledge... However, that was the only example of a democratic practice in that area and in that time. So they did co-exist. The biggest issue is trying to have them co-exist by sticking the practices and traditions of the respective centuries they belong to. The way the Caliph was elected back in the 7th Century is not the suitable method for electing a leader in this century.

Similarly, principles and practices that were used for determining outcomes as was best possible in the 7th century have no place today. So if say 4 eyewitnesses are required for a crime it was to establish proper evidence. Today that can be done via various methods due to the advances in technology.. hence the need for the four eye witness then moves onto the need for four people or experts to testify that the evidence is indeed accurate.

The issue is not with compatibility but the inflexibility shown whence deriving it. After all, it begs that question to those inflexible people who insist that the interpretation of laws as it were in the 7th Century is okay for the 21st but have qualms about riding out to battle on a horse against tanks...

Mr 4 witnesses are required for Zina Bil Raza and it will remain the same

 

[Hyperion]

Dude, your state of mind is obvious from the choice of your avatar / handle pic. Who in his right mind puts up the photo of a condemned terrorist as his/her profile photo? Or didn't you know whose agenda that Siddiqui chick was following?

ahh yes, sood khori, you have touched a sensitive topic you see we need a Law on this too, as todays "Interest" is different from the one 1400 years ago, most of the Intrest is given by the banks, who invest it and give the Profit to you, so IN MY VIEW this can be legalized as the sood khori which was Haraam was due to the fact that it put too much pressure on the already poor person, but here the Intrest is given by the bank not by the person, you see?
in short that interest is allowed in MY VIEW in which the loss i shared as well as the profit between the two persons


like i said adding the word Islamic binds the authority so that you can make only laws as long as they dont go against the Laws of Islam

 

[Pakistani shaheens]

Jinnah's Pakistan? I thought it was Allah and his Rasool's Pakistan.

Whats the difference?
Jinnah wanted to make Pakistan an islamic country..if you dont believe me then you can read out his all speeches that he has delivered in his life time

 

[Bratva]

Dumb head it was always complete it was always circumstantial evidence at least bother to read Islam history before showing Jahalat

There, this tells a lot about your understanding of Deen and what La Ikrah fid din means to you. Not a single forking idea about how should I remain articulate and instead goes on circula rants to justify your argument.

Incase if you want to quote my post and shows your jahalat, be good and try to answer all my questions with some actual arguments like Quran, Sunnah and Ahl e Bayt practices. Yeah, Saheeh Muslim Hadith, where Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) specifically said to follow Ahl e bayt.

Jinnah's Pakistan? I thought it was Allah and his Rasool's Pakistan.

Did Allah and Rasool (SAW) liberated Pakistan from Congress stooges like Khan abdul khan ghaffar and british agents? No they helped Jinnah along the way spiritually.

 

[tarrar]

WE NEED ISLAMIC DEMOCRACY, AND NOT A DICTATORSHIP BY MULLAHS

Islamic DEMOCRACY, I see, okay.

[/QUOTE]ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Military’s publication, Hilal, has sought nation’s commitment to Quaid’s vision of democratic Pakistan where our own culture is developed and “principles of Islamic social justice” find free play.[/QUOTE]

None of this is today available in Pakistan. I don't know what culture you all talk about when it completely invaded by India & principal of Islamic social justice, do we even have one. I don't know why people live in the world of fairy tales or dream world, where Pakistan is getting destroyed by the corrupt politicians, by political terrorist wings & rented terrorists, even after knowing the truth the people reject the reality & they pretend nothing is happening.

 

[Samandri]

There, this tells a lot about your Islam understanding and what La Ikrah fid din means to you. Not a single forking idea about what you are talking about and going on rants to justify your argument.

Incase if you want to quote my post and shows your jahalat, be good and try to answer all my questions with some actual arguments like Quran, Sunnah and Ahl e Bayt practices. Yeah, Saheeh Muslim Hadith, where Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) specifically said to follow Ahl e bayt.



Did Allah and Rasool (SAW) liberated Pakistan from Congress stooges like Khan abdul khan ghaffar and british agents? No they helped Jinnah along the way spiritually.

Oh bhai jinnah himself never said that he is creating the country for himself , so why we are calling it jinnah's pakistan?. Neither islam nor democracy is jinnah's creation. The nation, musalman, also came into being when first hindu converted to islam, as per jinnah's quote

 

[SQ8]

Mr 4 witnesses are required for Zina Bil Raza and it will remain the same

No Mr. They are witnesses that could be experts to confirm from evidences as well.

 

[The Great One]

While appreciated as an anti-religion tirade.. how does the above have ANYTHING to do with what I pointed out in my post.

LOL Thats how I've been feeling since the first reply. Anyway, this is what you said.

This can be a state of Atheists, Hindus, Buddhists or those who believe in Roman gods and goddesses and their laws and beliefs.

and this

Yet, if you just replace those laws with those created by the interpretation of the Quran in accordance with the norms of the day(technology,society and so on)

and this.

suddenly.. we have a massive issue that is wholly offensive to the beliefs of "secularists" all over... do we not?

I took it that you meant to say that a society (modern society) could run with religious laws or laws influenced by religious laws, albeit those which were socially acceptable (i.e by majority), but people (secular people) had an issue with only Islam (while ignoring Hindu, Buddhists etc.).
Hence my reply. Geddit?

 

[Bratva]

Oh bhai jinnah himself never said that he is creating the country for himself , so why we are calling it jinnah's pakistan?. Neither islam nor democracy is jinnah's creation. The nation, musalman, also came into being when first hindu converted to islam, as per jinnah's quote[/QUOte[

So in your esteemed opinion, who should get the credit for creating Pakistan ?