Army magazine endorses Quaid’s vision of democratic, Islamic Pakistan

[Bratva]

No it won't. If it does then Pakistan's economy is not worth it's value in piss.

This shows your extremely limited understanding of the issue. Draw map of entire world, list trading partners of Pakistan. Then ponder upon if a single country would trade with pakistan if Pakistan implement Non-interest Banking and trading system.

i know because our constitution IS Islamic

Islam need reform, You can't control, deal or comprehend this century issues with Islamic laws only. We need laws build upon Islamic laws which deals with What IF scenarios. A great example is of Rape cases. You can't deal it with Islamic laws exclusively. We have to include other laws which precedes it, in case Islamic law fail to provide answer. Be flexible, Not rigid. This is what La Ikrah fid din means, there is no compulsion in ISLAM

Take example of Hazrat Umar (RA) era, He suspended Islamic laws of cutting hands of thief during the great famine in Madina .

 

[The Great One]

basically it just lays a few rules for the person who is to become head of the state, it limits his power so that he can exerise his authority INSIDE THE CIRCLE AND LAWS OF ISLAM, e.g he cannot make something that is forbidden by Islam, legal such as drinking.

LOL. If you want laws to ban alcohol, or to make hijab compulsory etc. then this could be done within a democracy as well, no need to add Islamic before it.
Anyway I'd rather shut up now lest I get into trouble.

 

[Jf Thunder]

LOL. If you want laws to ban alcohol, or to make hijab compulsory etc. then this could be done within a democracy as well, no need to add Islamic before it.
Anyway I'd rather shut up now lest I get into trouble.

I OPPOSE THIS, NOW DONT LABEL ME A LIBERAL.
as for your other point, yes you are correct, but the point is if the head of the state in not bound by laws he MIGHT make laws which are against Islam

This shows your extremely limited understanding of the issue. Draw map of entire world, list trading partners of Pakistan. Then ponder upon if a single country would trade with pakistan if Pakistan implement Non-interest Banking and trading system.



Islam need reform, You can't control, deal or comprehend this century issues with Islamic laws only. We need laws build upon Islamic laws which deals with What IF scenarios. A great example is of Rape cases. You can't deal it with Islamic laws oly. We have to include other laws which precede in case Islamic law fail to provide answer. Be flexible, Not rigid. This is what La Ikrah fid din means, there is no compulsion in ISLAM

Take example of Hazrat Umar (RA) era, He suspended Islamic laws of cutting hands of thief during the great famine in Madina .

agree 100%

 

[The Great One]

I OPPOSE THIS, NOW DONT LABEL ME A LIBERAL.
as for your other point, yes you are correct, but the point is if the head of the state in not bound by laws he MIGHT make laws which are against Islam

OPPOSE THIS

Shabhash mere sher.
Now, Can you please specify such scenarios and laws which you think are against Islam.

 

[ranjeet]

Didn't some people here said that Quaid wanted to see a secular Pakistan or something like that? Or has the fauj put an end to this discussion finally?

 

[Bratva]

LOL. If you want laws to ban alcohol, or to make hijab compulsory etc. then this could be done within a democracy as well, no need to add Islamic before it.
Anyway I'd rather shut up now lest I get into trouble.

Compulsion of hijab is not a state matter, It is down to the individuals to follow the law in letter and spirit. Don't confuse laws which state can enforce and laws which individuals have to apply on themselves and state can't interfere in them

 

[asad71]

What is Islamic democracy and how is it different from standard democracy?

First enlighten us with your idea of"standard democracy".

 

[The Great One]

Compulsion of hijab is not a state matter, It is down to the individuals to follow the law in letter and spirit. Don't confuse laws which state can enforce and laws which individuals have to apply on themselves and state can't interfere in them

Well, that poster obviously feels that Islam needs the institutional safeguards (stopping presidents from making un-islamic laws) and that is why I replied that. Anyway, the right to follow any religion is an individual concern not open to interference by either state or society as you correctly pointed out.

First enlighten us with your idea of"standard democracy".

The one which exists in Bangladesh since 2008
Standard democracy are where the 'church' is strictly separated from the state and the state doesn't endorse any specific religion and religious texts don't become automatic laws.

 

[asad71]

No,no! You mean Muslims and Muslim societies need reform. Islam is a revolution and a reformist movement which is ever alive and on going. I am not sure what you want to say regarding rape, which indeed is a heinous crime.

 

[Porus]

Your definition is as vague as child demanding caliphate in Pakistan. If we accept your definition at face value, Sood khori will become haram and whole Pakistani economy will broke down.

Call it interest, sood khori sounds as if an anaconda is devouring a mullah alive. I am not sure whether the true guardian of Islam, I mean the beardos, have solved the mystery and come up with the true definition of riba. The lat time I checked the umma was still not sure whether riba encompassed both interest and usury or just the latter. Who doesn't wan to borrow on interest free, but the way the modern financial system is run the interest free banking won't work. We are living in a fiat currency world in which money is created through credit, somebody goes to a bank and borrows money, banks charge interest on loan as they are taking risk and money gradually loses its value due to inflation. Why would I lend out PKR one million to somebody for one year fully knowing that these one million will have a worth of PKR 900,000 one year from now?

 

[asad71]

Well, that poster obviously feels that Islam needs the institutional safeguards (stopping presidents from making un-islamic laws) and that is why I replied that. Anyway, the right to follow any religion is an individual concern not open to interference by either state or society as you correctly pointed out.

The one which exists in Bangladesh since 2008
Standard democracy are where the 'church' is strictly separated from the state and the state doesn't endorse any specific religion and religious texts don't become automatic laws.

That's a new one for the books of political science.Now you belong to the class of Aristotle,Plato, John Adams, Locke and Hobbs!!!!

 

[The Great One]

That's a new one for the books of political science.Now you belong to the class of Aristotle,Plato, John Adams, Locke and Hobbs!!!!

Then you have not been aware of the developments in political thought for the past..........100 years I think. Koi baat nahi. Hota hai. JeI ki history book padh ne se yahi hota hai.

 

[Cheetah786]

I OPPOSE THIS, NOW DONT LABEL ME A LIBERAL.
as for your other point, yes you are correct, but the point is if the head of the state in not bound by laws he MIGHT make laws which are against Islam


agree 100%

You a liberal

 

[SQ8]

like i said adding the word Islamic binds the authority so that you can make only laws as long as they dont go against the Laws of Islam

Sorry that is clear when you use the term Islamic Democracy that laws will be from Islam and Islam only.

So all it takes to go to heaven is to add the word Islamic?
So if Mc Donalds and KFC want to survive in Pakistan.. they can become McIslamic Donalds ? or Islamic Fried Chicken?. that will ensure that regardless of what they put in there it is halal? Or that just by doing so it will be completely Islamic?

Sorry, your logic is flawed. Adding Islamic does not make anything Islamic. Nor does it ensure that somehow they are bound to have Islamic laws.

 

[rockstar08]

Army always endorse the role of Islam as religion in the history of Pakistan ....
no wonder why we still see " Allah ho Akbar " sign on their arms and Tanks , they can use such like " Change we need "