Army, IAF work through the night battling to rescue stranded people in J&K

[hkdas]

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Salute to Indian Army..n all people..who are helping there...

what?? that gilani raskal is still alive!!???

 

[Aarush]

Indian flag does not fly.. because wind moves past it...
It flies from the last breath.. of each soldier who has given his life protecting it..................

 

[sancho]

You seem to be mixing up the meaning of @Abingdonboy's post. Just as your post is also confusing.
Abingdonboy is speaking about the 'availability' of the respective aircraft, and he is quite correct about that.

No he is not, because he equates the number of used aircrafts with availability, to show that all 5 x C130 were used and therefore it must account to 100% availability. But that's plain wrong, because availability shows how of often the aircraft was available to do the tasked mission, therefor he would need the sortie numbers of the 5 x C130s and how many of them could be used and the same for AN 32s THEN he could had compared the "availability". According to his logic, of the 5 x C17 (I'm not including the 6th one, since it might not be certified by IAF for operations so far) that IAF has in total only 2 were used and therefor the availability must be 40% only, which of course isn't the real availability rate of the C17.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

what?? that gilani raskal is still alive!!???

That old Fart has one leg in the grave, now he is just waiting for the rest of his body to follow. Leave that CKD alone.

No he is not, because he equates the number of used aircrafts with availability, to show that all 5 x C130 were used and therefore it must account to 100% availability. But that's plain wrong, because availability shows how of often the aircraft was available to do the tasked mission, therefor he would need the sortie numbers of the 5 x C130s and how many of them could be used and the same for AN 32s THEN he could had compared the "availability". According to his logic, of the 5 x C17 (I'm not including the 6th one, since it might not be certified by IAF for operations so far) that IAF has in total only 2 were used and therefor the availability must be 40% only, which of course isn't the real availability rate of the C17.

Oh go on.......Do you even know what tasks were assigned to the aircraft? Unless you are sitting with the AOC-in-C, J & K.
That does not even answer the availability of the other aircraft talked about.

Now on the topic of the thread: abt. 60,000 people have been moved to safety by now. And BSNL hopes to get some part of the Network by tomorrow using SAT Terminals.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Some mobile Cell-Tower units mounted on trucks can be probably moved in to J & K. These mobile units which have telescoping towers and gen-sets on them are owned by many of the Pvt. Networks and are temporarily used in other parts of India when Networks expand but unable to arrange leases on fixed towers in time.

 

[sancho]

...A large number of those rescued hail from Bihar, U.P. and Delhi. They were evacuated from Srinagar by the Chandigarh based IL-76 squadron of the IAF.

“The 12 Wing has opened a relief camp at Chandigarh (Air Force Station) and the rescued persons are being extended medical facilities and food. With the help from Chandigarh administration, we are also arranging transportation for their onward journey by bus and rail,” he said.

He said both the squadrons of 12 Wing–48 Squadron (AN-32) and 44 Squadron (IL-76) have been conducting non-stop sorties during the past three days to provide assistance in the relief and rescue operations.

Korean couple among 310 rescued from flood-hit Srinagar - Free Press Journal

Kashmir Floods: Over 42000 rescued so far, lakhs still stranded in J&K

he armed forces and the National Disaster Response Force have rescued 42,587 persons from different regions of flood and landslide ravaged Jammu and Kashmir.

...The army has deployed 215 columns of its personnel for rescue and relief operations, in which 130 columns deployed in Srinagar region and 85 columns in Jammu region. They have distributed 7,200 blankets and 210 tents.
The army also distributed 42,000 litres of water, 600 kilograms of biscuit, 7 tonne baby food and 1000 food packets in the flood-affected areas. Additional water bottles are being airlifted from Chandigarh and Delhi.
In an endeavor to provide speedy medical aid to the affected populace, 80 medical teams of the Armed Forces Medical Services have also swung into action....

...So far 354 sorties were undertaken by the helicopters and aircraft of Indian Air Force and 459 tonnes of relief materials are dropped by the Indian Air Force. Altogether 61 aircraft and helicopters have been pressed into action.

110 Army boats and 148 NDRF's inflatable boats are actively involved in the rescue operation.

Kashmir Floods: Over 42000 rescued so far, lakhs still stranded in J&K -

J-K floods: govt deploys successful Google app to find people

Seeking to boost search and surveillance capabilities of rescue teams in flood-hit Jammu and Kashmir, a successful Uttarakhand 'Google' application is being pressed into service by the government.

The Google application called 'Person Finder' is a customized exclusive web application that allows individuals to post and search for the status of relatives or friends affected by a disaster.

NDRF Director General O P Singh told PTI that they are in talks with Google authorities and the system is expected to be operationalised by tomorrow morning.

Sources privy to the development said Google has briefed the government that its 'open source' content has a lot of data and information on the locations and inhabitants of Jammu and Kashmir, especially in the Kashmir valley.

The rescue and disaster mitigation teams, sources said, are facing a number of odds in their task like bad communication network and high water level and this satellite- based application will strengthen their efforts to reach out to more victims of the worst-ever floods tragedy in the state.

Once updated and activated, search and rescue teams can use the 'Person Finder' to locate the people living in an area and deploy men and material to evacuate them from marooned locations.

"The platform had been very successful during last year's floods and heavy rains that had wreaked havoc in Uttarakhand.

Once activated, the web and SMS-based resource will bolster rescue teams of all the agencies like NDRF and IAF immensely," a senior officer of the security establishment said.

Under this smart application offered by the crisis response division of Google, all data entered into it is available to the public and searchable and accessible by anyone.

Once initiated, search and rescue teams of the National Disaster Response Force, IAF, Army and other civil aid authorities can use the database to reach more and more people who are stranded for the last few days and need immediate succour.

The Tribune, Chandigarh, India - Latest News

Oh go on.......Do you even know what tasks were assigned to the aircraft? Unless you are sitting with the AOC-in-C, J & K.
That does not even answer the availability of the other aircraft talked about.

LOL you got his statement wrong and now I am the bad guy? The point remains, he made a wrong conclusion based on the numbers of aircrafts that were used, so there wasn't even talk about availability at all, only about which aircrafts are used and that the Russian aircrafts seems to be a good job once again.

 

[Kloitra]

For an Army rescue boat in Srinagar, one call of help came from a group of women who, it turned out, were Pakistani nationals. And when three of them came on board, the Army learnt there were 28 of them, men, women and even a 10-year old girl, Aksa Jamshed, trapped at three locations within Srinagar. In India to participate in the SAARC Golf Tournament, since cancelled, the group was taken to Badami Bagh Cantonment and arrangements were made to send them to Lahore.

Faiza Malik, 57, of Nisar Colony in Lahore Cantonment reached Srinagar last week. She was sleeping on the first floor of her hotel Saturday night when her husband told her to move to the second floor as water started rushing into their room. “By the time we reached the second floor, the first floor was completely filled with water. Water kept rushing through the windows all night. It was frightening,” Malik said after she was ferried to B Cantonment.

With no water, food, electricity, mobile network and sanitation facilities, the group, split into batches of three, spent two nights and all of Sunday, as one of the women put it, “losing hope with every passing moment”.

The grateful group says the rescue operations that followed were “unexpected”. “Normally, one thinks differently of the Indian Army. We too had lost hope but the systematic manner in which we were rescued, we praise the Indian Army,” said Tariq Malik, 62, of Lahore Cantonment.

The first question many asked after being rescued Monday morning was the status of Imran Khan-led siege in Pakistan. The little girl was, however, more concerned about what she would get to eat. “I was hungry. There was nothing to eat and it was dark everywhere,” Aksa said.

“The Army has recorded the addresses and passport numbers of all the Pakistani nationals. We have evacuated them to Nehru Park helipad from where they will be taken to the airport for movement to Delhi or their destination in Pakistan,” said Col Bridges Pandey, Col GS (IW), Headquarters 15 Corps, Srinagar.

- See more at: Among the rescued, 28 of Pakistan golf team | The Indian Express

 

[Kloitra]

Narendra Modi government asks Jammu and Kashmir government to post list of rescued people | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis

Narendra Modi government asks Jammu and Kashmir government to post list of rescued people

As families and friends struggle for information about the whereabouts of their missing kin inflood-hit Jammu and Kashmir, the Centre has asked the state government to post on its website the list of people rescued from different parts of the state.

Union Home SecretaryAnil Goswamisaid if the list of rescued people is made public, many families will heave sigh of relief on being assured that their loved ones are safe. "That is why we have asked the state government to upload the list of rescued people on its website as early as possible," he told reporters here.

Goswami said anger of some of the flood-affected people about delay in rescue team reaching them was justified but thedisasterwas "unprecedented". "It's a "huge tragedy" and the authorities were doing their best to reach out to as many people as they can", he added. "The highest authority of the land -- beginning from the Prime Minister and thehome minister-- are constantly monitoring the situation and giving directions that all steps must be taken to ensure that whatever assistance required is rendered for rescue and relief of affected people," he said.

The Home Secretary said thecentral governmentwill provide the state government whatever assistance they require.

"We are here to assist more than 100 per cent. You tell us whatever you need, we will provide you," he said.

Goswami said that apart from rescuing marooned people and providing relief to flood-affected people, authorities are giving great emphasis on restoration of power connection in the Valley, particularly in Srinagar, and telecomunication network.

"We are trying our best. When light comes, there will be cheers. People will be able to charge their mobile phones and could connect with families and friends. The moment power comes, half of the anger will go away. So, this is a matter of great urgency. A lot of emphasis is given on restoration of power supply and telephone network," he said.

The Home Secretary said work has begun to restore the Mirbazar power distribution centre which feeds the entire Kashmir valley but is now submerged under flood water.

Goswami said steps are being taken to bring electricity department employees from places like Anantnag and Pulwama, where the water level has gone down, for restoration work.

"State government officials are also ensuring that no one gets electrocuted while restoring power lines," he said.

The Home Secretary said wireless connection has been established between the Jammu and Kashmir House, located in Delhi's Prithviraj Road, and the state secretariat in Srinagar as telecommunication line is completely snapped.

"We are sending some more VSAT systems and equipments to help restore the mobile phone networks in the valley. A few towers of Aircel (about 10-12) are functioning but those are not enough," he said adding the Army has also given a few satellite phones to state authorities.

Goswami said instructions have been given to civil airlines and Indian Air Force to bring back stranded people who want to come out of Kashmir. He said the situation in the valley is better today than yesterday as water has receded in many areas and many people were evacuated to safety. However, he said, the water level is still high in Badamibagh, Shivpura, Rajbagh, Jawahar Nagar and Chandpura.

Goswami said the embankment of Jhelum were breached in several places and heavy duty pumps are being arranged to take out the water from some of the flooded areas. He said arrangements are being made for supplying food and drinking water as there is an acute shortage of both and mobile medical camps are being arranged.

Meanwhile, Cabinet Secretary Ajit Seth said the teams of National Disaster Response Force and Army were out in full strength in their efforts to rescue the marooned people. Seth said more than 215 columns of Army and a large number of NDRF units were on the job.

"The immediate priority is to rescue people and restore the communication links. Lack of communication is hampering rescue and relief works and disrupting normal life," he said.

The Cabinet Secretary said the Department of Telecommunication is trying its best to restore some of the towers quickly.

"Our effort is also to reach out to the people and provide drinking water and food packets. We are also sending medicines and teams of doctors," he said.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

LOL you got his statement wrong and now I am the bad guy? The point remains, he made a wrong conclusion based on the numbers of aircrafts that were used, so there wasn't even talk about availability at all, only about which aircrafts are used and that the Russian aircrafts seems to be a good job once again.

I ought to admire your persistent 'persistence' at least!

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Narendra Modi government asks Jammu and Kashmir government to post list of rescued people | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis

Narendra Modi government asks Jammu and Kashmir government to post list of rescued people

As families and friends struggle for information about the whereabouts of their missing kin inflood-hit Jammu and Kashmir, the Centre has asked the state government to post on its website the list of people rescued from different parts of the state.

Union Home SecretaryAnil Goswamisaid if the list of rescued people is made public, many families will heave sigh of relief on being assured that their loved ones are safe. "That is why we have asked the state government to upload the list of rescued people on its website as early as possible," he told reporters here.

Goswami said anger of some of the flood-affected people about delay in rescue team reaching them was justified but thedisasterwas "unprecedented". "It's a "huge tragedy" and the authorities were doing their best to reach out to as many people as they can", he added. "The highest authority of the land -- beginning from the Prime Minister and thehome minister-- are constantly monitoring the situation and giving directions that all steps must be taken to ensure that whatever assistance required is rendered for rescue and relief of affected people," he said.

The Home Secretary said thecentral governmentwill provide the state government whatever assistance they require.

"We are here to assist more than 100 per cent. You tell us whatever you need, we will provide you," he said.

Goswami said that apart from rescuing marooned people and providing relief to flood-affected people, authorities are giving great emphasis on restoration of power connection in the Valley, particularly in Srinagar, and telecomunication network.

"We are trying our best. When light comes, there will be cheers. People will be able to charge their mobile phones and could connect with families and friends. The moment power comes, half of the anger will go away. So, this is a matter of great urgency. A lot of emphasis is given on restoration of power supply and telephone network," he said.

The Home Secretary said work has begun to restore the Mirbazar power distribution centre which feeds the entire Kashmir valley but is now submerged under flood water.

Goswami said steps are being taken to bring electricity department employees from places like Anantnag and Pulwama, where the water level has gone down, for restoration work.

"State government officials are also ensuring that no one gets electrocuted while restoring power lines," he said.

The Home Secretary said wireless connection has been established between the Jammu and Kashmir House, located in Delhi's Prithviraj Road, and the state secretariat in Srinagar as telecommunication line is completely snapped.

"We are sending some more VSAT systems and equipments to help restore the mobile phone networks in the valley. A few towers of Aircel (about 10-12) are functioning but those are not enough," he said adding the Army has also given a few satellite phones to state authorities.

Goswami said instructions have been given to civil airlines and Indian Air Force to bring back stranded people who want to come out of Kashmir. He said the situation in the valley is better today than yesterday as water has receded in many areas and many people were evacuated to safety. However, he said, the water level is still high in Badamibagh, Shivpura, Rajbagh, Jawahar Nagar and Chandpura.

Goswami said the embankment of Jhelum were breached in several places and heavy duty pumps are being arranged to take out the water from some of the flooded areas. He said arrangements are being made for supplying food and drinking water as there is an acute shortage of both and mobile medical camps are being arranged.

Meanwhile, Cabinet Secretary Ajit Seth said the teams of National Disaster Response Force and Army were out in full strength in their efforts to rescue the marooned people. Seth said more than 215 columns of Army and a large number of NDRF units were on the job.

"The immediate priority is to rescue people and restore the communication links. Lack of communication is hampering rescue and relief works and disrupting normal life," he said.

The Cabinet Secretary said the Department of Telecommunication is trying its best to restore some of the towers quickly.

"Our effort is also to reach out to the people and provide drinking water and food packets. We are also sending medicines and teams of doctors," he said.

One serious issue has surfaced in the light of the disaster in J & K. The State Disaster Management System is dysfunctional. While all the effort and management thereof has come from the Center. This is hardly efficient. The State Govt. is the major authority on the ground and is (and should be) the "first responder" in Emergencies. This should be a big lesson for the State Govt. The Central Govt. can only be in the role of a Support System, even a major one at that. But that is it.

 

[Abingdonboy]

No he is not, because he equates the number of used aircrafts with availability, to show that all 5 x C130 were used and therefore it must account to 100% availability. But that's plain wrong, because availability shows how of often the aircraft was available to do the tasked mission, therefor he would need the sortie numbers of the 5 x C130s and how many of them could be used and the same for AN 32s THEN he could had compared the "availability". According to his logic, of the 5 x C17 (I'm not including the 6th one, since it might not be certified by IAF for operations so far) that IAF has in total only 2 were used and therefor the availability must be 40% only, which of course isn't the real availability rate of the C17.

Sir, @Capt.Popeye is interpreting what I said correctly. It's pretty simple- the fact that is has been stated officially that 5 C-130J-30s have been used by the IAF (that is their whole fleet right now) shows this fleet has a 100% availability rate at this moment in time. My point is/was that whilst you praise the Russian products (which in some cases do deserve such praise) do you really think that these Russian products can match the Western products' maintainability/availability? The issues with Russian equipment in the IAF especially high AOG rates is well documented, what I am saying is nothing ground breaking. I am just saying that credit where credit is due- 100% availability is nothing to be diminished especially not on your Special Operations air lifters.

 

[sancho]

I ought to admire your persistent 'persistence' at least!

At least something, even if you can't admit that you got it wrong.

One serious issue has surfaced in the light of the disaster in J & K. The State Disaster Management System is dysfunctional. While all the effort and management thereof has come from the Center. This is hardly efficient. The State Govt. is the major authority on the ground and is (and should be) the "first responder" in Emergencies. This should be a big lesson for the State Govt. The Central Govt. can only be in the role of a Support System, even a major one at that. But that is it.

Actually it's even a bigger mess, the State authorities hardly can act at the moment, since most of their facilities are badly effected by the floods itself. In Srinagar for example, most police or civil stations are simply submerged, which makes operations managed by the state nearly impossible.
To make it worse, the central government has failed to fill key positions in the national disaster management agencies, which makes them very ineffective either. So that's part of the problem now too and needs to be analysed after the rescue operations are done, to fix mistakes and improve things.

More on the operations of the forces:

J&K floods: Over 45,000 people rescued, lakhs still stranded

...A total of 61 IAF choppers and transport aircraft undertook 451 sorties non-stop overnight to carry men and relief material to submerged parts of the Valley where about one lakh troops were engaged in the rescue operations, Defence Spokesman Col SD Goswami told PTI in Jammu.

State-run Pawan Hans Helipoters Limited and private chopper firms have joined the massive rescue operation in the state. Air India has kept two aircraft on standby to rescue passengers from flooded area and carry relief materials...

...30 sorties of IL-76 and AN 32 have been undertaken to Srinagar overnight to carry men and relief material, boats cutters and other equipment besides huge quantity of medicines and water bottles...

J&K floods: Over 45,000 people rescued, lakhs still stranded | Zee News

J&K Floods: 711 more victims flown to city on day two

...
Two AN-32 and three IL-76 aircraft evacuated the flood victims. All the aircraft started landing by evening and the sorties continued till late into night.
The first landing took place at 5.45 pm, when two AN-32 aircraft landed with 45 flood victims. The next aircraft IL-76 landed at 6.35 pm with a total of 220 people. The second IL-76 landed at 7.15 pm with 186 flood victims. The third IL-76 aircraft with 260 people landed at 10.20 pm...

J&K Floods: 711 more victims flown to city on day two | The Indian Express

J&K floods: Over 90,000 people rescued, lakhs still stranded; Army Chief to visit Srinagar today

...The Indian Air Force has also brought in the Mi 26, the world's biggest helicopter, into flood relief operations.
Army Chief General Dalbir Singh Suhag will be visiting Srinagar on Wednesday to review the flood situation.

79 transport aircraft and helicopters of Indian Air Force and Army Aviation Corp have been pressed into service. Army has deployed 329 columns of its personnel for rescue and relief operations, in which 244 columns deployed in Srinagar region and 85 columns in Jammu region. 135 Army bauts and 148 NDRF's inflatable boats are actively involved in the rescue operation...

J&K floods: Over 90,000 people rescued, lakhs still stranded; Army Chief to visit Srinagar today - IBNLive

 

[Daedalus]

120 Sorties of Army Aviation being done/ day for Rescue work. 71 seriously ill persons airlifted

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Sir, @Capt.Popeye is interpreting what I said correctly. It's pretty simple- the fact that is has been stated officially that 5 C-130J-30s have been used by the IAF (that is their whole fleet right now) shows this fleet has a 100% availability rate at this moment in time. My point is/was that whilst you praise the Russian products (which in some cases do deserve such praise) do you really think that these Russian products can match the Western products' maintainability/availability? The issues with Russian equipment in the IAF especially high AOG rates is well documented, what I am saying is nothing ground breaking. I am just saying that credit where credit is due- 100% availability is nothing to be diminished especially not on your Special Operations air lifters.

Hi @Abingdonboy; now let me tell you what I got told by an IAF Offr (he is one of the guys who appears in the pics with the RM which were taken at the induction of the last C-17 at Hindon, not the CAS though ). He says that the new air-lifters in his command have exceeded IAF expectations in terms of both operational availability and efficiency.
Let me draw your attention to some of the pics that we see. One of them shows a white Hyster FTT loading pallets into the aircraft. So my question was: why need a Hyster when even Godrej (among others) makes FTTs in India for years.
Answer: there is an extremely well co-ordinated "material handling system" that has come with the aircraft which are so well standardised that A/C turnaround time is minimised; apart from the inbuilt modular systems within the A/C. Even pallet rollers are designed to match. Incidentally these are ideas that have come laterally to/from Civil Aviation. The East-Bloc A/C paid scant attention to such aspects.

Now this can even serve as a template for some re-innovation for the IAF wrt its legacy airlifters.
This is a "plus" apart from the other aspects that we have been discussing.

At least something, even if you can't admit that you got it wrong.

Oh, is that so? @Abingdonboy seems to have already explained his 'take' on the subject....... ;D
Not that I am keen to disturb folks in their 'wolkenkuckucksheim'.

 

[sancho]

It's pretty simple- the fact that is has been stated officially that 5 C-130J-30s have been used by the IAF (that is their whole fleet right now) shows this fleet has a 100% availability rate at this moment in time ...

...My point is/was that whilst you praise the Russian products (which in some cases do deserve such praise) do you really think that these Russian products can match the Western products' maintainability/availability?

Of course I don't think that Russian aircrafts have a better maintainability/availability than western aircrafts, but your conclusion based on numbers of aircrafts used is plain wrong as shown at the C17 example. Again the numbers used, have nothing to do with the maintainability/availability, we simply can use the C130J at the moment far better than the C17, that doesn't mean the C17 is worse to maintain or has a worse availability which also as explained has to do with how many sorties / mission the aircraft is able to do and not with how many numbers of aircrafts are used. We could use 100% of the AN 32 fleet now if you want, but the "availability" for sorties and missions would be clearly below, because we know that these aircrafts are more difficult to maintain. So mixing up numbers, maintainability/availability... is wrong and more over does not take away from the fact that the Mi17, the AN32 and the IL76 are doing excellent work at the moment and isn't that the most important point?
The lack of used C17s btw can be based on the fact that the rest are used in other missions, in or outside of India, or that the current situation simply makes them to not be the best choice for IAF (too little payload, ILs can transport more passengers).